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NL4 AJ flop TPTK + NFD. Is this standard?

jugglegeekjugglegeek
edited December 2012 in The Poker Clinic
No reads on players. Pre is a little wierd because I would normally raise bigger from UTG but I almost timed out so just clicked buttons. Calling the 3-bet is just "lol pot odds" but what about on the flop? It's NL4 so I assume I have almost no fold equity vs two opponents. Is it still a shove?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
krzysz1983 Small blind
£0.02 £0.02 £5.60
Inherkhau Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £0.03
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • J
     
jugglegeek Raise   £0.12 £0.18 £4.01
TONTOB Fold        
tarnished Call   £0.12 £0.30 £5.85
krzysz1983 Raise   £0.18 £0.48 £5.42
Inherkhau All-in   £0.03 £0.51 £0.00
jugglegeek Call   £0.08 £0.59 £3.93
tarnished Call   £0.08 £0.67 £5.77
Flop
   
  • J
  • 5
  • 4
     
krzysz1983 Bet   £0.04 £0.71 £5.38
jugglegeek Raise   £0.60 £1.31 £3.33
tarnished Call   £0.60 £1.91 £5.17
krzysz1983 Raise   £1.12 £3.03 £4.26
jugglegeek All-in   £3.33 £6.36 £0.00
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  • NOTBNOTB
    edited December 2012
    It was one of the options, but IMO, there may have been a better option.

    Your cards:
    • you had the highest pair on the board
    • you had the nut flush if another diamond dropped reasonable odds with 2 cards

    Their cards
    • tarnish is showing strength too. I think he has a middle pair. He may also have a potential flush at this stage.
    • kryzys1983 is being agressive and telling you that he has a very good hand. I suspect a big pair. Again maybe a potential flush now. 

    Your options:
    • Fold - I don't think so, not with that hand, at least not yet, even against a big pair
    • Call - get you to the next card - leaves you with some cash if it all goes wrong
    • Raise - I think kryzys1983 would have re-raised whatever and you would have ended up going all in, but you would have lost the initiative - i don't think you should have raised. 
    • All In - not a bad one, forces the others to have a serious think and tells them you have a strong hand.
    I'd have raised here I think, if I had time to do this analysis in the 10 seconds you get in the game...

    I'm interested to see what happened next now.


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  • Curt360x27Curt360x27
    edited December 2012
    Just look to GII on the flop.
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  • jugglegeekjugglegeek
    edited December 2012
    This is what happened. Obv I felt good for winning a huge pot but I felt a bit dirty about the way it happened.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    krzysz1983 Small blind
    		£0.02 £0.02 £5.60
    Inherkhau Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £0.03
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • J
    		     
    jugglegeek Raise   £0.12 £0.18 £4.01
    TONTOB Fold        
    tarnished Call   £0.12 £0.30 £5.85
    krzysz1983 Raise   £0.18 £0.48 £5.42
    Inherkhau All-in   £0.03 £0.51 £0.00
    jugglegeek Call   £0.08 £0.59 £3.93
    tarnished Call   £0.08 £0.67 £5.77
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 5
    • 4
    		     
    krzysz1983 Bet   £0.04 £0.71 £5.38
    jugglegeek Raise   £0.60 £1.31 £3.33
    tarnished Call   £0.60 £1.91 £5.17
    krzysz1983 Raise   £1.12 £3.03 £4.26
    jugglegeek All-in   £3.33 £6.36 £0.00
    tarnished Call   £3.33 £9.69 £1.84
    krzysz1983 Call   £2.77 £12.46 £1.49
    Turn
       
    • 9
    		     
    krzysz1983 Check        
    tarnished All-in   £1.84 £14.30 £0.00
    krzysz1983 All-in   £1.49 £15.79 £0.00
    tarnished Unmatched bet   £0.35 £15.44 £0.35
    krzysz1983 Show
    • K
    • K
    		     
    Inherkhau Show
    • 7
    • 6
    		     
    jugglegeek Show
    • A
    • J
    		     
    tarnished Show
    • 8
    • Q
    		     
    River
       
    • 9
    		     
    jugglegeek Win Flush to the Ace £11.52   £11.52
    krzysz1983 Win Flush to the King £2.76   £2.76
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  • rancidrancid
    edited December 2012
    flip it to win it
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  • beanehbeaneh
    edited December 2012
    "lol pot odds" 


    correct good call.



    but what about on the flop? It's NL4 so I assume I have almost no fold equity vs two opponents. Is it still a shove?


    no fold equity no, esp since one has AA or KK, but you have enough pot equity w/ tp and nfd to get it in imo.
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited December 2012
    its a shove all day long   tptk with nut draw lol im happy getting it in here 200 bb deep let alone 100
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  • rancidrancid
    edited December 2012
    In Response to Re: NL4 AJ flop TPTK + NFD. Is this standard?:
    its a shove all day long   tptk with nut draw lol im happy getting it in here 200 bb deep let alone 100
    Posted by IDONKCALLU

    Would you flip for 300bb ?

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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited December 2012
    yeah i would any ace is good and jack aswell as any diamond worst case scenario your up against a set and your about 38 per cent to win the hand
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  • samboram45samboram45
    edited December 2012
    In Response to Re: NL4 AJ flop TPTK + NFD. Is this standard?:
    yeah i would any ace is good and jack aswell as any diamond worst case scenario your up against a set and your about 38 per cent to win the hand
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    nt necesarilly villain ma hve flopped flush
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited December 2012
    Aye, all in from me jungle.
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