should i have folded this

craigcu12

i am starting to understand how to play on these tables  but wonder if i may be still over aggressive at times

Hand History #600613565 (14:38 22/12/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
a	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.88
a	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.67
	Your hole cards	Q K
b	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£6.57
craigcu12	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£3.70
a	Fold
a	Fold
b	Call		£0.16	£0.46	£6.41
Flop
		2 8 3
Geron1m0	Bet		£0.46	£0.92	£5.95
craigcu12	Raise		£0.92	£1.84	£2.78
Geron1m0	Call		£0.46	£2.30	£5.49
Turn
		10
Geron1m0	Check
craigcu12	Check
River
		8
Geron1m0	Bet		£2.30	£4.60	£3.19
craigcu12	Fold
Geron1m0	Muck
Geron1m0	Win		£2.12		£5.31
Geron1m0	Return		£2.30	£0.18	£7.61

was it ok the raise post flop or are these bets ones that i should still fold.

mj8bs

I think once they have donk led for pot on that dry flop, I just let go. Looks like youre trying to rep an overpair unfortunately Ive found too many players at NL4 who dont even consider overpairs when making decisions - as far as theyre concerned top pair is the nuts even on a 7 high flop and theyre unlikely to let go. 

jams88

Alot of players at nl4 will not think beyond their own hand so rather than thinking what you might have he is thinking i have a pair of 8s i must be winning. It is important to identify which players are thinking like this as they won't be folding to the raise, which is good when you have it but in this case you just have to let go on the flop imo Cbetting and repping is not needed as much at nl4 unless playing against regs just bet when you have it fold when you don't will work in alot of cases.

grantorino

Snap fold flop

If you are raising you should have an idea of his range for b/f, b/c and b/3b here

craigcu12

In Response to Re: should i have folded this:

Snap fold flop If you are raising you should have an idea of his range for b/f, b/c and b/3b here
Posted by grantorino

what do you mean i should know his range this is a 2p 4p table which consist of mostly fish so you hardly ever know what they will have, check my post in the brag called why we need fish and you'll see what i mean.

i think them two were right and i should have just folded because as they say a tables like this calls with anything
for instance in two hands i had KK and  did a big reraise preflop that would normally signal QQ KK or AA yet a guy insisted on still calling with his 33 and As8s then he went all in on a flop AAA with a 33 and called my shove on a river 2d10d 10h Kd Ks with As8s
so i won £7 with a AAAKK
and £7 4 K's

montymole

limp call small pairs, drawy flop, you have f all. fold. unless you have a read or history with him?

craigcu12

In Response to Re: should i have folded this:

limp call small pairs, drawy flop, you have f all. fold. unless you have a read or history with him?
Posted by montymole

if you are talking about that As8s and 33 actually it was me who had the KK the villian who had the 33 and a8 on they other two examples  described.
basically i just pointed out like them first two post said on these tables people don't think about my hand much only their own

bolly580

yes

Lambert180

In Response to Re: should i have folded this:

In Response to Re: should i have folded this : if you are talking about that As8s and 33 actually it was me who had the KK the villian who had the 33 and a8 on they other two examples  described. basically i just pointed out like them first two post said on these tables people don't think about my hand much only their own
Posted by craigcu12

Summed it up perfectly. People don't think about your hand just their own, so in this hand why raise the flop when it can only be a bluff? People will not even notice you're trying to represent a big hand and just think 'oh I have 2nd pr, I call'.