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taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

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  • edited September 2011
    QQ - hate that sort of hand it's like how can he have KK lol

    JJ - Good dicipline preflop, I personally would like to think I'd fold river as it's SO big.

    AJ - yh fold to 2nd raise but post is fine.
  • edited September 2011
    Get in there 'TheDon'

    Wd mate keep it up and as has been said dont worry if ya get a few coolers , it will happen , it does to everyone
  • edited September 2011
    Just a quick question about the JJ hand you lost on the Q high board.

    Why not C-bet? Only 1 over card alot of the time your goingo t have the best hand here aren't u?

    btw i think its an easy fold come the river shove
  • edited September 2011

    Regarding the JJ hand on the Q high board.

    I dont c-bet simply because im not the raiser. Im flatting a 3-bet. Was considering the 4-bet pre wasnt sure.

    The river. Now he villian had been doing this alot so i didnt think it was at all strong. Once the other guy folded i called. And made a note.

  • edited September 2011
    Day 3

    small evening session, didnt go brilliant, think i landed in a small profit. However never could get going. Some hands are in clinic wont re-post em.

    Winning hands
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Isla-J Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £2.50
    BillyWiz68 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £1.95
     Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
       
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.20 £0.26 £4.42
    mildsteal0 Fold     
    slaterip Call  £0.20 £0.46 £0.90
    ky1eaj123 Call  £0.20 £0.66 £5.06
    Isla-J Call  £0.18 £0.84 £2.32
    BillyWiz68 All-in  £1.95 £2.79 £0.00
    The_Don90 All-in  £4.42 £7.21 £0.00
    slaterip All-in  £0.90 £8.11 £0.00
    ky1eaj123 Fold     
    Isla-J Fold     
    The_Don90 Unmatched bet  £2.63 £5.48 £2.63
    BillyWiz68 Show
    • A
    • A
       
    The_Don90 Show
    • Q
    • A
       
    slaterip Show
    • Q
    • K
       
    Flop
      
    • 6
    • A
    • 9
       
    Turn
      
    • 7
       
    River
      
    • 4
       
    The_Don90 Win Flush to the Ace £5.06  £7.69
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    TONTOB Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.48
    The_Don90 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £4.39
    bludreid11 Sit out     
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
       
    FishFeast Fold     
    hanad Call  £0.04 £0.10 £6.17
    JackoG9 Raise  £0.20 £0.30 £6.77
    TONTOB Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.80 £1.10 £3.59
    hanad Fold     
    JackoG9 Raise  £1.80 £2.90 £4.97
    The_Don90 All-in  £3.59 £6.49 £0.00
    JackoG9 Fold     
    The_Don90 Muck     
    The_Don90 Win  £4.06  £4.06
    The_Don90 Return  £2.43 £0.00 £6.49
    Lucky in one and wtf in the other.



    Losing hands.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_Don90 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.92
    rancid Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £6.54
     Your hole cards
    • 9
    • 9
       
    keighley30 All-in  £2.15 £2.21 £0.00
    cheland Fold     
    33allin Fold     
    The_Don90 All-in  £3.92 £6.13 £0.00
    rancid Fold     
    The_Don90 Unmatched bet  £1.79 £4.34 £1.79
    The_Don90 Show
    • 9
    • 9
       
    keighley30 Show
    • 2
    • A
       
    Flop
      
    • 3
    • 8
    • 2
       
    Turn
      
    • 2
       
    River
      
    • J
       
    keighley30 Win Three 2s £4.01  £4.01
    Closing Balance: £105.53

    Need to get another good session tbh, however made a few mistakes today and the Aces hand above still baffles me as to how i dont get the max.
  • edited September 2011
    2nd AA - How the hell can he fold that !!?

