taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

PiAnOpLaYa · October 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

@ pianoplaya - got it. I started with 8 quid at NL4 so i am used to being stuck at one level for ages. ;-) @ Dudeskin - lmao, dunno where my 'pound' sign is on this damn keyboard so have resigned myself to the fact that i have to use dollars. It tilts me too but i dont know how to change it, i think the keyboard settings were set up incorrectly on this darn laptop. Sorry. !@#$%^&*()_+{}|":< />?|\`~[]\';,./+-*/ See, no quid sign. Frickin annoys me!
Posted by DrSharp

change keyboard language from english us then

The_Don90 · October 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

@ Don - he had KK here well done to the dealer but what if he has AK, wouldn't getting it in pre be better ? @ Sharp - You don't need £260 to start playing NL10, imo £220 is more than enough maybe less. Oh and you play with POUNDS on Sky not DOLLARS ££££££££££££££££££££, sorry it's tilted me for a while now.
Posted by Dudeskin8

This is actually why im disappointed with the hand tbh.

When i flat pre im turning my hand into a set mine without the correct odds. Although in posision. If i felt he had AK i should then raise the flop. As far as im consearned not doing that im allowing AK to double barrel. Secondly by the turn i beat AK and Jacks and nothing else. Which imo makes my call pretty bad here.

Maybe im being a little harsh on myself but i really feel i played pre, flop and turn badly. River plays itself

stien · October 2011

Don the hand I was using as an example was your AAhd v A8cc and J9o from the previous page (I tried to copy it but had a mare), you open 4x which is fine, although as I said I would suggest trying 5x/6x, why because they call and you expect to win a high percentage of the pots when opening AA, therefore you want to make the pot bigger to win more when you take it down. When raising with QQ+ you want to get the money in fast as a one pair hand/AK that hits is vulnurable, a bigger opening raise size helps acomplish this.

For example looking at NL 10, assume you start with £10 and go bet, bet, bet

Raise 4x pre get two callers pot is 3 x 40 + 15 = £1.35

3/4 pot flop bet = £1.01, get one caller pot is £3.37

3/4 pot turn bet = £2.52, get one caller pot is £8.41

River you have £6.07 so you shove, less than a pot size bet but still 72% pot

Raise 5x pre get two callers pot is 3 x 50 + 15 = £1.65

3/4 pot flop bet = £1.23, get one caller pot is £3.81

3/4 pot turn bet = £2.85, get one caller pot is £9.51 - 11 big blinds more than the 4x raise at this point

River you have £5.42 so you shove, now only 57% of pot

Raise 5x pre get two callers pot is 3 x 50 + 15 = £1.65

Pot sized flop bet = £1.65, get one caller pot is £4.95

Pot sized turn bet = £4.95, get one caller pot is £14.85 - 64 big blinds more than the 4x raise at this point

River you have £2.90 so you shove, he's not folding much unless he's missed his draw.

The other relevant point is your equity v 2 villains in the hand above AA v 2 villains.

Preflop you have 72% equity v both hands

On the flop you have 63% v both hands

On the turn you have 59% v both hands

Your not a huge favourite post flop so you should be charging them more and getting the money in faster whilst thay have a draw to catch. As played on the river you are still putting the money in on the 3rd club, it would have been better to have got most if not all the money in on the turn whilst you were still likely best and whilst the draws will still call. Svenstr8s had £3.67 left on the river that you were never going to win as played, if he misses his flush draw he folds the river and when he hits he's sticking it in but your not getting it. £3.67 may not sound like much but it's 45 bb at this level with 8p bb's, at nl100 its like leaving £45 on the table.

These were the points I was trying to make.

