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taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

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  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : .......Until the next cooler/bad beat/next time sum1 3 bets you and makes you fold 77 and you tilt and log off coz you weren't able to set mine........
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    TBF that does tilt me so bad lol, You gotta see a flop with a pair enit :)
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : TBF that does tilt me so bad lol, You gotta see a flop with a pair enit :)
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    I'm going to assume you are taking the Piste here Dude
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : I'm going to assume you are taking the Piste here Dude
    Posted by Lambert180
    As long as the guy has over 8x what I have to call in his stack I'm calling everytime, in 3bet spots it's highly likely he'll pay me off on the flop too if I hit.
  • edited August 2011
    Well I was refering to the 'making you tilt' bit, but yeah you gotta call if they got a big stack behind.
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    Well I was refering to the 'making you tilt' bit, but yeah you gotta call if they got a big stack behind.
    Posted by Lambert180
    LOL I never tilt through bad beats etc I bloody love them, I only tilt through bad play on my part when I think I might have been able to get away from a situation but didn't, they can knaw away at me for days...

    And it's not tilt in that I start going crazy raising with junk/ calling pre with any2 it's like anti-tilt so I start playing even tighter lol
  • edited August 2011
    lol at thread being completely hijacked
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    lol at thread being completely hijacked
    Posted by grantorino
    LOL _ I,ve kinda hijacked it for a few days just to see if i get to the 2k pts mark just playing NL4

    Rather than start another BR thread on NL4 I,ll just post on here - Helps me focus more at this level if I,m posting my results

    Gonna give Dohhhh,,a blog another read before  a cpl of hours on the tables  
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Just woke up an hour early so thought i,d play nother hour - Not  good time to ply  _Its like trying to get blood out of  stone   Did ma cpl of mistkes but getting off it as i,ve just had  cpl of bad bts but havent lost to much nd its strting to tilt me BR    £150       1450 pts  BR    £163.51  1626 pts BR    £162.74  1645 pts
    Posted by MP33
    Another 2 hours on NL4 3-4 tabling and only 3 pots with just over £2 profit - defiantely good practise for mult-tabling as well 

    BR £150          1450 pts
    BR   £169.08   1677pts
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : LOL I never tilt through bad beats etc I bloody love them, I only tilt through bad play on my part when I think I might have been able to get away from a situation but didn't, they can knaw away at me for days... And it's not tilt in that I start going crazy raising with junk/ calling pre with any2 it's like anti-tilt so I start playing even tighter lol
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    ure sayin ya can play tighter ?? balls hit lolz xxx
  • edited August 2011
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    Mon the Don
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    Ging gang gooly gooly gooly gooly gooly gooly ging gang goooo, ging gang gooooooo Mon the Don
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    He's gave up again ?
  • edited August 2011
    Why would anyone want to take on NL4?, if i had a bank roll of around 30 quid(not sure what you have don) i would play 1-1 or 6 max sit n gos, improving my game and making profit.....playing NL4 has no strategy involved imo and so you will not improve on your game!

    Gl with playing at this level m8, But seriously if you wish to make money! keep to tournies and sit n gos avoid all the lowest stakes cash games like the plague and once you get a bank roll like 150 quid or sumthing start taking shots at NL10 and 5 quid tourneys! 


  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    Why would anyone want to take on NL4?, if i had a bank roll of around 30 quid(not sure what you have don) i would play 1-1 or 6 max sit n gos, improving my game and making profit.....playing NL4 has no strategy involved imo and so you will not improve on your game! Gl with playing at this level m8, But seriously if you wish to make money! keep to tournies and sit n gos avoid all the lowest stakes cash games like the plague and once you get a bank roll like 150 quid or sumthing start taking shots at NL10 and 5 quid tourneys! 
    Posted by WHOAMI196

    I really don't mean any offence here but that's rubbish.

    Of course you can have a strategy to play and beat NL4. Many players who now play much higher on this site started off at NL4.

