hmm did i play this bad?

unknown_username

i put them both on flush draws, expected the pre flop raise was an attempt to blind steal from the button so i thought a call here was a good decision

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
katiebaby	Small blind		200.00	200.00	10035.00
loololollo	Big blind		400.00	600.00	23625.00
	Your hole cards	J K
twoducks	Fold
PEACEPAW	Fold
Brandnew	Raise		800.00	1400.00	4822.50
katiebaby	Call		600.00	2000.00	9435.00
loololollo	Call		400.00	2400.00	23225.00
Flop
		10 J 4
katiebaby	Bet		400.00	2800.00	9035.00
loololollo	Raise		1200.00	4000.00	22025.00
Brandnew	All-in		4822.50	8822.50	0.00
katiebaby	Call		4422.50	13245.00	4612.50
loololollo	Call		3622.50	16867.50	18402.50
Turn
		6
katiebaby	Check
loololollo	Bet		16867.50	33735.00	1535.00
katiebaby	All-in		4612.50	38347.50	0.00
loololollo	Unmatched bet		12255.00	26092.50	13790.00
katiebaby	Show	4 8
loololollo	Show	J K
Brandnew	Show	Q Q
River
		4
katiebaby	Win	Three 4s	26092.50		26092.50

bearlyther

Were not deep enough to peel here decent spot to jam pre hes playing around 22 bigs.

Why are you raising the flop with the initial raiser yet to act behind?  What range do you put both your opponants on when they both call on the flop?

reeler

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Were not deep enough to peel here decent spot to jam pre hes playing around 22 bigs. Why are you raising the flop with the initial raiser yet to act behind?  What range do you put both your opponants on when they both call on the flop?
Posted by bearlyther

im foldin in this spot. too many hands have got ya beat .not worth riskin yer stack with just top pair

TINTIN

im gonna throw this out there.

ive read all your posts here and in bbv and a common theme seems to appear in a high percentage of these hands. that being you are in the blinds OOP.

i think that says something in itself.

you really need to adjust how you play hands OOP as most just seem to be you bleed chips away

unknown_username

In Response to Re: hmm did i play this bad?:

im gonna throw this out there. ive read all your posts here and in bbv and a common theme seems to appear in a high percentage of these hands. that being you are in the blinds OOP. i think that says something in itself. you really need to adjust how you play hands OOP as most just seem to be you bleed chips away
Posted by TINTIN

whats bbv and why am i bleeding away chips here ?

TINTIN

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In Response to Re: hmm did i play this bad? : whats bbv and why am i bleeding away chips here ?
Posted by loololollo

bbv= brags beats n varience

a lot of the hands you post are marginal hands where its always best to be in position to play them. by calling bets with these marginals oop you are always gonna end up in trouble or guessing what opponent is gonna do, thus bleeding chips. play them in position then you have more info to go on before you decide your play

TINTIN

this hand you have no idea what original raiser hand strenght is when you raise the donk lead, you got yourself into trouble where you could have got away cheapish

Lambert180

bbv is the Beats, Brags, Variance section where you post a lot.

You're bleeding chips by calling out of the blinds (big and small blind) with mediocre hands.

A massive majority of the time, you're gonna check/fold the flop (and bleed some chips)

Some of the time you get all  your chips in and often find yourself dominated (bleed lots of chips)

Occasionally you'll smack the flop and probably not win that big a pot most of the time.

You have no idea where you are in the hand at all. The guy who has raised could have anything from 22 - AA, 67,78, 89, 9T, TJ, QJ, QK, AK, AQ, AJ, AT blah blah, he could have a million hands cos he opened (potentially blind stealing as you said), so you have no idea what he has, you raise the flop, get shoved on AND someone still wants to call a shove, you aint gonna be ahead here.

percival09

peeling is fine here

mj8bs

I'm not a fan of the peel. Not really getting the best stack odds to call. It's either a jam pre ir fold for me, and of the two, based on the initial raisers stack, I fold. As played on the flop... Err I prob flat the donk lead to see what the initial raiser does I guess although I prob try not to get myself into that sort of mess. 

Glen17

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I'm not a fan of the peel. Not really getting the best stack odds to call. It's either a jam pre ir fold for me, and of the two, based on the initial raisers stack, I fold. As played on the flop... Err I prob flat the donk lead to see what the initial raiser does I guess although I prob try not to get myself into that sort of mess. 
Posted by mj8bs

thats how big stacks become dominant doing a min raise in position against lower stacks if you keep folding o that sort of play your table image is bad and you get no respect at the table, when you get a real hand everyone else will instant fold

Lambert180

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In Response to Re: hmm did i play this bad? : thats how big stacks become dominant doing a min raise in position against lower stacks if you keep folding o that sort of play your table image is bad and you get no respect at the table, when you get a real hand everyone else will instant fold
Posted by Glen17

And that's why you can start 3bet jamming light on them if they are taking liberties with the button, but it's not an excuse to flat call with mediocre hands imo.