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taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

edited December 2011 in Poker Chat
GL mate, start with 2-4 tabling imo buy in full too

you can do it just dont get fancy play syndrome and try bluffing you should beat it in no time!
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  • edited October 2011
    wasnt going to do this but need all the encouragement i can to take on NL4 and i think writing about it helps encousrage myself.

    So therefore ive decided to do this again.



    Starting BR: £32.34

    No targets as such keeping this as small targets, plan to get to £50 then £80 then £100 then work up from there. I think by seeing small targets ill be able to encourage myself a little better again as targets will often seem closer.
  • edited August 2011
    I don't wanna rain on your parade so early on in your diary lol but personally I don't know if setting goals like that is such a good idea.

    I've done it myself before and sometimes (obviously only if you're not completely disciplined) it can lead to chasing that money to meet your target. You don't want a situation where you end up thinking, "if I just call that river bet and win, that'll be me £10 up for today" if it's not the right decision, because inevitably you'll end up down.

    Just make the right decisions, keep doing it consistently and you'll win loads at 4NL but I wouldn't give yourself time limited targets.

    Also starting with only 8 BIs could be a bit risky.
  • edited August 2011

    Day 1

    Decided to start tomorrow instead.

    Day 2

    4 tabled for an hour, lost 17 flips but broke even.

    Day 3

    Logged on to sky but then heard about a freeroll sat into the Icelandic WSOP in Rekjavic so played that instead. Lost a flip on the bubble, and felt too tilted to play nl4 after.

    Day 4

    BT cut me off, forgot the bill again!

    Day 18

    Back refreshed, been working at my game whilst away. Logged on to sky but nl4 was full of regs, so decided to give it a miss. 

    Will start again tomorrow.

    Day 19

    Finally got a decent session in and played well. Made 2 buy ins playing solid ABC. Really feel like I'm starting to crack it.

    One guy got 100xbb in pre 4 different times with pocket 2's! I had an overpair every time and held all 4 times! This level is easy I dunno what all the fuss was about! lol

    Day 20

    Had a shocking session, losing every 60/40 and getting coolered, lost 4 buy ins. 

    The pocket 2's guy was back again and got it in pre twice and held against my AK. I mean SERRIOUSLY, how can he not fold???

    How can this level be beaten it's impossible, they just wont fold !!!!!


    Day 21

    Decided to treat myself to a primo sat. Then another 1. Done most of my roll before finally qualifying.

    Bust to a 1 outer on the bubble, sooooo sick. Really feel I can compete in these fields though.

    Only 2 buy ins left now but I can recover.

    Day 22

    Having a day off to recover from yesterdays primo tilt. Will start again tomorrow.

    Attempted the record for most hands posted in the poker clinic in a day. Feel the feedback will really help me recover.

    Day 23

    Lost a buy in first hand of session and logged off. How can he call ffs????

    Day 24

    BT cut me off again, the B*****s!!!

    Day 31

    Back with my last buy in, I can do this!!!

    F this right off. I open the button with AK, bb calls, flop is 10 high and he shoves into me. I fold, and stand.

    I'm taking my 2 quid roll back over to grind tournys on pokerstars.

    Blandie can you close this thread for me plz!

    ----------------------------------------------

    Until next time Sky Poker, I have been THE don! ;)




  • edited August 2011
    OMG best post of ALL time !
  • edited August 2011
    ^^^ LOLZ thats awesome^^
  • edited August 2011
    Hi JJ

    I suggest you edit your post before the mods do :)
  • edited August 2011

    cracking post Dohhhhhh, lol!

  • edited August 2011
    PMSL lol lol lol

    P.S. BT bill paid until octoberr so no worries with that excuse.

    P.S.S hungover will start tomorrow ;)
  • edited August 2011

    Doh, if Carlsberg made forum posts... 8- />

    Don - I'm not a cash player but I've messed around on nl4 - nl30 in the past and I would take heed of what Lambert has posted.

    Why are you starting on such an arbitrary roll amount? If you enter into something in a slapdash way, your results will be the same (I've been guilty of this in the past many times so I'm speaking from experience). 

    Just deposit a ton and make a proper go at this. Stay disciplined, make a concerted effort and you can prove Doh wrong.