The_Don90 · October 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

Don the hand I was using as an example was your AAhd v A8cc and J9o from the previous page (I tried to copy it but had a mare), you open 4x which is fine, although as I said I would suggest trying 5x/6x, why because they call and you expect to win a high percentage of the pots when opening AA, therefore you want to make the pot bigger to win more when you take it down. When raising with QQ+ you want to get the money in fast as a one pair hand/AK that hits is vulnurable, a bigger opening raise size helps acomplish this. For example looking at NL 10, assume you start with £10 and go bet, bet, bet Raise 4x pre get two callers pot is 3 x 40 + 15 = £1.35 3/4 pot flop bet = £1.01, get one caller pot is £3.37 3/4 pot turn bet = £2.52, get one caller pot is £8.41 River you have £6.07 so you shove, less than a pot size bet but still 72% pot Raise 5x pre get two callers pot is 3 x 50 + 15 = £1.65 3/4 pot flop bet = £1.23, get one caller pot is £3.81 3/4 pot turn bet = £2.85, get one caller pot is £9.51 - 11 big blinds more than the 4x raise at this point River you have £5.42 so you shove, now only 57% of pot Raise 5x pre get two callers pot is 3 x 50 + 15 = £1.65 Pot sized flop bet = £1.65, get one caller pot is £4.95 Pot sized turn bet = £4.95, get one caller pot is £14.85 - 64 big blinds more than the 4x raise at this point River you have £2.90 so you shove, he's not folding much unless he's missed his draw. The other relevant point is your equity v 2 villains in the hand above AA v 2 villains. Preflop you have 72% equity v both hands On the flop you have 63% v both hands On the turn you have 59% v both hands Your not a huge favourite post flop so you should be charging them more and getting the money in faster whilst thay have a draw to catch. As played o n the river you are still putting the money in on the 3rd club, it would have been better to have got most if not all the money in on the turn whilst you were still likely best and whilst the draws will still call. Svenstr8s had £3.67 left on the river that you were never going to win as played, if he misses his flush draw he folds the river and when he hits he's sticking it in but your not getting it. £3.67 may not sound like much but it's 45 bb at this level with 8p bb's, at nl100 its like leaving £45 on the table. These were the points I was trying to make.
Posted by stien

Ah ty for getting back. Yeah this makes much more sense i was looking for ur examples lol. ty.

The_Don90 · October 2011

17th Oct

Tea time

Disaster, 3 UKOPs sats, 3 bubbles while 70% fav and yeah cash went well too.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
spyda	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£4.92
les1974	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£7.55
	Your hole cards	10 A
The_Don90	Raise		£0.50	£0.65	£9.30
MELfeaAYR	Call		£0.50	£1.15	£25.18
tez104	Fold
trumpet1	Fold
spyda	Fold
les1974	Call		£0.40	£1.55	£7.15
Flop
		Q 8 A
les1974	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£1.55	£3.10	£7.75
MELfeaAYR	Call		£1.55	£4.65	£23.63
les1974	Fold
Turn
		3
The_Don90	Bet		£4.65	£9.30	£3.10
MELfeaAYR	Fold
The_Don90	Muck
The_Don90	Win		£4.30		£7.40
The_Don90	Return		£4.65	£0.35	£12.05

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
duonross	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£6.83
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£10.22
	Your hole cards	3 3
WUBBZY1401	Fold
SkiItaly	Fold
1xxxxxxxx1	Fold
duonross	Raise		£0.25	£0.40	£6.58
The_Don90	Call		£0.20	£0.60	£10.02
Flop
		6 4 3
duonross	Bet		£0.45	£1.05	£6.13
The_Don90	Raise		£1.20	£2.25	£8.82
duonross	Raise		£2.25	£4.50	£3.88
The_Don90	All-in		£8.82	£13.32	£0.00
duonross	Fold
The_Don90	Muck
The_Don90	Win		£5.55		£5.55
The_Don90	Return		£7.32	£0.45	£12.87

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£9.35
moorey80	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£6.92
	Your hole cards	A Q
Beardy01	Fold
Chidders	Fold
GT380	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£8.65
whatsth811	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£9.06
The_Don90	Raise		£0.45	£0.80	£8.90
moorey80	Fold
GT380	Fold
whatsth811	Call		£0.40	£1.20	£8.66
Flop
		8 4 A
The_Don90	Bet		£1.20	£2.40	£7.70
whatsth811	Call		£1.20	£3.60	£7.46
Turn
		10
The_Don90	Bet		£3.60	£7.20	£4.10
whatsth811	Call		£3.60	£10.80	£3.86
River
		7
The_Don90	All-in		£4.10	£14.90	£0.00
whatsth811	All-in		£3.86	£18.76	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£0.24	£18.52	£0.24
The_Don90	Show	A Q
whatsth811	Show	4 A
whatsth811	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and 4s	£17.13		£17.13