    99 - I personally don't like reshove there, 54bb's is pretty big and I'd want at least 10's maybe even JJ or solid reads he does this VERY light which I presume you must do ?
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    2nd AA - How the hell can he fold that !!? 99 - I personally don't like reshove there, 54bb's is pretty big and I'd want at least 10's maybe even JJ or solid reads he does this VERY light which I presume you must do ?
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    yea i do. same vill from the JJ hand in the clinic mate. He was consistantly shoving. Rancid i know is only ever calling with better which is an issue, but i felt shoving im over repping my hand and therefore might get him off TT/JJ (dont think he folds QQ+) and isolating the fish to myself.
  • edited September 2011
    Day 2 - Update


    winning hands
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    wavey77 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £2.06
    fisheyboy1 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £7.17
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
       
    redeyeraff Raise  £0.12 £0.18 £3.76
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.44 £0.62 £3.56
    swordsman Fold     
    wavey77 Call  £0.42 £1.04 £1.64
    fisheyboy1 Fold     
    redeyeraff Call  £0.32 £1.36 £3.44
    Flop
      
    • Q
    • K
    • 6
       
    wavey77 Check     
    redeyeraff Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  £1.36 £2.72 £2.20
    wavey77 Call  £1.36 £4.08 £0.28
    redeyeraff Fold     
    Turn
      
    • 4
       
    wavey77 All-in  £0.28 £4.36 £0.00
    The_Don90 Call  £0.28 £4.64 £1.92
    wavey77 Show
    • 5
    • 5
       
    The_Don90 Show
    • K
    • A
       
    River
      
    • Q
       
    The_Don90 Win Two Pairs, Kings and Queens £4.29  £6.21
    this guy was crazy below hense call
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_Don90 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.16
    TRAX Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £2.32
     Your hole cards
    • 8
    • A
       
    slimy101 Call  £0.04 £0.10 £6.39
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.18 £0.28 £3.98
    TRAX Call  £0.16 £0.44 £2.16
    slimy101 Fold     
    Flop
      
    • 7
    • K
    • 8
       
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.33 £0.77 £3.65
    TRAX Raise  £0.66 £1.43 £1.50
    The_Don90 Call  £0.33 £1.76 £3.32
    Turn
      
    • 7
       
    The_Don90 Check     
    TRAX All-in  £1.50 £3.26 £0.00
    The_Don90 Call  £1.50 £4.76 £1.82
    The_Don90 Show
    • 8
    • A
       
    TRAX Show
    • 5
    • 9
       
    River
      
    • 3
       
    The_Don90 Win Two Pairs, 8s and 7s £4.40  £6.22

    losing hands
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_Don90 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.88
    swordsman Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.79
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
       
    JimmyWigle Fold     
    wavey77 Call  £0.04 £0.10 £3.13
    fisheyboy1 Call  £0.04 £0.14 £3.14
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.32 £0.46 £3.56
    swordsman Fold     
    wavey77 Fold     
    fisheyboy1 Call  £0.30 £0.76 £2.84
    Flop
      
    • 5
    • A
    • 8
       
    The_Don90 Bet  £0.76 £1.52 £2.80
    fisheyboy1 Call  £0.76 £2.28 £2.08
    Turn
      
    • 9
       
    The_Don90 Bet  £2.28 £4.56 £0.52
    fisheyboy1 All-in  £2.08 £6.64 £0.00
    The_Don90 Unmatched bet  £0.20 £6.44 £0.72
    The_Don90 Show
    • A
    • K
       
    fisheyboy1 Show
    • 7
    • 6
       
    River
      
    • 2
       
    fisheyboy1 Win Straight to the 9 £5.95  £5.95
    FU underraise rule
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_Don90 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £6.95
    d2d Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £0.51
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
       
    jamboken Call  £0.04 £0.10 £7.30
    ryderroo Call  £0.04 £0.14 £3.11
    The_Don90 Raise  £0.28 £0.42 £6.67
    d2d All-in  £0.51 £0.93 £0.00
    jamboken Call  £0.51 £1.44 £6.79
    ryderroo Call  £0.51 £1.95 £2.60
    The_Don90 Call  £0.25 £2.20 £6.42
    Flop
      
    • 6
    • 3
    • 9
       
    The_Don90 Bet  £2.20 £4.40 £4.22
    jamboken All-in  £6.79 £11.19 £0.00
    ryderroo Fold     
    The_Don90 All-in  £4.22 £15.41 £0.00
    jamboken Unmatched bet  £0.37 £15.04 £0.37
    The_Don90 Show
    • K
    • K
       
    d2d Show
    • 10
    • Q
       
    jamboken Show
    • 6
    • 7
       
    Turn
      
    • 5
       
    River
      
    • 4
       
    jamboken Win Straight to the 7 £13.91  £14.28
    closing balance: £93.17


    This session proves that to BEAT NL4 YOU HAVE TO RUN GOOD. SERIOSLY Flop a set, lose to back door straight. KK lose to Back door straight.

