taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

The_Don90 · August 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Hi Don, slightly off topic but out of interest how long do these tournies last? I would like to play some but I'm sure I saw in the lobby of one that it went on for about 12 hours and that was only a $1 or $2 buy in!
Posted by Payney1978

They do take 6-12 hours varying from tourny to tourny. What i would advise is to make any money u have to finnish in top 10 really. And tbh they are seriously high variance. I have a really good deal on my stake taking 80% of profits, and 90% on bigger buy in events.

Because of the variance i wouldnt recommend them to anyone without decent tourny experiance.

The_Don90 · August 2011

Day Two

Missed out playing last night due to a unexpected deep run in mtt on another site. Will be playing a 2 hour session today will struggle to get much more in due to going to see the Inbetweeners movie after tea.

2 hour session started at 3.15 so will update at 5.15.

YOUNG_GUN · August 2011

Inbetweeners ftw keep up the good work buddy ill be offline till next week so hope you are going strong by then! GL

DOHHHHHHH · August 2011

It's gone wrong..... :S:S:S........

The_Don90 · August 2011

Day Two - Update

TILTED AND QUIT. HANDS BELOW.

winning hands.

1.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
saint71	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.60
FJK	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.96
	Your hole cards	K A
The_Don90	Raise		£0.24	£0.30	£3.74
saint71	All-in		£1.60	£1.90	£0.00
FJK	Call		£1.58	£3.48	£2.38
The_Don90	All-in		£3.74	£7.22	£0.00
FJK	Fold
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£2.36	£4.86	£2.36
saint71	Show	K K
The_Don90	Show	K A
Flop
		A 8 7
Turn
		9
River
		4
The_Don90	Win	Pair of Aces	£4.49		£6.85

2.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Just1time	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£0.84
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.25
	Your hole cards	A A
liamboi11	Fold
WALTERCOO	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.43
acemachine	Fold
FJK	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.87
Just1time	All-in		£0.84	£0.98	£0.00
The_Don90	Raise		£2.46	£3.44	£1.79
WALTERCOO	Fold
FJK	Fold
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£1.64	£1.80	£3.43
Just1time	Show	Q A
The_Don90	Show	A A
Flop
		3 2 4
Turn
		A
River
		7
The_Don90	Win	Three Aces	£1.66		£5.09

Losing hands.

3.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
FJK	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.40
Just1time	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.75
	Your hole cards	Q K
The_Don90	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£6.59
WALTERCOO	Call		£0.20	£0.46	£1.28
acemachine	Call		£0.20	£0.66	£3.86
FJK	Call		£0.18	£0.84	£2.22
Just1time	Fold
Flop
		3 Q J
FJK	Bet		£0.04	£0.88	£2.18
The_Don90	Raise		£0.50	£1.38	£6.09
WALTERCOO	Fold
acemachine	Call		£0.50	£1.88	£3.36
FJK	Call		£0.46	£2.34	£1.72
Turn
		J
FJK	Bet		£0.04	£2.38	£1.68
The_Don90	Call		£0.04	£2.42	£6.05
acemachine	Call		£0.04	£2.46	£3.32
River
		10
FJK	All-in		£1.68	£4.14	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£1.68	£5.82	£4.37
acemachine	Fold
FJK	Show	6 J
The_Don90	Show	Q K
FJK	Win	Three Jacks	£5.38		£5.38

