am i right to shove this?

unknown_username

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
loololollo	Small blind		500.00	500.00	20730.00
therodge	Big blind		1000.00	1500.00	22689.76
	Your hole cards	8 8
YorkshRoy	Fold
010709	Fold
loololollo	Raise		1500.00	3000.00	19230.00
therodge	Raise		3000.00	6000.00	19689.76
loololollo	Call		2000.00	8000.00	17230.00
Flop
		9 6 7
loololollo	All-in		17230.00	25230.00	0.00
therodge	Call		17230.00	42460.00	2459.76
loololollo	Show	8 8
therodge	Show	A A
Turn
		A
River
		J
therodge	Win	Three Aces	42460.00		44919.76

Lambert180

No point shoving the flop tbh, what hands better than yours will fold? If they have a set or an overpair they call and you get stacked, if they have a freak underpair you make it easy for them to fold. If they have 2 overs you make them fold when better smaller might give them the opportunity to either call and hope to hit or do something mad like jam.

The way you played it, all better hands call, all worse hands fold = bad/

unknown_username

In Response to Re: am i right to shove this?:

No point shoving the flop tbh, what hands better than yours will fold? If they have a set or an overpair they call and you get stacked, if they have a freak underpair you make it easy for them to fold. If they have 2 overs you make them fold when better smaller might give them the opportunity to either call and hope to hit or do something mad like jam. The way you played it, all better hands call, all worse hands fold = bad/
Posted by Lambert180

might of got a call from ak or something and didnt mind him folding tbh i needed the chips

Lambert180

The only way you get called by AK is if...

1) they're bad players

2) They have AK of clubs in which case, I don't really want to get my money in.

Jeronimo7

As Lambert said - The way you played it, all better hands call, all worse hands fold = bad.

Some here may disagree but i think the only way your getting paid off is by AK or a flush draw. If they on a flush draw they probobly aint folding and do you really want that race for your tournie life? AK may call you there because the shove looks a little bluffy, your shoving for twice the pot, the other player is always gonna wonder why. However the player calling there with AK would have to be a bit of a bingo player.

craigcu12

In Response to Re: am i right to shove this?:

say i 3 bet and he calls instead of shoving, hes defo going o shove me on the turn anyway and ive got like 1/2 my stack in so i cant fold really
Posted by loololollo

but their is a differance shoving on the flop your still waiting for an A so any set or two pair is still ahead the only hands you beating is a flush draw and 88. and could still loose them on the turn or river to a straight or flush.
so on the flop i would have did a pot size bet at best and wait until you saw what the turn card was and with it being an A do a 10K chips again and if he shoves you call.

unknown_username

well the pot is 8K and i have 17K chips left, so what should i do? half pot bet / pot sized bet is really commited so if he shoves it i've got to fold? Also i really don't mind in this situation if he folds, i make +18% roughly to my chip stack

Lambert180

Dont bet!!

The villian is the preflop raiser, let him do his c-bet, then you can shove over that.

If he doesn't c-bet, then you have a free chance to improve and if he hasn't c-bet, I'd say there's a VERY good chance you have the best hand.

Then you can re-assess on the turn, obviously if the turn is an A, it's a pretty terrible card for us cos his range consists mostly of bigger pairs than us and Ax hands (judging by his 3bet pre)