UKOPS 2 FT River Decision.w/Top Pair

offshoot

What do people think about checking the river vs betting and calling vs folding when he bets?

Villain was unfamiliar to me but seemed to play pretty well, TAG-ish,  can't remember him doing anything fishy or geting out of line particularly. I was fairly tired by this point though and wasn't paying much attention to hands i wasn't in.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
TommyD	Small blind		5000.00	5000.00	821760.14
darsum333	Big blind		10000.00	15000.00	173805.35
	Your hole cards	J 10
shawsok	Fold
offshoot	Raise		20000.00	35000.00	307009.36
villain	Call		20000.00	55000.00	301660.15
TommyD	Fold
darsum333	Fold
Flop
		2 9 3
offshoot	Bet		27500.00	82500.00	279509.36
villain	Call		27500.00	110000.00	274160.15
Turn
		10
offshoot	Bet		55000.00	165000.00	224509.36
villain	Call		55000.00	220000.00	219160.15
River
		8
offshoot	Check
villain	All-in		219160.15	439160.15	0.00
offshoot	?

mewillows

checking the river is fine imo, he either has a set or nothing. JQ can be ruled out as he would fold to a c bet surely??

I cant see the point of villain shoving with A10,K10,Q10 as he would only get called by better.  So unless you have a good read and check back to induce a shove and call, then i would blocker bet to see if they come over the top.

thoughts?

jonjo75

I agree that maybe a blocker bet would give him more info but the pot is roughly the same size as his stack so how much would you make it?  I was thinking around 40,000 but is this to small?
Tough one ,I still cant make my mind up what to do so it would prob end with a check fold.

IDONKCALLU

cant u bet fold here by doing this ya left yaself a tricky decision bet fold 6k or summit imo ?

mewillows

In Response to Re: UKOPS 2 FT River Decision.w/Top Pair:

cant u bet fold here by doing this ya left yaself a tricky decision bet fold 6k or summit imo ?
Posted by IDONKCALLU

Is that a typo seeing as the pot is 220k afer the turn.  You could bet 60k, but if they come over the top you have to fold i think as you have bet 3 streets and showed proper strength.  All be it, your river bet is just over quarter of the pot and if you were super strong would you not just empty the clip seeing as you had a pot sized bet behind?

My brain is on fire thinking, so id check fold.  I cant see them calling two streets with nothing and shoving the river.

Offshoot, please let us know the outcome as im super curious.

IDONKCALLU

i was meant to say 60 k even 

AcidMan27

I watched this hand live. Glad I'm not totally useless at this game as I'm thinking the same as Mewillows with regards to what the villain maybe holding.

I'd be check folding the river I think.

Don't like betting so small and folding the river.

jonjo75

In Response to Re: UKOPS 2 FT River Decision.w/Top Pair:

I watched this hand live. Glad I'm not totally useless at this game as I'm thinking the same as Mewillows with regards to what the villain maybe holding. I'd be check folding the river I think. Don't like betting so small and folding the river.
Posted by AcidMan27

So what happened?

AcidMan27

That's not for me to say.

I'm sure offshoot will post when he wants to.

jonjo75

In Response to Re: UKOPS 2 FT River Decision.w/Top Pair:

That's not for me to say. I'm sure offshoot will post when he wants to.
Posted by AcidMan27

Yeah fair enough.

lynx3ffect

i've never been good in tourneys for bet sizing but i feel like smaller bets are in order you not think?

like 22k flop, 25-30k turn and 30-35kk as a b/f on river? otherwise when you're only 30bb deep to start with you get to situation like that on the river where all of a sudden ur going for thin value for your tourney life or c/folding tp....

like i say, seems like a whole different game bet sizing late in tourneys to get the right mix of value betting and value cutting! i'd be interested to know what you think as its def. somethin thats very different to cash play this sorta spot...

offshoot

In Response to Re: UKOPS 2 FT River Decision.w/Top Pair:

i've never been good in tourneys for bet sizing but i feel like smaller bets are in order you not think? like 22k flop, 25-30k turn and 30-35kk as a b/f on river? otherwise when you're only 30bb deep to start with you get to situation like that on the river where all of a sudden ur going for thin value for your tourney life or c/folding tp.... like i say, seems like a whole different game bet sizing late in tourneys to get the right mix of value betting and value cutting! i'd be interested to know what you think as its def. somethin thats very different to cash play this sorta spot...
Posted by lynx3ffect

I like this idea and might implement it in future. Obviouls the fear is that people will shove over smaller cbets if they think they hae FE leaving me with tyougher decisions. I think people are generally playing pretty tight at FTs though. Will need to test it. Always better to err on the side of caution even if it means losing some value.

For this specific hand i folded river so i don't know what he had. I was just struggling to put him on something that gets to the river and then shoves which i beat. Even though im unsure if he even plays sets this way.

offshoot

In Response to Re: UKOPS 2 FT River Decision.w/Top Pair:

checking the river is fine imo, he either has a set or nothing. JQ can be ruled out as he would fold to a c bet surely?? I cant see the point of villain shoving with A10,K10,Q10 as he would only get called by better.  So unless you have a good read and check back to induce a shove and call, then i would blocker bet to see if they come over the top. thoughts?
Posted by mewillows

THe reason i didnt put in a blocker bet on the end was because i felt like the downside of having 100k fewer chips vs 100k more wasnt really worth it.

They showed the hand on tv. He had 99.

reeler

if u are tired u shud drink red bull ha ha

mewillows

In Response to Re: UKOPS 2 FT River Decision.w/Top Pair:

In Response to Re: UKOPS 2 FT River Decision.w/Top Pair : THe reason i didnt put in a blocker bet on the end was because i felt like the downside of having 100k fewer chips vs 100k more wasnt really worth it. They showed the hand on tv. He had 99.
Posted by offshoot

Yeah I thought about that after I posted. You'll very rarely get called by worse and J10 has showdown value. Check hoping for a check back or you're done with the hand.