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
MELfeaAYR	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£20.94
tez104	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£12.06
	Your hole cards	K A
heddoh18	Raise		£0.30	£0.45	£7.60
spyda	Fold
les1974	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£10.40
The_Don90	Raise		£1.10	£1.85	£8.60
MELfeaAYR	Fold
tez104	Fold
heddoh18	All-in		£7.60	£9.45	£0.00
les1974	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£6.80	£16.25	£1.80
heddoh18	Show	10 10
The_Don90	Show	K A
Flop
		Q 2 5
Turn
		6
River
		6
heddoh18	Win	Two Pairs, 10s and 6s	£15.03		£15.03

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
poker777	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£11.79
Amycakes	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£8.42
	Your hole cards	Q Q
SINGA	Fold
inlikeflyn	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£8.34
The_Don90	Raise		£0.50	£0.75	£9.35
poker777	Call		£0.45	£1.20	£11.34
Amycakes	Fold
inlikeflyn	Call		£0.40	£1.60	£7.94
Flop
		5 10 9
poker777	Check
inlikeflyn	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£1.60	£3.20	£7.75
poker777	Fold
inlikeflyn	Call		£1.60	£4.80	£6.34
Turn
		6
inlikeflyn	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£4.80	£9.60	£2.95
inlikeflyn	Call		£4.80	£14.40	£1.54
River
		K
inlikeflyn	All-in		£1.54	£15.94	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£1.54	£17.48	£1.41
inlikeflyn	Show	9 K
The_Don90	Show	Q Q
inlikeflyn	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 9s	£16.16		£16.16

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
les1974	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£7.10
The_Don90	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£11.95
	Your hole cards	J J
MELfeaAYR	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£23.53
tez104	Fold
trumpet1	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£1.20
spyda	Call		£0.10	£0.45	£4.82
les1974	Raise		£0.45	£0.90	£6.65
The_Don90	Raise		£2.00	£2.90	£9.95
MELfeaAYR	Fold
trumpet1	All-in		£1.20	£4.10	£0.00
spyda	Fold
les1974	Call		£1.60	£5.70	£5.05
Flop
		5 7 Q
les1974	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£5.70	£11.40	£4.25
les1974	All-in		£5.05	£16.45	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£0.65	£15.80	£4.90
les1974	Show	Q A
The_Don90	Show	J J
trumpet1	Show	10 10
Turn
		7
River
		4
les1974	Win	Two Pairs, Queens and 7s	£14.61		£14.61

Closing Balance: £161.74

back to NL8 i guess. Really taking a battering. FML.

Might as well give up. If i cant beat NL10 what can i beat.

DOHHHHHHH · October 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

17th Oct Tea time Disaster, 3 UKOPs sats, 3 bubbles while 70% fav and yeah cash went well too.Really taking a battering. FML. Might as well give up. If i cant beat NL10 what can i beat.
Posted by The_Don90

NL4 and NL8......

Mon the Don

The_Don90 · October 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : NL4 and NL8...... Mon the Don
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

id rather quit. ive not worked this hard to grind for pennies a day. 2 years work and studying the game and i still cant beat passive fish. Woohoo. Really shows what a good player i am.

gg.

Poker_Fail · October 2011

If i cant beat NL10 what can i beat.
Posted by The_Don90

Play at nl8 until you have enough for nl20, it's easier

scotty77 · October 2011

stop focusing on what levels you should be playing within your roll

multitabling 20BIs is way too short anwyay

just play good tables.

id rather play a 30nl table with a load of bad players than a 100nl table full of regs, and i do that on a daily basis.