4.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.07
liamboi11	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.77
	Your hole cards	J Q
WALTERCOO	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.39
acemachine	Fold
FJK	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.83
The_Don90	Call		£0.02	£0.16	£5.05
liamboi11	Check
Flop
		Q 9 J
The_Don90	Bet		£0.16	£0.32	£4.89
liamboi11	Raise		£0.52	£0.84	£3.25
WALTERCOO	Call		£0.52	£1.36	£1.87
FJK	Call		£0.52	£1.88	£2.31
The_Don90	Call		£0.36	£2.24	£4.53
Turn
		6
The_Don90	Check
liamboi11	Bet		£1.68	£3.92	£1.57
WALTERCOO	Fold
FJK	Call		£1.68	£5.60	£0.63
The_Don90	All-in		£4.53	£10.13	£0.00
liamboi11	All-in		£1.57	£11.70	£0.00
FJK	All-in		£0.63	£12.33	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£1.28	£11.05	£1.28
The_Don90	Show	J Q
liamboi11	Show	10 8
FJK	Show	7 J
River
		3
liamboi11	Win	Straight to the Queen	£10.22		£10.22

5.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
teddy991	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.94
oddjob007	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.96
	Your hole cards	Q Q
liamboi11	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.24	£0.30	£3.88
ballboy	Fold
pippypony	Fold
teddy991	Fold
oddjob007	Call		£0.20	£0.50	£3.76
Flop
		2 3 A
oddjob007	Check
The_Don90	Check
Turn
		5
oddjob007	Bet		£0.50	£1.00	£3.26
The_Don90	Call		£0.50	£1.50	£3.38
River
		8
oddjob007	Check
The_Don90	Check
oddjob007	Show	4 4
The_Don90	Muck	Q Q
oddjob007	Win	Straight to the 5	£1.38		£4.64

YOUNG_GUN · August 2011

KQ hand ive commented in clinic

QJ flopped 2 pair, cooler prob shove flop rather then call is better

QQ not really played bad imo lost min wp

only commenting quickly on losing hands

Lambert180 · August 2011

Some very standard 4NL hands, on another day you could have had a very profitable session.

What's your bankroll down to now then?

The_Don90 · August 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

KQ hand ive commented in clinic QJ flopped 2 pair, cooler prob shove flop rather then call is better QQ not really played bad imo lost min wp only commenting quickly on losing hands
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

ty. P.s. the tilt is purley self tilt and im annoyed at how i played one hand. Ive posted it in the clinic.

Dont thnk i can play well when im seriously annoyed at myself.

forgot bankroll update ty Lambert

Bankroll - £26.13

grantorino · August 2011

1- luckbox
2- u get AA a lot
3- commented in clinic
4 - as 3, if this is hand you think was bad you are being way too hard on yourself
5- nh

Dudeskin8 · August 2011

You mention deep run in MTT preventing you playing, imo you should forget all about these silly MTT's for at least a month and go hardcore on the NL4. This may seem a little harsh but you're NEVER gonna improve playing flippently now and again mixed with MTT play which takes your mind off the main goal which must surely be beating NL4.

Lambert180 · August 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

You mention deep run in MTT preventing you playing, imo you should forget all about these silly MTT's for at least a month and go hardcore on the NL4. This may seem a little harsh but you're NEVER gonna improve playing flippently now and again mixed with MTT play which takes your mind off the main goal which must surely be beating NL4.
Posted by Dudeskin8

Agreed.

Especially because (as they've said many a time on channel 865) MTTs and and cash games require very different skill sets and you've mentioned before how you struggle to get out of the MTT mindset so stop making it harder for yourself and just concentrate on getting in the cash table mindset and start beating 4NL.

grantorino · August 2011

Why should beating 4NL be more important to him than beating MTTs? Especially given the situation where he has a good staking deal, a good mtt record and is underrolled for 4NL here as some of his roll is tied up

AcidMan27 · August 2011

Exactly, it's not as if he's playing MTT's and cash at the same time either so it won't affect his play.

DOHHHHHHH · August 2011

It's not playing mtt's, it's "not playing" cash.......

Always seems to be an excuse not to play cash. Obv it takes patience, discipline and concentration, mtt's not so much.

Playing whatever discipline u want is fine but it's all the build up and all the talk about "I will beat nl4 this time, I know I will" then in the 2nd session he quits after 20 mins....

