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avoid the fancy play and you are good to go
Good luck!
IMO I think start with 2 tables given your bankroll.
As you know the variances on nl4 can be huge. I've been on Doh's day 20 for a week now (down 8BI's) so am having a break before I lose all my previous gains. Not much of a variance but I am doing very strict BRM as i don't want to deposit again. You'll have to be disciplined.
I'm going for a £ amount before I move up. I almost got there before the last week kicked in. Was within a BI but I don't believe it affected my play as mentioned above. I just lost the flips I had been winning and came up against those who didn't let go and hit. I think target setting is fine as long as you are not pushing for it. nl4 can trip you up easily. Just have it in the back of your mind as a point when you will be happy to move up.
Is this going to be pure nl4 or are some MTTs going to sneak in?!
Good luck
Dave
Anyway best of luck
My Bankroll is currently £33.36 so i'll think i'll play nl4 only to for abit of healthy competition for you
Although Sky roll means just cash atm will be starting tonight will playing the Bigger $11 tournament on another site. I have a few rolls but i cant merge em at the moment as im staked on the other 2
I know you do have different accounts on different sites but I just thought you'd have a bigger bankroll and be a consistent player in the Sky main events, BH, Open, Primo, Roller etc if you were of that high a standard.
Also a direct link to my sharkscope graph. not the best but for 3000 runner top heavy prize pools pretty ok
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/graphhl.png/
over 280 games btw.
LMAO, PMSL, ROFL, JJ what can i say, absolutely awesome post m8 and well don Don for taking it in the spirit in which i am sure it was intended.
But on a more serious note, please listen to the advice you are given this time Don.
p.S. One thing you forget JJ was the bottle of milk.
How you getting on Don - Have you started yet?
Will probably c u on there - been playing a few to many satelites recently
Just stay away from MTT,s for a while and you,ll do well
Don's video diary
Little bit hungover today but have decided to power through it like a true man. Taken some advice on board and decided to start 2 tabling NL4 for 2 hours. Will update with progress at 1PM
Day One - Update
A session that started well but ended in loss i thinks the only way really to talk about this one. I think the fact im an MTT player started to show. Typically we;re good for the first little while and then struggle. I felt this big time. First hour i played really good poker, aswell as big hands holding helps. First half hour of the second hour however i made a large number of BASIC errors. I realised this while playing and adapted but in the end it wasnt enough to recover to break even, but reduced the loss sizes.
Hands shown are either a major talking point or have winnings/losses =/> 50p.
Winning hands.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceThe_Don90 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £3.80 mickwill Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £5.36 eddiegri02 Big blind £0.04 £0.10 £3.96 Your hole cards A A chaper Fold eddiegri02 Check IrishWOLF Fold rifleman22 Call £0.04 £0.14 £1.33 The_Don90 Raise £0.28 £0.42 £3.52 mickwill Fold eddiegri02 Fold rifleman22 Call £0.26 £0.68 £1.07 Flop 10 K 9 The_Don90 Bet £0.51 £1.19 £3.01 rifleman22 Call £0.51 £1.70 £0.56 Turn 4 The_Don90 Bet £0.56 £2.26 £2.45 rifleman22 All-in £0.56 £2.82 £0.00 The_Don90 Show A A rifleman22 Show J J River 6 The_Don90 Win Pair of Aces £2.60 £5.05
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceinabit Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £1.50 Macacan Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £3.20 Your hole cards A A ben170583 Fold The_Don90 Raise £0.28 £0.34 £3.72 M247 Fold DUDLYE888 Fold inabit Fold Macacan Call £0.24 £0.58 £2.96 Flop 3 J 6 Macacan Bet £0.58 £1.16 £2.38 The_Don90 Raise £1.89 £3.05 £1.83 Macacan Call £1.31 £4.36 £1.07 Turn 9 Macacan Check The_Don90 All-in £1.83 £6.19 £0.00 Macacan All-in £1.07 £7.26 £0.00 The_Don90 Unmatched bet £0.76 £6.50 £0.76 Macacan Show 8 8 The_Don90 Show A A River 10 The_Don90 Win Pair of Aces £6.01 £6.77