  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : I really don't mean any offence here but that's rubbish. Of course you can have a strategy to play and beat NL4. Many players who now play much higher on this site started off at NL4.
    Posted by AcidMan27
    haha was expecting this, what strategy lol Tight? if you want to play NL4 then do it for the right reasons i.e getting introduced to poker and learning the absolute basic, ..........Not to be a reg at this level and try to beat it!

    Might as well wack 100 quid in your accout and play NL10 than wasting long hours of your day grinding to 2 quid profit ....
     
    Also there is much more to learn in 1-1 sit n gos and 6 max since you are forced to play and not to sit back and wait for AA.........Honestly listen to me here ..i talk S hit a lot of the time but this time im right!
  • edited August 2011
    I don't agree at all sorry.

    Also much of the same strategy you use to play NL4 profitably you should be doing to play NL10 profitably.

    So to say stick £100 in your account and then go and play NL10 is a bit wrong. You would have 10 buyins. If you're still learning how to play cash then that's not enough.

    Heads up is totally different to 6max cash. S'nG games are totally different too.


  • edited August 2011

    People under-estimate how much money there is to be made at nl4. 

    +10 buy in sessions should be pretty frequent if you can multi table properly. 

    Few sessions a week and you're looking at 100 quid.

    Do it for a couple of months and you have a ready made nl20 bankroll. - OR a few hundred quid spending money, if you're just playing for fun.

    So wether ur just messin about to fund tourny entries, or u wanna build and go through the levels, nl4 is the way to go!!!

    Those 4 quids add up....
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    I don't agree at all sorry. Also much of the same strategy you use to play NL4 profitably you should be doing to play NL10 profitably. So to say stick £100 in your account and then go and play NL10 is a bit wrong. You would have 10 buyins. If you're still learning how to play cash then that's not enough. Heads up is totally different to 6max cash. S'nG games are totally different too.
    Posted by AcidMan27
    Shame you dont get it, i think i can figure out that 10 goes ino 100 ..10 times lol.........and was i debating that sit n gos was the same as cash? not sure if i did.......

    I hope someone who wants to progress in poker to stick to tournies and sit n gos when they first start off as it does help your game a lot, and avoid the lower levels of cash.

    ACIDMAN stick to nl4 m8 ......
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Shame you dont get it, i think i can figure out that 10 goes ino 100 ..10 times lol.........and was i debating that sit n gos was the same as cash? not sure if i did....... I hope someone who wants to progress in poker to stick to tournies and sit n gos when they first start off as it does help your game a lot, and avoid the lower levels of cash. ACIDMAN stick to nl4 m8 ......
    Posted by WHOAMI196
    You said play heads up or SnG's to learn to play proper poker. What is proper poker ?

    Those two disciplines require different skills just the same as playing cash requires different skills.

    Then as you work through the cash levels you need to adjust your cash game again.

    Don is a great MTT player and seems to be a good HU player too so to improve his cash game he needs to start from the bottom and work his way up.

    I agree with you that when you first start playing then SnG's are great and probably the best way to learn the basics.
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Shame you dont get it, i think i can figure out that 10 goes ino 100 ..10 times lol.........and was i debating that sit n gos was the same as cash? not sure if i did....... I hope someone who wants to progress in poker to stick to tournies and sit n gos when they first start off as it does help your game a lot, and avoid the lower levels of cash. ACIDMAN stick to nl4 m8 ......
    Posted by WHOAMI196
    I'm with AcidMan, I think you're completely wrong that there's no point playing ay 4NL. As Doh said you can make a very decent profit from it, it's a brilliant way to lay down the foundations of being a solid player, and it can give new comers a chance to master these basic disciplines and get comfortable with multi-tabling at minimum risk.

    You'll need to adapt your strategy in all formats of poker whether it's SnGs, MTTs, cash at micro stakes, or cash at higher levels but if there was no winning strategy at 4NL then surely there would be no consistent winners at 4NL which obviously is not the case

    Alot of people do not want to just whack £100 into a poker website when they're very new to the game. 4NL is an excellent way of learning the basics and building up a bankroll so you can step up the levels using good BRM as everyone should. I've used it to get from £20 to £200, now I'm moving onto 8NL and 10NL, I don't see the problem. I'll probably beat 8NL and 10NL until I get to around £400-£500, which shouldn't take more than a month or two, then have a go at 20NL, what is the problem with this?