    I Quit.
  • edited September 2011
    LOL

    15/9

    Really think im starting to get there now. This level is getting easier by the session and everything is becomming more and more natural.

    17/9

    OMG Lost some hands I QUIT.

    Don seriously if you cant sort this out then poker really isn't the game for you.  None of the hands that you hvae lost with, while are tilting, are not out of the ordinary.  I play a LOT of poker and have these kind of things happen to me multiple times a day but you just gotta suck it up and deal with it.

    You really should quit.  If you can't handle losing 4BIs at NL4 then theres no point in playing as you'll never be able to move up, as imagine how tilted you'll get at losing 4BIs at NL20 for example.

    My advice really is to quit now and maybe just play the odd MTT.  Without meaning to sound rude or anything but this is bordering on the ridiculous that someone who plays/reads/watches as much poker as you can't handle a 4BI swing.  I've read on here that you say you have tilt issues, fair enough, we all do, but 4BIs really isn't something to tilt about.
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    LOL 15/9 Really think im starting to get there now. This level is getting easier by the session and everything is becomming more and more natural. 17/9 OMG Lost some hands I QUIT. Don seriously if you cant sort this out then poker really isn't the game for you.  None of the hands that you hvae lost with, while are tilting, are not out of the ordinary.  I play a LOT of poker and have these kind of things happen to me multiple times a day but you just gotta suck it up and deal with it. You really should quit.  If you can't handle losing 4BIs at NL4 then theres no point in playing as you'll never be able to move up, as imagine how tilted you'll get at losing 4BIs at NL20 for example. My advice really is to quit now and maybe just play the odd MTT.  Without meaning to sound rude or anything but this is bordering on the ridiculous that someone who plays/reads/watches as much poker as you can't handle a 4BI swing.  I've read on here that you say you have tilt issues, fair enough, we all do, but 4BIs really isn't something to tilt about.
    Posted by scotty77
    Agreed there isnt anything within those calling hands that would be unusual at higher levels, Q10 suited connectors etc etc. The big difference is you get a lot more multi way action meaning suckouts are inevitable. With your game you should be playing at higher levels. NL20 only requires a br of £400 which isnt a lot these days.

    I am learning to cope with the emotions and the injustices of suckouts(not very well I might add). JJ recomended the mental game of poker which I will order. Coping with whats going on in your head can make the difference between being a break even/small profit poker player to crushing the game.

  • edited September 2011
    AK - Yes he's called a 32p raise pre wiv 7 high then called pot bet on flop with straight draw and hit, why is this bad for us ? lol

    KK - Good raise pre I make it more. On flop you have a guy shoving all in with 2nd pair no kicker, again why is this bad for us ? lol

    Seriously Don with £93.17 you have more than 20 BI's and hence will NEVER go broke, it's just impossible, yes you'll have run bad like here but most nights you print money in these hands, so just chill out and get back to it asap !
  • edited September 2011
    Kinda gotta agree with scotty here as ya run gd  and then suddenly a few suckouts and its that 'QUIT' word comin out again.

