why do these fold as soon as i raise?

craigcu12

someone said in that last post i did, that time and time again i should be betting bigger.
why then is it that when i do large here they simply fold even if i they already made a bet

whitehea04	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.67
shabaz1969	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£6.09
	Your hole cards	K 8
craigcu12	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£6.11
MRHUD	Fold
annhell	Fold
whitehea04	Call		£0.02	£0.12	£3.65
shabaz1969	Check
Flop
		Q K 4
whitehea04	Check
shabaz1969	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£0.09	£0.21	£6.02
whitehea04	Call		£0.09	£0.30	£3.56
shabaz1969	Fold
Turn
		Q
whitehea04	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£0.23	£0.53	£5.79
whitehea04	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		£0.27		£6.06
craigcu12	Return		£0.23	£0.03	£6.29

ok he might think i' holding a queen bur doe he know that

why does this guy bet 4p then fold just because i raise

texstorm	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.18
p1	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.16
craigcu12	Ante		£0.02	£0.08	£3.98
	Your hole cards	Q K
devonfish5	Fold
MAZZ1953	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£0.12	£0.20	£3.86
Ruina	Fold
texstorm	Fold
p1	Call		£0.08	£0.28	£3.08
Flop
		7 6 10
p1	Check
craigcu12	Check
Turn
		J
p1	Bet		£0.04	£0.32	£3.04
craigcu12	Raise		£0.20	£0.52	£3.66
p1	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		£0.33		£3.99
craigcu12	Return		£0.16	£0.03	£4.15

step7

All the min betting at NL4 is still a mystery to me. All I can think is he may consider it a "probe" or blocking bet (which rarely work - so why do it??) or is showing indecison with a weak made hand here. Something I've seen regularly in these spots is a reraise generally gets called, so even though it's showing weakness don't think you can bomb the pot and steal! They're calling anyway so smash them with a value bet if you reckon you're ahead and just call everything else - at 8-1 river it's worth even calling hands you feel are well behind. Occasionally it's a noob trap but that shouldn't deter you from making a value reraise - just note them up if they've played silly b*ggers.

The_Don90

why are we limping K8s UTG?

and y are we semi bluffing at NL4?

craigcu12

In Response to Re: why do these fold as soon as i raise?:

why are we limping K8s UTG? and y are we semi bluffing at NL4?
Posted by The_Don90

the reason i just limped with that K8s was because it was the worst position and i did nearly fold it but i most certainly didn't feel like raising as any A would right away have sent alarms knowing that these villian love an A in their hand
as for the semi bluff well do i really want to just do a call then  shove if that A or 9 comes out when a straight is easier to spot. i am wanting to get my pot done already and to help try hiding my straight

step7

Yeah +1 Don's comments.

K8s looks pretty but out of position bin it everytime - I'd even think twice from the button unless I know the blinds are nitty.

Semi bluffing/driving weak draws at NL4 is just burning money - especially at the turn - ppl don't fold enough. Don't worry that you haven't built a pot if the Ace comes on the river, your straight is hidden and an over pot bet will get called often enough.

The_Don90

i agree step. Ive had hard times at these levels getting invovled with pretty hands from the button id say K8 is still a fold on the button now. Although we can open our range dependant on blinds. 

But we definatley dont limp it, open with a raise. 

As for the semi bluff there really is no need. People look at their cards at NL4 if they have a pair normally theyll call. No need to worry about them thinking, oh KQ got a straight because honestly that doesnt matter