1. Talking hand id like to focus on bet sizing please.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceIrishWOLF Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £4.88 The_Don90 Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £4.17 Your hole cards Q 5 mickwill Call £0.04 £0.10 £8.91 woodford Fold craig06 Call £0.04 £0.14 £2.26 IrishWOLF Fold The_Don90 Check Flop 10 8 9 The_Don90 Bet £0.24 £0.38 £3.93 mickwill Call £0.24 £0.62 £8.67 craig06 Call £0.24 £0.86 £2.02 Turn J The_Don90 Bet £0.65 £1.51 £3.28 mickwill Call £0.65 £2.16 £8.02 craig06 Fold River 8 The_Don90 Bet £1.62 £3.78 £1.66 mickwill Fold The_Don90 Muck The_Don90 Win £1.99 £3.65 The_Don90 Return £1.62 £0.17 £5.27
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancegingpete05 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £2.84 ALLYM1372 Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £0.41 Your hole cards A A LOMAXKING Call £0.04 £0.10 £0.44 VWBAYVAN Call £0.04 £0.14 £3.96 The_Don90 Raise £0.32 £0.46 £3.62 gingpete05 Fold ALLYM1372 All-in £0.41 £0.87 £0.00 LOMAXKING Fold VWBAYVAN Call £0.41 £1.28 £3.55 The_Don90 Call £0.13 £1.41 £3.49 Flop J 7 A VWBAYVAN Check The_Don90 Bet £1.06 £2.47 £2.43 VWBAYVAN Fold The_Don90 Unmatched bet £1.06 £1.41 £3.49 ALLYM1372 Show K J The_Don90 Show A A Turn K River 10 The_Don90 Win Three Aces £1.30 £4.79
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancealdo1977 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £13.58 KIPKOP99 Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £4.41 Your hole cards A J chefben07 Fold The_Don90 Raise £0.20 £0.26 £4.07 swinian Fold aldo1977 Call £0.18 £0.44 £13.40 KIPKOP99 Call £0.16 £0.60 £4.25 Flop J 2 5 aldo1977 Check KIPKOP99 Check The_Don90 Bet £0.45 £1.05 £3.62 aldo1977 Fold KIPKOP99 Call £0.45 £1.50 £3.80 Turn 7 KIPKOP99 Bet £0.04 £1.54 £3.76 The_Don90 Raise £0.83 £2.37 £2.79 KIPKOP99 Fold The_Don90 Muck The_Don90 Win £1.46 £4.25 The_Don90 Return £0.79 £0.12 £5.04
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancechefben07 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £3.07 The_Don90 Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £5.00 Your hole cards A A swinian Call £0.04 £0.10 £2.26 KIPKOP99 Call £0.04 £0.14 £3.56 chefben07 Fold The_Don90 Raise £0.32 £0.46 £4.68 swinian Fold KIPKOP99 Call £0.32 £0.78 £3.24 Flop Q 7 7 The_Don90 Bet £0.59 £1.37 £4.09 KIPKOP99 Call £0.59 £1.96 £2.65 Turn 2 The_Don90 Bet £0.98 £2.94 £3.11 KIPKOP99 Fold The_Don90 Muck The_Don90 Win £1.81 £4.92 The_Don90 Return £0.98 £0.15 £5.90
2. Bad call on river by own admittance. Little voice in my head said call so i called.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceThe_Don90 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £5.52 teddy991 Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £3.88 Your hole cards Q J wallace227 Call £0.04 £0.10 £5.13 KIPKOP99 Fold saker Fold The_Don90 Call £0.02 £0.12 £5.50 teddy991 Check Flop 6 Q 8 The_Don90 Bet £0.09 £0.21 £5.41 teddy991 Fold wallace227 Call £0.09 £0.30 £5.04 Turn 10 The_Don90 Bet £0.15 £0.45 £5.26 wallace227 Call £0.15 £0.60 £4.89 River 7 The_Don90 Check wallace227 Bet £0.60 £1.20 £4.29 The_Don90 Call £0.60 £1.80 £4.66 wallace227 Show 6 K The_Don90 Show Q J The_Don90 Win Pair of Queens £1.66 £6.32
Losing hands
3. Really annoyed with this one. this was early into the second hour of play and really think pre i can fold.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancestoneyb515 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £1.06 Macacan Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £6.07 Your hole cards K Q ben170583 Call £0.04 £0.10 £3.70 The_Don90 Raise £0.20 £0.30 £6.91 M247 Raise £0.40 £0.70 £2.84 DUDLYE888 Fold stoneyb515 Fold Macacan Fold ben170583 Fold The_Don90 Call £0.20 £0.90 £6.71 Flop 5 7 K The_Don90 Check M247 Bet £0.68 £1.58 £2.16 The_Don90 All-in £6.71 £8.29 £0.00 M247 All-in £2.16 £10.45 £0.00 The_Don90 Unmatched bet £3.87 £6.58 £3.87 The_Don90 Show K Q M247 Show A A Turn 6 River 5 M247 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 5s £6.08 £6.08