    Acegooner i have no doubt that thedon IS gd enough to play nl20 BUT wtf is gonna happen when he loses a few decent sized pots at that level ??
  • edited September 2011
    hmmmmm to be honest xD Don shouldnt be quiting, ive watched him play loads and he plays the game so perfect, yes he gets emotional when making the right calls and having it shoved right in his face and then sucking out,
    but lets take a look at the hands
    hand 1 he will hit his open end straight draw - 32% of the time so thats almost 1:3
    you offered him 1:2 odds, he didnt have the odds to call, you keep playing like that it will make you profitable,
    as for pre flop you offered him again 1:2 odds, for suited connectors to be profitable you would have to have at least 4-5 limpers so he will lose alot more money

    Hand 2
    this guy i dont even think was planning on a straight, i think he looked at his cards and decided middle pair was good, but lets quickly look at his odds

    again you gave him 1:2 pot odds, this means he would need to beat you everytime to be profitable
    his odds of improving his hand was
    i believe its 1:5 pot odds of improving his own hand, however since you had kings, hes only got 1:10 odds approx,


    In the long run, keep making these calls your in for a lot of profit, this is just one of those days
  • edited September 2011
    Don, after a bad night you're still 15 BI's up in a little under a month and you're thinking of quitting?
  • edited September 2011
    Don please look back on previous motivational messages i bothered to type out because i wanted to to encourage you. They still apply. What that Scotty cat off the telly said just then is absolutely right imo. PLEASE give it some SERIOUS thought.
    One thing i do want you to think about is the nature of the strategy you use. It is absolutely good and i am NOT saying otherwise. However it can have a downside. The 5x raise. The reason that Dohhh is advocating it is because at nl4 the skill level is poor on the whole. It works for 2 simple reasons. 1/ Over time it is designed to obtain maximum value from the weaker hands being played. It generates a dynamic that see stax getting shipped on the river for super return. This is good. A simple and effective battering ram. 2/ It seriously discourages your weaker opponents from calling and reduces the possibility of playing multi way pots. You don't want this. Coupled with reason 1 then over time you have the simple recipe for beating nl4.
    The problems start when you're not running well. Th 5x raise through bad variance will see you lose a lot sometimes. The effect designed for your opponents can sting you esp. when you QUITE CORRECTLY c-bet the vast majority of the time. People are getting incredible pot odds and poorer players that don't understand the value of their draws correctly are gonna stack you because of this whole 5x dynamic. Sometimes they are getting the right price too. This is why you don't see it played at higher levels 100bbs deep.
    So you  can see that because it increases profit it can also increase loss. Thru variance. You need to know how to play post flop carefully sometimes ( pot, pot ? ) and recognise when you are running bad AND NOT TO TILT BECAUSE OF IT. Over time it is a winning strategy. You need to understand why maybe.
    When you made good profit the other day when i watched you i said you appeared to be playing well AND running well. You should feel good when you minimise losses too and not just when you win a big pot.
    I am a fishy myself so Dohhhh may well correct me on some of this. You need to really think about why you do things and how it affects you.
    You have come too far now to turn back so don't you dare fkn quit !!!!!!!!!!!
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    hand 1 he will hit his open end straight draw - 32% of the time so thats almost 1:3 you offered him 1:2 (2-1)odds, he didnt have the odds to call, you keep playing like that it will make you profitable, as for pre flop you offered him again 1:2 (2-1) odds, for suited connectors to be profitable you would have to have at least 4-5 limpers so he will lose alot more money
    Posted by sillymunch
    i just want to help here as i think the math is wrong, the percentage the vilain has (67) to win from the flop to river is about 21%, from turn to river he picks up a few outs so his new percentage is 26% but this is irrelivant to the hand as it went all in on the flop.

    so oppo will only win from flop to river about 1 in 5 times. don bets pot on the flop and the oppo is offered 2-1 odds 33% so he is getting a terrible price to call with only 21% equity, but the oppo shoves (bad but not as bad as calling) .... so math is irrelivant here from dons perspective as he has to snap call.

    i hope this helps, im at work so no poker stove, me thinks thats right
  • edited September 2011

    I think/hope Don just meant he was quitting for the session.......

    If not you can claim that that's what u meant Don!

    If you did mean you're quitting for good, then I dunno, I cba to try and make you see sense again, it's just saying the same thing every single time you have a losing session. 

    Maybe you shouldn't post in your diary immediately after a losing session.