The_Don90 · October 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

stop focusing on what levels you should be playing within your roll multitabling 20BIs is way too short anwyay just play good tables. id rather play a 30nl table with a load of bad players than a 100nl table full of regs, and i do that on a daily basis.
Posted by scotty77

Ryan i dont fully understand ur post mate ive bolded what i do understand and am replying to.

I was considering going back to NL4 for a 100BI roll but Dohhhh said that would be too cautious curious on other opinions.

I agree id rather play worse players as clearly better players we have lesser an edge.

scotty77 · October 2011

what i mean is i think its bad to say 'i have 200 quid now, im gonna only play nl10' fair enough if the tables look good then sit and play but don't just play nl10 simply cos you feel that you are well rolled enough for it. sometimes i have a spread of tables between nl20 and nl200 and thats has nothing to do with my roll but because they are the tables where i think i have the most edge.

i see no reason why you cant play a mix of nl10/nl8/nl4

you should be looking for good tables

20bi is too short if you are playing 4 tables. 30-40 is fine imo but its also fine taking shots now and then.

Dudeskin8 · October 2011

Yh agree with Ryan, I'm (just about) rolled for NL20 now but I won't sit down with a bunch of nits where I have to either play poker or wait for coolers when I can play NL10 or even NL8 tables with awful mindless zombies who never fold a hand, only reason for persisting at NL20 mainly is for points but in terms of making cold cash I can do the same at NL10 quite easily.

Those hands you just posted were mainly just beats and spots you can't get away from, most times you'll end up good there

.

The_Don90 · October 2011

17th Oct

Night session

The drop back to NL8 was of mixed results but the recovery is on the way.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
brainer	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£4.19
TheRat1	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.35
	Your hole cards	4 4
The_Don90	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£5.90
FRESH2000	Raise		£0.40	£0.60	£3.98
k9bolx1	Fold
mjp123	Call		£0.40	£1.00	£7.47
brainer	Fold
TheRat1	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.32	£1.32	£5.58
Flop
		3 2 4
The_Don90	Check
FRESH2000	Bet		£0.88	£2.20	£3.10
mjp123	Call		£0.88	£3.08	£6.59
The_Don90	Raise		£3.85	£6.93	£1.73
FRESH2000	All-in		£3.10	£10.03	£0.00
mjp123	All-in		£6.59	£16.62	£0.00
The_Don90	All-in		£1.73	£18.35	£0.00
mjp123	Unmatched bet		£1.89	£16.46	£1.89
The_Don90	Show	4 4
FRESH2000	Show	A 10
mjp123	Show	2 2
Turn
		8
River
		10
The_Don90	Win	Three 4s	£15.22		£15.22

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£8.50
tennesee	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£2.73
	Your hole cards	Q K
jackandjoe	Fold
JackoG9	Fold
Gorey	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£3.00
Dazza426	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.36	£0.56	£8.14
tennesee	Call		£0.32	£0.88	£2.41
Gorey	Call		£0.32	£1.20	£2.68
Flop
		Q 7 5
The_Don90	Bet		£1.20	£2.40	£6.94
tennesee	Raise		£2.40	£4.80	£0.01
Gorey	Call		£2.40	£7.20	£0.28
The_Don90	Raise		£2.40	£9.60	£4.54
tennesee	All-in		£0.01	£9.61	£0.00
Gorey	All-in		£0.28	£9.89	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£0.92	£8.97	£5.46
The_Don90	Show	Q K
tennesee	Show	9 5
Gorey	Show	A K
Turn
		10
River
		2
The_Don90	Win	Flush to the King	£8.29		£13.75

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
JackoG9	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£7.88
United4Eva	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£4.55
	Your hole cards	K A
Dazza426	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£4.13
The_Don90	Raise		£0.48	£0.68	£15.22
dusithurt	Fold
jackandjoe	Raise		£0.88	£1.56	£3.54
JackoG9	Fold
United4Eva	Call		£0.80	£2.36	£3.75
Dazza426	Fold
The_Don90	All-in		£15.22	£17.58	£0.00
jackandjoe	All-in		£3.54	£21.12	£0.00
United4Eva	All-in		£3.75	£24.87	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£11.07	£13.80	£11.07
United4Eva	Show	J J
The_Don90	Show	K A
jackandjoe	Show	Q Q
Flop
		10 9 8
Turn
		A
River
		10
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and 10s	£12.76		£23.83