    On a side point, some people just play for fun and actually don't WANT to move up the levels and play 4NL, leave them to it.
  • edited August 2011

    Day Three - Update

    I forgot to upload results from yesterday so this is a little catch up. Im also going to use this post to reply to some recent comments.

    Yestdarday happened to be my mates 21st so i was confident of getting some play in however much though was a mystery. He came up in the morning to drop off the lager and while he was away at his mums for his meal i got on the grind.

    This was a largley disappointing session tbh. I was cooking while playing and hit Auto post and wait for Big Blind. This is the result of that.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Yell4Yella Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.90
    The_Don90 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.96
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
       
    maria882 Call  £0.04 £0.10 £2.52
    steve63 Call  £0.04 £0.14 £2.11
    trueguns Call  £0.04 £0.18 £5.33
    Yell4Yella Call  £0.02 £0.20 £3.88
    The_Don90 Check     
    Flop
      
    • 4
    • 6
    • 4
       
    Yell4Yella Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.15 £0.35 £3.81
    maria882 Fold     
    steve63 Call  £0.15 £0.50 £1.96
    trueguns Fold     
    Yell4Yella Fold     
    Turn
      
    • 7
       
    The_Don90 Check     
    steve63 Bet  £0.50 £1.00 £1.46
    The_Don90 Call  £0.50 £1.50 £3.31
    River
      
    • J
       
    The_Don90 Check     
    steve63 All-in  £1.46 £2.96 £0.00
    The_Don90 Call  £1.46 £4.42 £1.85
    The_Don90 Show
    • A
    • A
       
    steve63 Show
    • 2
    • 4
       
    steve63 Win Three 4s £4.08  £4.08
    Probably could have avoiding stacking given the pre flop circumstances. I didnt hear the little bleeper and as a result got back to see the SB acting post flop. whoops.

    However the session did get better and some winning moment did come.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_Don90 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.94
    JaY1970 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.18
     Your hole cards
    • 9
    • 9
       
    JPW33 Call  £0.04 £0.10 £3.72
    mallrat12 Call  £0.04 £0.14 £3.08
    dirtygirty Call  £0.04 £0.18 £0.36
    denty765 Call  £0.04 £0.22 £3.96
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.32 £0.54 £3.62
    JaY1970 Fold     
    JPW33 Call  £0.30 £0.84 £3.42
    mallrat12 Fold     
    dirtygirty All-in  £0.36 £1.20 £0.00
    denty765 Fold     
    The_Don90 Call  £0.06 £1.26 £3.56
    JPW33 Call  £0.06 £1.32 £3.36
    Flop
      
    • 3
    • 9
    • A
       
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.99 £2.31 £2.57
    JPW33 All-in  £3.36 £5.67 £0.00
    The_Don90 Call  £2.37 £8.04 £0.20
    The_Don90 Show
    • 9
    • 9
       
    JPW33 Show
    • A
    • 4
       
    dirtygirty Show
    • A
    • Q
       
    Turn
      
    • 5
       
    River
      
    • 8
       
    The_Don90 Win Three 9s £7.43  £7.63
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_Don90 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.08
    purehuni Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £4.68
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
       
    maria882 Fold     
    Guvnor24 Fold     
    Yell4Yella Call  £0.04 £0.10 £3.18
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.24 £0.34 £3.84
    purehuni Call  £0.22 £0.56 £4.46
    Yell4Yella Fold     
    Flop
      
    • 10
    • 9
    • J
       
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.42 £0.98 £3.42
    purehuni Call  £0.42 £1.40 £4.04
    Turn
      
    • 3
       
    The_Don90 Check     
    purehuni Bet  £1.00 £2.40 £3.04
    The_Don90 Call  £1.00 £3.40 £2.42
    River
      
    • 10
       
    The_Don90 Check     
    purehuni Bet  £2.55 £5.95 £0.49
    The_Don90 All-in  £2.42 £8.37 £0.00
    purehuni Unmatched bet  £0.13 £8.24 £0.62
    The_Don90 Show
    • A
    • A
       
    purehuni Show
    • K
    • J
       
    The_Don90 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 10s £7.62  £7.62
    The hand above id like some comments on please. Number marked as 1.