  • edited September 2011
    maybe you should drink copious amounts of alcohol when playing don. it numbs the pain of bad beats (and bad play)  lost the same amount of bis than you did last night(and a bit more money),but i went to bed giggling last night knowing i played like a plonker.  go watch the news and see them poor miners familys and mate it puts a few losses in poker right back into perspective!
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    maybe you should drink copious amounts of alcohol when playing don. it numbs the pain of bad beats (and bad play)  lost the same amount of bis than you did last night(and a bit more money),but i went to bed giggling last night knowing i played like a plonker.  go watch the news and see them poor miners familys and mate it puts a few losses in poker right back into perspective!
    Posted by pod1
    +1
  • edited September 2011
    ps don has said on fb last night he is just having a day off.
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    maybe you should drink copious amounts of alcohol when playing don. it numbs the pain of bad beats (and bad play)  lost the same amount of bis than you did last night(and a bit more money),but i went to bed giggling last night knowing i played like a plonker.  go watch the news and see them poor miners familys and mate it puts a few losses in poker right back into perspective!
    Posted by pod1
    Schadenfreude  is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others. This doesn't have to be purely malicious it can also be comparative. Try to  take every precaution not to slip into a moral malaise Pod1  ;)
    I drank a bottle of wine last night and tried out my first mting in mini view with tiling. Struggled with the format but after 2 hrs was about 40p up and earned 100 pts at nl4. See you in Rio ;) I thought it was a good session as i didn't run well at all.
    Useful experience tho. My eyesight isn't brilliant and to see all the tables at same time is a bit mad. Can't help but reviewing others play on other tables whilst playing hands/ timing out on another. Must focus !!!  It's so much easier playing 8 on UB than 4 on here. Like everything it takes getting used to i guess. How long did it take you Pod1 ?
    Plus i can't play UB anymore :( i wonder if i'll ever get my money or whether they will reinstate rakeback ? At least i didn't have anything at FT and i'm not in a miners family i suppose  :)
  • edited September 2011
    Don get a grip lol
    This happens in poker against bad players, guy called my AK 4 bet shove with 65s and hit two pr.

    Our job is not to wonder why these players call wide and light but just to take advantage when they don't hit so golden, which is more often than not.

    We want these players to call light and wide every single day of the week.

    Hand just played as I'am typing this - variance Don variance
    If the hand played out another way on the flop I am sure all the money would be in the middle
    But I kinda lost the minimum _)
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    twist15931 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £1.96
    GHOST78 Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £1.88
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
         
    alllgood27 Fold        
    rancid Raise   £0.20 £0.26 £1.66
    saltz Fold        
    twist15931 Fold        
    GHOST78 Call   £0.16 £0.42 £1.72
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 9
    • Q
         
    GHOST78 Check        
    rancid Check        
    Turn
       
    • Q
         
    GHOST78 Check        
    rancid Check        
    River
       
    • 7
         
    GHOST78 Bet   £0.21 £0.63 £1.51
    rancid Call   £0.21 £0.84 £1.45
    GHOST78 Show
    • K
    • Q
         
