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Easy fold, right?

WilhelmWilhelm
edited December 2009 in Hold'em Poker Strategy
Bearing in mind this was the first hand I palyed in a regular DYM, this is an easy fold, right?  Just checking...
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
RayKar Small blind   10.00 10.00 1970.00
Wilhelm Big blind   20.00 30.00 1980.00
  Your hole cards
  • 4
  • 6
     
JOWY007 Fold        
TOMMY189 Fold        
tich47 Call   20.00 50.00 2320.00
SCUD553 Call   20.00 70.00 1660.00
RayKar Call   10.00 80.00 1960.00
Wilhelm Check        
Flop
   
  • Q
  • 4
  • 6
     
RayKar Bet   60.00 140.00 1900.00
Wilhelm Raise   160.00 300.00 1820.00
tich47 Raise   260.00 560.00 2060.00
SCUD553 Fold        
RayKar Fold        
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  • BADBOY985BADBOY985
    edited December 2009
    NO I WOULD SHOVE  DONT KNOW WHY REALY BUT I JUST WOULD THINK HES GOT Q RAG 
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  • silentbobsilentbob
    edited December 2009
    Not for me. You've hit 2 pair on the flop and I think it's fairly safe to assume he has a queen. I'm re-reaising here to maybe ~550/600. I'm pretty certain you're ahead here.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
    edited December 2009
    All in jam mate, he could easily have AQ, pretty unlikely to have he has bigger 2 pair or trips.
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  • phil12ukphil12uk
    edited December 2009

    I prob would have called here as villain more than likely has Q + good kicker. However, as u have stated, its early in a DYM and u have plenty of time / play left to still cash.

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  • pr1nnyraidpr1nnyraid
    edited December 2009
    your ahead of most of his range, Qx, diamond diamond, 6-8, basically str8 and flush draws.. i wud not pass for the extra 100. At least see the turn and see how it affects the board texture...
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  • WilhelmWilhelm
    edited December 2009
    How can I be sure I'm ahead of most of his range when I have no information about him about from the little I have to go on in this hand.  If I'm in his position holding pocket Qs and I've seen me make a really strong raise, I could easily make this min raise to induce a shove.  If I call here I am almost certainly facing another bet on the turn and river.  Aren't I better off folding here and leaving myslef with 91 big blinds?
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  • webby234webby234
    edited December 2009
    fold is the last thing you should do here, call 100 into a 560 pot with 2 pair? this is a no brainer imo, 1st hand i would prob call and if it comes a blank card, then your in decent shape, cant just assume the worst and think hes got qq just because he has re raised you, with his flat call of 20 i am thinking hes got kq or aq. i would never have folded for 100 in that situation.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited December 2009
    In Response to Re: Easy fold, right?:
    Not for me. You've hit 2 pair on the flop and I think it's fairly safe to assume he has a queen. I'm re-reaising here to maybe ~550/600. I'm pretty certain you're ahead here.
    Posted by silentbob
    You beat soooo much of his range, re-raise/shove and get it in as quick as u can.

    I'm assuming by your attitude that he had a set of queens or a better 2 pair, maybe a queen+FD and hit it.

    am i close? :)
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  • WilhelmWilhelm
    edited December 2009
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 4
    • 6
    		     
    RayKar Bet   60.00 140.00 1900.00
    Wilhelm Raise   160.00 300.00 1820.00
    tich47 Raise   260.00 560.00 2060.00
    SCUD553 Fold        
    RayKar Fold        
    Wilhelm All-in   1820.00 2380.00 0.00
    tich47 Call   1720.00 4100.00 340.00
    Wilhelm Show
    • 4
    • 6
    		     
    tich47 Show
    • Q
    • 6
    		     
    Turn
       
    • J
    		     
    River
       
    • 8
    		     
    tich47 Win Two Pairs, Queens and 6s 4100.00   4440.00
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  • WilhelmWilhelm
    edited December 2009
    The more I think about this hand, the more I think I should play like Tikay and just doze off at the beginning...
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  • LadyFingrsLadyFingrs
    edited December 2009
    shoveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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  • labrat64labrat64
    edited December 2009
    THe result shows you lost, but odds wise you did the right thing shoving Wil. Just got unlucky there mate.
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  • scrumdownscrumdown
    edited December 2009
    i would shove
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  • HOG60HOG60
    edited December 2009
    I think there's an argument for both.
    Flopping a low bottom 2 pair has cost me plenty times.
    If you've been raised, the villain obviously has a strong hand and even if it is only top pair, there's the danger of at least one of your pair being counterfeited or the flush being completed.
    Rather than shove, I probably would have called and reassessed after the turn/river.

    ........there again, DYM's can often be a lottery if you haven't built up a good stack by the time the blinds rise up.
    No problems with either play - some you win, some you lose!!


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  • Hogg321Hogg321
    edited December 2009
    very tough call for me, in the heat of the moment i probably shove but if i sit and think, he has at least AQ or better to be shoving in a DYM, and you've only got the very next best hand right after that.

    If i had a big timer bar for a minute i probably fold, but i think heat of the monent majority (inc me) shove
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