    Good luck.
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    Hi JJ I suggest you edit your post before the mods do :)
    Posted by acebarry10
    Im cool with this post mods, as its aimed at me i dont see any problems.

    :D.
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    Doh, if Carlsberg made forum posts... 8- /> Don - I'm not a cash player but I've messed around on nl4 - nl30 in the past and I would take heed of what Lambert has posted. Why are you starting on such an arbitrary roll amount? If you enter into something in a slapdash way, your results will be the same (I've been guilty of this in the past many times so I'm speaking from experience).  Just deposit a ton and make a proper go at this. Stay disciplined, make a concerted effort and you can prove Doh wrong. Good luck.
    Posted by JingleMa
    This is what I'm hoping will happen!!

    I've been talking to Don about poker on and off the forum now for like a year!!! I've tried everything else to try and help him!!! lol

    MON THE DON !!!!!!


  • edited August 2011
    Haha , pmsl dohh ure a genius ;)

    Gl to ya don m8y hope it works for ya BUT i would defo NOT start playin cash til ya have 15 buy-ins and im pretty sure ya could easily spin up ure £32 to £60 playin sng's xxx
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    Haha , pmsl dohh ure a genius ;) Gl to ya don m8y hope it works for ya BUT i would defo NOT start playin cash til ya have 15 buy-ins and im pretty sure ya could easily spin up ure £32 to £60 playin sng's xxx
    Posted by debdobs_67
    dyms tilt me serious bad, never knew why Im going to be trying a little something with the 4 tabling NL4 feeling pretty comfortable and looking at the basic aspects of my game that i really am not good at.

    As Dohhhh says we've been talking on and off the forum for some time and the main goal of that was me being sick of tourny variance and wanting to learn cash. However its meant finding more weaknesses in my game than i could count.

    I think the benifits are starting to show, although its taken longer than both i and JJ would have liked. Tbh i think my tilt, tilts him.
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : This is what I'm hoping will happen!! I've been talking to Don about poker on and off the forum now for like a year!!! I've tried everything else to try and help him!!! lol MON THE DON !!!!!!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Yep, I know you've got his back - v.funny post though!
  • edited August 2011
    On the starting BR I think £32 is perfectly fine, when I started back a few months ago I began with exactly £45.50 as this is what I'd built up on a previous time of playing cash before I got bored and went back to deepies.

    At first it's hard as when you lose a BI in a standard hand it hurts quite a lot but once you get up to like £80+ they have hardly any effect on your mindset at all.

    I could type my range down here again but I'm sure you've seen it a few times lol, it is ultra tight and will mean you play VERY few hands if any but it also 100% works ;).

    Massive good luck mate, you certainly have a lot of drive to succeed so can't see how you can fail. :)
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : dyms tilt me serious bad, never knew why Im going to be trying a little something with the 4 tabling NL4 feeling pretty comfortable and looking at the basic aspects of my game that i really am not good at. As Dohhhh says we've been talking on and off the forum for some time and the main goal of that was me being sick of tourny variance and wanting to learn cash. However its meant finding more weaknesses in my game than i could count. I think the benifits are starting to show, although its taken longer than both i and JJ would have liked. Tbh i think my tilt, tilts him.
    Posted by The_Don90
    It might just be me but this seems crazy to me. You're still learning and haven't mastered 4NL yet and you're playing 4 tables when your BR is only 8 BIs deep. So everytime you sit down, you have 50% of your BR on the table. Even if you had mastered 4NL and were completely crushing it, in that situation, you just need 1 bad day and your BR is gone!
  • edited August 2011
    Good luck Don.

    Stay disciplined and you will crack it.
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    On the starting BR I think £32 is perfectly fine, when I started back a few months ago I began with exactly £45.50 as this is what I'd built up on a previous time of playing cash before I got bored and went back to deepies. At first it's hard as when you lose a BI in a standard hand it hurts quite a lot but once you get up to like £80+ they have hardly any effect on your mindset at all. I could type my range down here again but I'm sure you've seen it a few times lol, it is ultra tight and will mean you play VERY few hands if any but it also 100% works ;). Massive good luck mate, you certainly have a lot of drive to succeed so can't see how you can fail. :)
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    This!

    And if it's what you've got to work with, then you don't really have alot of choice.