    rancid Muck
    • A
    • A
         
    GHOST78 Win Three Queens £0.77   £2.28
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    Day 2 - Update winning hands Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance wavey77 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £2.06 fisheyboy1 Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £7.17   Your hole cards K A       redeyeraff Raise   £0.12 £0.18 £3.76 The_Don90 Raise   £0.44 £0.62 £3.56 swordsman Fold         wavey77 Call   £0.42 £1.04 £1.64 fisheyboy1 Fold         redeyeraff Call   £0.32 £1.36 £3.44 Flop     Q K 6       wavey77 Check         redeyeraff Check         The_Don90 Bet   £1.36 £2.72 £2.20 wavey77 Call   £1.36 £4.08 £0.28 redeyeraff Fold         Turn     4       wavey77 All-in   £0.28 £4.36 £0.00 The_Don90 Call   £0.28 £4.64 £1.92 wavey77 Show 5 5       The_Don90 Show K A       River     Q       The_Don90 Win Two Pairs, Kings and Queens £4.29   £6.21 this guy was crazy below hense call Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance The_Don90 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £4.16 TRAX Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £2.32   Your hole cards 8 A       slimy101 Call   £0.04 £0.10 £6.39 The_Don90 Raise   £0.18 £0.28 £3.98 TRAX Call   £0.16 £0.44 £2.16 slimy101 Fold         Flop     7 K 8       The_Don90 Bet   £0.33 £0.77 £3.65 TRAX Raise   £0.66 £1.43 £1.50 The_Don90 Call   £0.33 £1.76 £3.32 Turn     7       The_Don90 Check         TRAX All-in   £1.50 £3.26 £0.00 The_Don90 Call   £1.50 £4.76 £1.82 The_Don90 Show 8 A       TRAX Show 5 9       River     3       The_Don90 Win Two Pairs, 8s and 7s £4.40   £6.22 losing hands Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance The_Don90 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £3.88 swordsman Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £3.79   Your hole cards A K       JimmyWigle Fold         wavey77 Call   £0.04 £0.10 £3.13 fisheyboy1 Call   £0.04 £0.14 £3.14 The_Don90 Raise   £0.32 £0.46 £3.56 swordsman Fold         wavey77 Fold         fisheyboy1 Call   £0.30 £0.76 £2.84 Flop     5 A 8       The_Don90 Bet   £0.76 £1.52 £2.80 fisheyboy1 Call   £0.76 £2.28 £2.08 Turn     9       The_Don90 Bet   £2.28 £4.56 £0.52 fisheyboy1 All-in   £2.08 £6.64 £0.00 The_Don90 Unmatched bet   £0.20 £6.44 £0.72 The_Don90 Show A K       fisheyboy1 Show 7 6       River     2       fisheyboy1 Win Straight to the 9 £5.95   £5.95 FU underraise rule Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance The_Don90 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £6.95 d2d Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £0.51   Your hole cards K K       jamboken Call   £0.04 £0.10 £7.30 ryderroo Call   £0.04 £0.14 £3.11 The_Don90 Raise   £0.28 £0.42 £6.67 d2d All-in   £0.51 £0.93 £0.00 jamboken Call   £0.51 £1.44 £6.79 ryderroo Call   £0.51 £1.95 £2.60 The_Don90 Call   £0.25 £2.20 £6.42 Flop     6 3 9       The_Don90 Bet   £2.20 £4.40 £4.22 jamboken All-in   £6.79 £11.19 £0.00 ryderroo Fold         The_Don90 All-in   £4.22 £15.41 £0.00 jamboken Unmatched bet   £0.37 £15.04 £0.37 The_Don90 Show K K       d2d Show 10 Q       jamboken Show 6 7       Turn     5       River     4       jamboken Win Straight to the 7 £13.91   £14.28 closing balance: £93.17 This session proves that to BEAT NL4 YOU HAVE TO RUN GOOD. SERIOSLY Flop a set, lose to back door straight. KK lose to Back door straight. I Quit.
    Posted by The_Don90
         

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  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : i just want to help here as i think the math is wrong, the percentage the vilain has (67) to win from the flop to river is about 21%, from turn to river he picks up a few outs so his new percentage is 26% but this is irrelivant to the hand as it went all in on the flop. so oppo will only win from flop to river about 1 in 5 times. don bets pot on the flop and the oppo is offered 2-1 odds 33% so he is getting a terrible price to call with only 21% equity, but the oppo shoves (bad but not as bad as calling) .... so math is irrelivant here from dons perspective as he has to snap call. i hope this helps, im at work so no poker stove, me thinks thats right
    Posted by WHOAMI196
    Hmmm i could be wrong but on hand 1, he has 8 outs, 9c 9d 9s 9h, 4c 4d 4s, 4h, so to calculate the odds you get 8 and times it by 4 :S dont you, making 32% he only needs to hit 1 of the cards to finish his straight xD
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    Don get a grip lol This happens in poker against bad players, guy called my AK 4 bet shove with 65s and hit two pr. Our job is not to wonder why these players call wide and light but just to take advantage when they don't hit so golden, which is more often than not. We want these players to call light and wide every single day of the week. Hand just played as I'am typing this - variance Don variance If the hand played out another way on the flop I am sure all the money would be in the middle But I kinda lost the minimum _) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance twist15931 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £1.96 GHOST78 Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £1.88   Your hole cards A A       alllgood27 Fold         rancid Raise   £0.20 £0.26 £1.66 saltz Fold         twist15931 Fold         GHOST78 Call   £0.16 £0.42 £1.72 Flop     3 9 Q       GHOST78 Check         rancid Check         Turn     Q       GHOST78 Check         rancid Check         River     7       GHOST78 Bet   £0.21 £0.63 £1.51 rancid Call   £0.21 £0.84 £1.45 GHOST78 Show K Q       rancid Muck A A       GHOST78 Win Three Queens £0.77   £2.28
    Posted by rancid