    However as always theres losing and winning.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    sounddd Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.29
    The_Don90 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £5.43
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • 10
       
    breamchamp Call  £0.04 £0.10 £3.53
    deuce22 Fold     
    purehuni Fold     
    sounddd Fold     
    The_Don90 Check     
    Flop
      
    • 4
    • 6
    • A
       
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.10 £0.20 £5.33
    breamchamp Raise  £0.40 £0.60 £3.13
    The_Don90 Call  £0.30 £0.90 £5.03
    Turn
      
    • 5
       
    The_Don90 Check     
    breamchamp Bet  £0.45 £1.35 £2.68
    The_Don90 Call  £0.45 £1.80 £4.58
    River
      
    • 3
       
    The_Don90 Check     
    breamchamp Check     
    The_Don90 Show
    • A
    • 10
       
    breamchamp Show
    • 8
    • A
       
    breamchamp Win Flush to the 8 £1.66  £4.34
    Again comments on this please. Number marked 2.

    This hand below (number marked 3.) i see situations alot like this and is it standrad for me to call the shove with the stacks the way they are, or should i just past my card to the dealer ?
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    krash999 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £0.66
    purehuni Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.96
     Your hole cards
    • 10
    • A
       
    thecueman Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.20 £0.26 £3.82
    SONOFZORRO Fold     
    june32 Fold     
    krash999 All-in  £0.66 £0.92 £0.00
    purehuni Fold     
    The_Don90 Call  £0.48 £1.40 £3.34
    krash999 Show
    • K
    • 7
       
    The_Don90 Show
    • 10
    • A
       
    Flop
      
    • K
    • Q
    • 7
       
    Turn
      
    • 7
       
    River
      
    • 9
       
    krash999 Win Full House, 7s and Kings £1.29  £1.29
    And hand marked 4. In particular i was annoyed at this.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    denty765 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.86
    The_Don90 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £7.59
     Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
       
    JaY1970 Fold     
    mallrat12 Fold     
    denty765 Raise  £0.18 £0.24 £3.68
    The_Don90 Call  £0.16 £0.40 £7.43
    Flop
      
    • 9
    • 3
    • A
       
    denty765 Bet  £0.20 £0.60 £3.48
    The_Don90 Call  £0.20 £0.80 £7.23
    Turn
      
    • 6
       
    denty765 Bet  £0.40 £1.20 £3.08
    The_Don90 Call  £0.40 £1.60 £6.83
    River
      
    • 4
       
    denty765 Bet  £2.88 £4.48 £0.20
    The_Don90 Call  £2.88 £7.36 £3.95
    denty765 Show
    • K
    • A
       
    The_Don90 Muck
    • J
    • A
       
    denty765 Win Pair of Aces £6.80  £7.00


    Looking back ive not posted all hands from winning or losing but more the ones that could be discussed. I think ive made a large chunk of errors. Obviously not helped by firstly cooking and secondly eating.


    I did get 90 mins in before my mate returned.

    Closing Balance: £39.20


    In reply to the last few threads aswell. Im simly playing NL4 because im skint. I also need to work on the basics of my game. As some people have said ive played MTTs fr a long time and really ive forgotten the basics.
  • edited August 2011
    1. I also obviously raise massive pre but I assume you weren't at the table. I overbet the pot on the flop.

    2. nh

    3. Raise bigger pre, raise bigger flop, raise the turn. How many times can one guy get AA...

    4. Don't know if you were away again but I raise pre. Overbet the flop as played. I might fold turn, I definitely c/f river.

    5. I'm calling this, personally, short stacked people at this level should with ANYTHING sometimes. I've had people shove 3bet me with K4.