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
mala2227	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£9.82
lutman01	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£5.53
	Your hole cards	A K
brainer	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£5.41
TheRat1	Raise		£0.32	£0.52	£7.10
The_Don90	Raise		£1.28	£1.80	£16.70
mala2227	Fold
lutman01	Fold
brainer	Fold
TheRat1	Call		£0.96	£2.76	£6.14
Flop
		5 J A
TheRat1	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£2.76	£5.52	£13.94
TheRat1	Raise		£5.52	£11.04	£0.62
The_Don90	All-in		£13.94	£24.98	£0.00
TheRat1	All-in		£0.62	£25.60	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£10.56	£15.04	£10.56
TheRat1	Show	J J
The_Don90	Show	A K
Turn
		3
River
		4
TheRat1	Win	Three Jacks	£13.91		£13.91

Closing Balance: £175.70

Felt a little down starting this session and really took me a while to get into any sort of rythum. I think i gave NL10 a pretty hard go too soon. Noteless 6 tabling maybe wasnt the cleverest thing ive done on this jeourny. But ive learnt from it and i will return from it stornger. It may take a few more sessions to build confidence again.

unknown_username · October 2011

Yeah Don, have to agree regarding multi tabling, i got to 250 quid over the last couple of days or so but because i usually 3 or 4 table i am still unsure about putting 40 quid in play at NL10. Might just find a couple of easyish tables at NL4 or NL8 to go with a table or two of NL10 just to keep my % of br in play down.

Stick to NL8 until the 250 quid mark in my opinion if you are going to multi. Might be a bit nitty but it gives you that extra bit of cushioning to lean in to if things go wrong.

Dudeskin8 · October 2011

Wow, you started NL10 6-tabling !? I know it's hard to play less tables when you've played loads but I can't think you can make ANY notes whilst playing 6, it's basically all automotive stuff.

Just start with 2 mate and maybe add one more but try and make notes, even by looking at HH for pots bigger that 20bbs and getting reads when hands are shown.

rancid · October 2011

I think Scotty makes a really good point here.

Play players that are worse than you, whatever level that may be with within your roll
Pick your tables, find the easy money - it's not easy taking money from regs
Identify regs as number one priority and note them early doors

Don't play six tables of a level you have not beat yet, load up 2 x NL10 and 4 xNL4
If you starting with £230 at NL10 you need a good start, if you lose a couple of buy ins step back to NL8.

Focus Don, you seem to be such a rush

walesboy · October 2011

Don m8 you seem to have nl4 beat and possibly nl8. Not sure why you are so eager to get straight into nl10 and multi-table when a bad session, through no fault of your own, can see you lose a fair size of your roll.
I have sufficient roll to go to nl8 and (on the basis of BI's possibly nl10) but I've not moved up for a number of reasons:
1) I'm not playing that good at present
2) I am beating nl4 (although not today! KK v AA, JJ v KQ - it happens) and want to build up to a level where I can have a couple of bad sessions and it still not mean that I have to drop down. Advice given on the forum to do this due to point 1 I thought was correct and so doing it.
3) I am a BR nit!!!!

Personally I'd rather build up a very decent roll at the lower level so that moving up doesn't feel like I am risking so much if I lose a BI or 2. Don't get me wrong, now I'm taking it a bit more seriously the sooner I get off nl4 the better but if spending a bit longer on it now means I feel less pressure when I do move up it'll be worth it. (see point 3 above!!)

Keep focused m8. You've been doing great the past month or so since starting this thread.
Good luck
David

The_Don90 · October 2011

Looking back on yesterday. I did try and push myself way too much. The good thing is i am capable of making notes while on 6 tables. probably not as much as i needed but thats still some all the same. Ive picked out a couple of people who i suspect to be regs, and i also picked out some good value opponents. Although still one im very un decided on.

