easy fold?

waller02

I'm not playing well atm.....

This is from a £2k BH. Villain had been quite active, previously overbet shoving the flop with a massive stack, donk bet/folding on occasions too.

Is this a fold? I had been getting owned pretty much and I guess my image at the table would be quite weak to be honest.....one of those games where I raise, miss the flop, c-bet and get raised etc....

I finally get a piece of the board and get shoved on........could be a draw, could be nothing and they are trying to push me off, could be beat. I only have 15bb if I fold, should this be taken into account when making my decision.

All advice welcome

x	Small blind		75.00	75.00	8200.00
1-on-u	Big blind		150.00	225.00	1467.50
	Your hole cards	K J
ZAMBEZI	Fold
TommyD	Fold
waller02	Raise		375.00	600.00	2935.00
LUTONTOWN	Fold
x	Call		300.00	900.00	7900.00
1-on-u	Fold
Flop
		K 5 2
x	Check
waller02	Bet		600.00	1500.00	2335.00
x	All-in		7900.00	9400.00	0.00
waller02	?

LARSON7

It's a tough one, with such a massive overbet i'm guessing he doesn't want a call and you are ahead.

PuppetJack

If you raise up pre & then hit the flop smack in the face, then It's a real tough one.

I think I agree with Larson, - ~ My guess is he has a middle pair or maybe a King also & he's afraid of the clubs.

If he had A-K then I don't think he's going to shove 7900 into a pot of 1500 unless he's an absolute turnip.

I say you have to put your fist in your mouth, call & watch as he spikes something ridiculous on the river.

- you just know he will.

what did you do? I'm guessing you lost, hence the ask for advice?

DOHHHHHHH

Call, he almost never has AK or AA, sometimes will show KQ, has worse Kings most of the time, sets and draws occasionally. 

percival09

you're beating a lot of K's and you're ahead of fd's. With the effective stack being ~20bb you can't get away from this

unknown_username

he might have a set and was hoping since you raised pre youll snap call with k/a/q/j when he shoves it

rancid

oppo can have anything if bad

btm line is you can't fold because you beat so much of the range, only hand I'd be worried about is an overplayed KQ

agboy

i think i call, he probably become to attached to his sb pre flop, then caught a bit of the flop and thinks he can shove u off the hand, as u say u have done a fair bit of bet folding in the game 

percival09

villain would hardly be overplaying KQ. in fact if he has KQ he's played it quite well imo. by shoving otf he reps a lot of draws and so villain will be put to a more difficult decision with weaker K's and even lower pairs.

obv he might make a lot of random A high fold or w/e, but he prob wouldn't get any more out of them by flatting. 

also if villain decided to raise ott instead of otf it generally would look stronger, and if villain did flat and a flush came ott then hero wouldn't like it anymore

bearlyther

 Have to call here we crush his range so much

waller02

I'm glad the general opinion is to call.

It's not good when you are playing bad and not running great either. I start to question every decision I make, folding when I shouldn't, not folding when I should etc..

Yeah I called and lost (set of 5's) but my thinking was that he is shoving with so many hands I beat....pleased to see that these thoughts were correct, there is hope for me yet lol

rancid

In Response to Re: easy fold?:

villain would hardly be overplaying KQ. in fact if he has KQ he's played it quite well imo. by shoving otf he reps a lot of draws and so villain will be put to a more difficult decision with weaker K's and even lower pairs. obv he might make a lot of random A high fold or w/e, but he prob wouldn't get any more out of them by flatting.  also if villain decided to raise ott instead of otf it generally would look stronger, and if villain did flat and a flush came ott then hero wouldn't like it anymore
Posted by percival09

That is debatable, we can never know if oppo is thinking this and shoving KQ because it looks weaker
Can we debate if oppo shoving set is a calculated play or just a shove because they fear the FD or just because they wet their pants. Let's make my hand look like a semi bluff - because we have more of a chance of getting folds
Sometimes it just doesn't stack up for me.... could just be that oppo thought hero is never folding so yeah..bingo

who really knows the truth

do we just say we are way ahead or way behind and call )

Lambert180

It's gotta be a call for me given the stacks and pot size. Not even a sigh call tbh because I think we beat loads of his range.

Batkin88

You have to call, due to your stack size and his he can be doing this very wide. Snap it off, if he holds AK KQ ul.
Putting villain on a set here and folded is not going to work out well in the long run