    Although I'm sure a few weeks back when you decided to have a go at this again, you actually had closer to 15xbuy ins, which has been whittled away at by mtts, spt sats etc, things you really can't afford to mess about with until you get the momentum going in the right direction.

    It's all old ground, you know what to do.

    DOOOO ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : It might just be me but this seems crazy to me. You're still learning and haven't mastered 4NL yet and you're playing 4 tables when your BR is only 8 BIs deep. So everytime you sit down, you have 50% of your BR on the table. Even if you had mastered 4NL and were completely crushing it, in that situation, you just need 1 bad day and your BR is gone!
    Posted by Lambert180
    more tables = less variance, he should be fine as long as he quits if gets tilted. he is not a newbie has been playing for ages so should easily crush nl4. £32 is enough IMO 2-4 tabling it is fine go go go
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : more tables = less variance, he should be fine as long as he quits if gets tilted. he is not a newbie has been playing for ages so should easily crush nl4. £32 is enough IMO 2-4 tabling it is fine go go go
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    lol, more rubs....
  • edited August 2011
    Also Don a good target I set myself is not to be a certain amount up (as no matter how good you play you can still get beats) intsead aim for an amount of hands or amount of time (I find hands easier as time is hard to calculate with going to toilet etc) then when you hit that target stand up and go.

    This helps discipline incase you wanna just keep playing forever if you're getting nasty beats.
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Im cool with this post mods, as its aimed at me i dont see any problems. :D.
    Posted by The_Don90
    Hi Don

    It is not the post in itself, but, using asterisks to get around the profanity filter :)
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Hi Don It is not the post in itself, but, using asterisks to get around the profanity filter :)
    Posted by acebarry10
    lol ridic how strict this place is with swearing, we all have to be 18 ;)
  • edited August 2011
    Good Idea with this Don all the best mate I agree with Lambert and don't set BR goals. I can be known to chase money not to make goals but to make up losses and it never works you just end up losing more by trying to chase, just look to play every hand the right way and the rest will sort itself out.
  • edited August 2011
    I've got a question about what you said above Dude. I was teaching my girlfriend (Skyalias - Llamas) how to beat 4NL last night, because she usually plays SnGs and MTTs. I usually do exactly what you said above about setting targets about hands/time rather than profit.

    So I was teaching her on her account last night and I said we'd just play 1 table for 1 hour just to introduce her, tell her about the opening range, bet sizing etc.

    Something happened that has never happened to me ever when playing 1 table. We played for 1 hour and literally didn't get one hand that was worth of my standard 20p raise. So essentially we had just folded for 1 hour so our £4 was down to about £3.70 ish just through blinds. Now if this was the case and you said you'd play for 1 hour, would you just walk away with your 30p loss or would you carry on for a bit (it's not like I/we were tilted or anything) so you can actually play some poker?

    In the end, we stuck around for another half hour, came across AK off, got up to £5.50 and called it a night (it was about 1am at this point). I was just wondering if you think this is a discipline problem or not because it's not like I carried on playing because I'd lost loads and was chasing my losses??
  • edited August 2011
    Well i still reckon 8 buy-ins aint enough , it cant be , but that aside i play far far more looser than dudeskin no question bout that BUT still got through nl4 with ease , playin same level as dude now nl10 and aint altered my game one bit and still doin well , also i dont play more than 2 tables cos i cannot see how ya can play poker properly if ya cant follow ALL of what goes on at a table xxx
  • edited August 2011
    Well for me I don't really like playing cash for more than 3 hours at a time (as I start to drift off lol), obviously in MTT's like tonight's DTD you don't have a choice but MTT's are SO much easier as late on it's just shove fold therefore no brain work lol

    In your case if that happned to me I'd stand up and say a decent break even session make a note on Excel obvz then go do summit else but if you've got time to spare of course you can keep going.
  • edited August 2011
    Yeah I've got myself a lovely Excel spreadsheet to keep track of profit/loss, number of hands played etc.

    I'm in the DTD again tonight so I'll see you there. Hopefully I'll see you on the final table again.
  • edited August 2011
    Yh but tbh I'd take 1 win over 3 cashes again lol

    Good luck, TPT ftw.
  • edited August 2011


       Quality Post JJ deserves to be in Hall of Fame & gl on your goal Don
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