    6. Ul to be up against AK but I fold river here to that massive overbet... you do only have top pair with an ok kicker (I know it's 4NL but still lol)

    So was this a losing session in the end? or about break even?
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    1. I also obviously raise massive pre but I assume you weren't at the table. I overbet the pot on the flop. 2. nh 3. Raise bigger pre, raise bigger flop, raise the turn. How many times can one guy get AA... 4. Don't know if you were away again but I raise pre. Overbet the flop as played. I might fold turn, I definitely c/f river. 5. I'm calling this, personally, short stacked people at this level should with ANYTHING sometimes. I've had people shove 3bet me with K4. 6. Ul to be up against AK but I fold river here to that massive overbet... you do only have top pair with an ok kicker (I know it's 4NL but still lol) So was this a losing session in the end? or about break even?
    Posted by Lambert180
    £2 down for the whole session. Remove that AA hand that i missed the start of and im break even.
  • edited August 2011
    That's not bad. Half a BI is barely anything really. That's one thing I've learnt since taking cash more serious. Like last night i 4 tabled for 2 hours and was 1 BI down, in the past I'd have been annoyed that I hadn't made profit but I've had about 6 sessions of profit in a row before that and really 1 BI is nothing, it could be soo much worse.
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    People under-estimate how much money there is to be made at nl4.  +10 buy in sessions should be pretty frequent if you can multi table properly.  Few sessions a week and you're looking at 100 quid. Do it for a couple of months and you have a ready made nl20 bankroll. - OR a few hundred quid spending money, if you're just playing for fun. So wether ur just messin about to fund tourny entries, or u wanna build and go through the levels, nl4 is the way to go!!! Those 4 quids add up....
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    lol doh ..off the wacki backi m8 seriously!
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : You said play heads up or SnG's to learn to play proper poker. What is proper poker ? Posted by AcidMan27
    Did I say that? those are strong words m8,   

    What stakes do you play m8........how mutch money do you make? not mutch i take it players like you are prop stuck in a rut, afraid of taking chances, and are not progressing their game.
  • edited August 2011

    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Did I say that? those are strong words m8,    What stakes do you play m8........how mutch money do you make? not mutch i take it players like you are prop stuck in a rut, afraid of taking chances, and are not progressing their game.
    Posted by WHOAMI196
    What has this got to do with how much money I make and what levels I play at ?

    You came into a discussion about microstakes cash to tell people to forget playing microstakes cash and concentrate on SnG's and HU.

    If you need to improve your cash game and  you're not rolled to play any higher levels then surely the best advice is to play NL4.


    You can be more aggressive at taking shots at the next level once you're happy enough with your cash game.
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary :  On a side point, some people just play for fun and actually don't WANT to move up the levels and play 4NL, leave them to it.
    Posted by Lambert180
    what u talkin about? im not referring to peeps who play for fun but players like don, Nl4 is not the best route to build a bankroll nor to enhance your poker attributes, its just mindless button pressing.
  • edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : What has this got to do with how much money I make and what levels I play at ? You came into a discussion about microstakes cash to tell people to forget playing microstakes cash and concentrate on SnG's and HU. If you need to improve your cash game and  you're not rolled to play any higher levels then surely the best advice is to play NL4. You can be more aggressive at taking shots at the next level once you're happy enough with your cash game.
    Posted by AcidMan27
    do you play NL4? if yes then this prove my point, you have over thousand posts here so i take it you have been here a while? Question is why are you still on NL4?

    cash and sns are different granted, but theres more thinking in sit n gos at lower levels, thinking that helps with cash as well as sng
  • edited August 2011
    He's tried loads of times before to beat nl4, and failed.

    He's got no chance playing higher up if he can't beat this level, it's just something you gotta do. 

    It's easy, should only take a month tops.

  • edited August 2011
    Well lets say you can't afford to put £100 into a website as I said. What do you do? Sit at a level of cash where you can only afford 2-3 BIs? Or do you sit somewhere where you can afford 10-20 BIs and learn skills like adapting your game to the players on your table. For instance, the likes of things you see on High Stakes Poker from Negreanu would not work at 4NL and no doubt if he played at 4NL, he'd see how they play and adjust his game to a strategy that works. The same strategy that most regs are using at 4NL now.
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