4. Again i think i can fold river but would value opinions
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceThe_Don90 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £3.90 M247 Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £5.35 Your hole cards A 10 DUDLYE888 Raise £0.08 £0.14 £4.36 stoneyb515 Fold The_Don90 Call £0.06 £0.20 £3.84 M247 Call £0.04 £0.24 £5.31 Flop 6 5 6 The_Don90 Check M247 Check DUDLYE888 Check Turn 10 The_Don90 Bet £0.18 £0.42 £3.66 M247 Fold DUDLYE888 Call £0.18 £0.60 £4.18 River J The_Don90 Check DUDLYE888 Bet £0.68 £1.28 £3.50 The_Don90 Call £0.68 £1.96 £2.98 DUDLYE888 Show 6 5 The_Don90 Muck A 10 DUDLYE888 Win Full House, 6s and 5s £1.81 £5.31
5. made to look like a right idiot. easy fold isnt it.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancestoneyb515 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £0.80 Gibbo77 Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £3.83 Your hole cards 8 8 The_Don90 Raise £0.20 £0.26 £3.70 M247 Fold DUDLYE888 Fold stoneyb515 Fold Gibbo77 Call £0.16 £0.42 £3.67 Flop 6 7 Q Gibbo77 Check The_Don90 Bet £0.21 £0.63 £3.49 Gibbo77 Call £0.21 £0.84 £3.46 Turn A Gibbo77 Check The_Don90 Check River 4 Gibbo77 Bet £0.42 £1.26 £3.04 The_Don90 Call £0.42 £1.68 £3.07 Gibbo77 Show J J The_Don90 Muck 8 8 Gibbo77 Win Pair of Jacks £1.55 £4.59
6. think i played this badly alround. was folding on almost any other turn. Lost more than the min i think.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceGibbo77 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £4.15 ben170583 Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £6.58 Your hole cards K J The_Don90 Raise £0.20 £0.26 £3.97 M247 Fold DUDLYE888 Fold stoneyb515 Fold Gibbo77 Call £0.18 £0.44 £3.97 ben170583 Call £0.16 £0.60 £6.42 Flop 9 A 2 Gibbo77 Check ben170583 Check The_Don90 Check Turn 10 Gibbo77 Bet £0.45 £1.05 £3.52 ben170583 Call £0.45 £1.50 £5.97 The_Don90 All-in £3.97 £5.47 £0.00 Gibbo77 Fold ben170583 Call £3.52 £8.99 £2.45 ben170583 Show 9 9 The_Don90 Show K J River A ben170583 Win Full House, 9s and Aces £8.31 £10.76
Closing balance: £29.65
No idea why i cant get itialics off sorry. I think this session was rewarding as i learnt alot about my game and the level thats taken me way to long to get. I have two other talking hands but put them in the clinic to give them a thread to themselves. Pleased that i got the full session that i wanted in. More of the same and a few profits to come in the next one i hope.
also see proves my theory your a card rack how many times do you want Aces?? run better lol
2- river prob a c/f dont hate the call though
3- fold pre, cant see why you are shoving flop
4- river is easy fold when he bets that big
5 - meh its prob a fold
6 flat turn
GL next sesh
It's one thing I've been learning about at 4NL. Getting value out of your good hands is only as important as losing the minimum on your non-winning hands. I used to do it all the time, get my £4 BI up to £8-£10 then blow it on a few bad shoves/calls looking to win a big pot.
I think if you play 4NL right, it's a very patient game and it may take some time but you will eventually find great spots and take people's stacks but people find it a nightmare to get money off you. I think here you're really only putting the money in with your made hands, you're never bluffing, so if you have an idea where you are, you should rarely lose big pots...apart from obviously when you get badly outdrawn.
88 ,QJ and A10 hands have to fold, and KQ pre after minreraise is fold.
Well I played in a tourney like that about 4 years ago, it was only 10 cents buy-in with 3500+ runners, I came 2nd for just over $200 and that took me from 8pm til about 6am so that was 10 hours.
I was in work the same day as well so got practically no sleep that day but I was well happy, it was my first big result. So yeah 10-12 hours sounds about right.
Again though Don, if you're getting a good ROI on these and it's only low stakes, couldn't you fund them yourself then you wouldn't have to share your profit and you could take a bit of your profit to set up a proper BR for Sky cash tables.