    :O:O:O:O:O:O

    Just fainted.

    Give me half a good reason why you wouldn't bet this flop!!!!


  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : :O:O:O:O:O:O Just fainted. Give me half a good reason why you wouldn't bet this flop!!!!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Passive i know but flop is not a worry and I want him to catch up a little
    not my normal line but hey ho
    If he bets flop money is all in, but tbh when he bets on the end he can only be betting queen or bluff, no point in raising he conly calling with a queen.
    Plus I am short stacking as there all short so, need him to commit before I stack him rarther than the other way round, kinda works playing short stack tables at this hour of the day


  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary : Hmmm i could be wrong but on hand 1, he has 8 outs, 9c 9d 9s 9h, 4c 4d 4s, 4h, so to calculate the odds you get 8 and times it by 4 :S dont you, making 32% he only needs to hit 1 of the cards to finish his straight xD
    Posted by sillymunch

    soz bud i though you were on about the kk hand, i am blind in one ear lol.. ;)

  • edited September 2011
    i dont see the connection between what i said and "schadenfreude" black mass. how can anyone gain pleasure from losing in poker when put along side a tragedy like that! they are both painful things ,both negitive. i have 2 young children who fight and scream over trivial things.to them it is important, to adults its trivial. its all perspective. don knows he has a problem with tiltin, he is a very good poker player as you know,but until he gets past this hurdle moving up is  not an option.some people need kid gloves, some need an iron fist and some just need things put in context.
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 diary:
    [QUOTE]i dont see the connection between what i said and "schadenfreude" black mass. how can anyone gain pleasure from losing in poker when put along side a tragedy like that! they are both painful things ,both negitive. i have 2 young children who fight and scream over trivial things.to them it is important, to adults its trivial. its all perspective. don knows he has a problem with tiltin, he is a very good poker player as you know,but until he gets past this hurdle moving up is  not an option.some people need kid gloves, some need an iron fist and some just need things put in context.
    Posted by pod1

    It's if a person says that they should be happy as their problems are not as bad as others that's all man.
    Relatively speaking they are taking pleasure from other peoples misfortunes. Just semantics. No trouble.
    The_Don90 does have tilt issues. I think though this has much to do with his expectations, which will change with experience. He needs to get the experience first tho which he threatens to hijack thru quitting fairly regularly.
    For most people losing provides that experience. The problems i had when i started playing i had to sort out in my head on my own with no forums, gurus like Dohhhh etc. I was motivated by the fact that i deeply resented the fact that i was naive and being exploited. I wasn't going to let those ****€r$  make me re-deposit. I didn't give up and soon turned it around to force regs to do what i wanted instead. Then i was a reg.
    My determination level was 100% no messing. I am a very harsh critic of myself too. I'd sit down for 14 hrs str8. Day in, day out. There is a lot to be said for the 10,000 hour idea.
    In some ways the diary might put pressure on The_Don90. Maybe he thinks that people want to read stories of him winning 10 bi's every day because he's a winner and his opponents are all fish. It isn't like that at all. I'm not certain if he should drink and play too. The reason i stay at lo stakes is because i drink a lot and play. I like it that way. But i have drank a lot for a long time. That takes practise too. Is Don like early 20's or something ? He needs to experiment with changing a few things maybe ? Like attitude ?
  • edited September 2011
    Can i confirm i was on tilt and im just finnishing for a little while. feeling a little better today.
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