Seen it all before, it's pretty tilting when you try and help and see others say the same thing over n over again, and then he doesn't put the time and effort in himself.

Its 1 thing working hard at your game, but all the literature suggests you play 80% of the time, and study 20%.

If he's allocating 40% of his poker time to mtts, and 40% to studying, it doesn't leave much left to play cash. Especially when you're quitting at the start of sessions and wasting playing time because of so called "tilt"

Maybe it's just a 1 day minor blip, which we all have, time will tell.

But it's goin the same way as the previous 15+ NL4 attempts already.

Dudeskin8 · August 2011

Not being in any way offensive here but how can someone who is brilliant at MTT's and must see all sorts of hideous beats and get LOADS of variance be also subceptible to tilt when playing cash ?

I would have thought all those hours of play in the 1000+ runner events knocks that out of ya system pretty sharpish.

With NL4 2 tabling I'd be looking for a minimum of 200 hands a day if that's too little move to 300 but always try and reach it EVERY day.

scotty77 · August 2011

there is no way that anyone should be using that much time studying to crack NL4. a newbie maybe but not someone like the Don who has been a 'student' of the game for quite some time now.

cut out the MTTs. cut out the essay forum posts. no one really looks at HH after HH anyway

ive said this to the Don before. get a proper roll for NL4 on Sky of at least 150£ then grind. Doh did an excellent strategy guide for NL4, whcih I passed onto a friend of mine, who has turned into a losing player into someone who is making steady profits and looking at moving to NL10 soon.

once you've built up your roll, then try sats and tournies like the TSP classic etc. put sats into live events out of your mind totally, even if you are staked for them...cos no offence but if you can't crack NL4 then you have no chance in a 500£ Bi EVENT

this is like the 10th time you've started one of these thread. if you can't crack NL4 then give up cash totally and focus on MTTs.

walesboy · August 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

Lol thanks MP33, that's put a smile on my face... Yeah I did notice you were on one of my tables. I was only on 3 but I didn't notice if you were on any others. I'm off now anyway, just put 1 hour in, £10 profit All from basically 2 hands, one hand I've got KK, raise big pre, called OOP (went HU), I hit my K on the flop 7K9 and he shoves £4+ in with A9 lol... so easy.
Posted by Lambert180

I saw that, had to step away from table beforehand. was hoping to get his money also! had got a bit of it. decided not to sit back in after that as he'd gone. still, any profit is a good profit at this level! especially after recent losses
nice hand by the way.

walesboy · August 2011

MP33 - 1500 points at nl4 is the definition of grinding
hope you've got plenty of matchsticks for those eyes
good luck m8

The_Don90 · August 2011

sat on NL4 with just shy of 300BB and 500BB respectivley

MP33 · August 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

Lol thanks MP33, that's put a smile on my face... Yeah I did notice you were on one of my tables. I was only on 3 but I didn't notice if you were on any others. I'm off now anyway, just put 1 hour in, £10 profit All from basically 2 hands, one hand I've got KK, raise big pre, called OOP (went HU), I hit my K on the flop 7K9 and he shoves £4+ in with A9 lol... so easy.
Posted by Lambert180

Tht is nice
Just played another 90 mins nearly

I got my KK busted and played AK and KQ so bad tht i,m to embarressed to post em , but never lost a full buy in - Just £1.70,s and stuff. I don,t know why ppl sit there with a quid and their getting the nutz

finally got aces which held up for the only hand over £2 profit

BR £150 + 1450 pts
BR £157.77 + 1613 pts

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
bigjack607	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.97
ritabeater	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.11
	Your hole cards	A A
xxxxx	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£3.68
Chambers12	Fold
MP33	Raise		£0.52	£0.78	£6.24
jthegeeza	Fold
bigjack607	Fold
ritabeater	Fold
xxxxx	Call		£0.32	£1.10	£3.36
Flop
		10 3 9
	All-in		£3.36	£4.46	£0.00
MP33	Call		£3.36	£7.82	£2.88
xxxxx	Show	5 5
MP33	Show	A A
Turn
		Q
River
		K
MP33	Win	Pair of Aces	£7.23		£10.11

The_Don90 · August 2011

Day Two - Update

I would usually post hands in this section. But had a 3 hour long drinking session while playing, although id started as soon as i was informed that the inbetweeners movie was sold out (grrr). The sesson started badly AA losing to a straight and folding for 45 mins on the oither table. I was then tipped off by a reg that there was action on another table i joined and surer than sure, there was action. This is why im not posting hands.

Table One - Lose 30p (didnt play a hand)
Table Two - Lost 37p (lost 2BIs early but regained most of it)
Table Three - Profit somewhere around £15

Bankroll update - £41.24

MP33 · August 2011

Nice 1

Can you tip me off nxt time

just had another hour 2 tabling - had 4 hnds over £2 profit - just lost a hand at the end - Shouldnt try to bluff - clled on low pair

BR £150 1450pts
BR £163.51 1626 pts

The_Don90 · August 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

Nice 1 Can you tip me off nxt time just had another hour 2 tabling - had 4 hnds over £2 profit - just lost a hand at the end - Shouldnt try to bluff - clled on low pair BR £150 1450pts BR £163.51 1626 pts
Posted by MP33

by the time i tipped the one player i did off (only wanted to know waiting list size, happened to be 0 lol ) most of the action was well underway with no spare seats. Ive never seen 3x NL4 regs, a NL100 reg and 2 others on one table before and only 2 people see 90% of flops. Was simply crazy

MP33 · August 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

Nice 1 Can you tip me off nxt time just had another hour 2 tabling - had 4 hnds over £2 profit - just lost a hand at the end - Shouldnt try to bluff - clled on low pair BR £150 1450pts BR £163.51 1626 pts
Posted by MP33

Just woke up an hour early so thought i,d play nother hour - Not good time to ply _Its like trying to get blood out of stone

Did ma cpl of mistkes but getting off it as i,ve just had cpl of bad bts but havent lost to much nd its strting to tilt me

BR £150 1450 pts

BR £163.51 1626 pts

BR £162.74 1645 pts

MP33 · August 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : by the time i tipped the one player i did off (only wanted to know waiting list size, happened to be 0 lol ) most of the action was well underway with no spare seats. Ive never seen 3x NL4 regs, a NL100 reg and 2 others on one table before and only 2 people see 90% of flops. Was simply crazy
Posted by The_Don90

I just missed it - i sw the avearge at about £8

Dudeskin8 · August 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

Yeah I wanted to ask about that thread Dohhh wrote on 4NL. I seen Dude's strategy somewhere which he may have picked up from Doh anyway (I dunno) but just wanted to check if it was the same way I'm currently playing or if there was any other pointers here to try and improve my hourly rate
Posted by Lambert180

Nah lol mine's a LOT tighter !

Also good work Don, hopefully that session gives you some confidence to contiue with the grind.

Lambert180 · August 2011

Congrats on the nice profit Don. Keep it up. Keep getting them AAs and you'll be fine.

The_Don90 · August 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

Congrats on the nice profit Don. Keep it up. Keep getting them AAs and you'll be fine.
Posted by Lambert180

I actually had AA, KK and QQ once respectivley and lost with all 3 lol. No biggie still showed a profit although if i was in loss there id have quit poker.

Dudeskin8 · August 2011

You've got more than 10 BI's now mate, any silly talk of 'quitting' should be out of your mind completely.

DOHHHHHHH · August 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:

You've got more than 10 BI's now mate, any silly talk of 'quitting' should be out of your mind completely.
Posted by Dudeskin8

.......Until the next cooler/bad beat/next time sum1 3 bets you and makes you fold 77 and you tilt and log off coz you weren't able to set mine........

taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

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