Although i have to say i was staggered by the amount of notes i seen labelled as NL4 and recent.

Anyways ive dropped back down but while im not playing i may consider even just watching NL10. I think i let a few coolers/bad beats get ontop of me yesterday and that isnt exactly ideal.

FAO Dudeskin i may look for you if your playing at somepoint on NL10 and see how you play it. Im not scouting on you but i wana know what im looking for and clearly i completely missed something yesterday.

The road to recovery may take a few days or weeks but i fully believe ill be rolled for NL10 again in no time. But i think i learnt something yesterday tbh.

harding10 · October 2011

Keep at it Don. Look at the positives you've achieved over the periiod of this diary. Turned £40 into over £200 so there's no doubt you are beating this.

I'm having similar problems mentally coping with the downswings, but like you each peak at the end of a good run is higher than my account has been before.

The_Don90 · October 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

Keep at it Don. Look at the positives you've achieved over the periiod of this diary. Turned £40 into over £200 so there's no doubt you are beating this. I'm having similar problems mentally coping with the downswings, but like you each peak at the end of a good run is higher than my account has been before.
Posted by harding10

Yeah defo. The problem i think is because of the amount of time ive spent studying the game guess sometimes i just expect the results to walk right on it. Lets face it ive never been the strongest poker player mentally and i know of at least one player who tries to use this to gain an edge on me. Thankfully i have strenthened over the period of the last 8 weeks and it doesnt bother me as much as it used to.

I just think maybe NL10 came a week before i was ready. I was a little on the cocky side moving up. Taking the attitude of, "ive beat NL4 and NL8 in 8 weeks, how hard can it be" Slap. Oh.

I think ive learnt far more than i could have from tournaments in this time. Not being dis-respectful for low stake tourny players but ive been there and done it. I know what it takes. Cash offered me a new challenge where i could improve on bits that tournaments can never teach you. Playing with money in play, turn and rivers, and possibly most important was the mental side of the game i felt i could develop more from cash that tournys.

I dont think theres any doupt im a better player now than when i started this diary. However i want to keep the learning going. Aswell as the profits ofc. Ive always been a firm believer in learning from losses. And yesterday was a great learning from loss. I dont think itll take too long for me to develop further on this and NL10 is itting and waiting for me to come back stronger.

Dudeskin8 · October 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

Looking back on yesterday. I did try and push myself way too much. The good thing is i am capable of making notes while on 6 tables. probably not as much as i needed but thats still some all the same. Ive picked out a couple of people who i suspect to be regs, and i also picked out some good value opponents. Although still one im very un decided on. Although i have to say i was staggered by the amount of notes i seen labelled as NL4 and recent. Anyways ive dropped back down but while im not playing i may consider even just watching NL10. I think i let a few coolers/bad beats get ontop of me yesterday and that isnt exactly ideal. FAO Dudeskin i may look for you if your playing at somepoint on NL10 and see how you play it. Im not scouting on you but i wana know what im looking for and clearly i completely missed something yesterday. The road to recovery may take a few days or weeks but i fully believe ill be rolled for NL10 again in no time. But i think i learnt something yesterday tbh.
Posted by The_Don90

I'd still say at first it would be best to slow it all down and go with max 3 tables. On the actual note taking business my notes fall into two catorgories, good players that I label 'Multitable x tables NLx' and any specific reads I have but the multitable bit is crucial as I can quickly establish if the table is worth playing at, i.e. more than say 2/3 and I'm gone. Next type is bad players and if they're really bad just a general note is 'DEAD MONEY NLx' this is a instant signal to stay on the table and ofc the more of these the better

, but also I try to add note why they are proper awful like 'open limp UTG w/79o call 4x raise pre, call down 3 streets w/2nd pair etc, once I have that I don't need many more notes lol.

On following me, prepared to be bored to death lol, Seriously though I don't think that's needed, just table select properly and play your cards EXACTLY like NL4/8

Good luck once again matey

The_Don90 · October 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : I'd still say at first it would be best to slow it all down and go with max 3 tables. On the actual note taking business my notes fall into two catorgories, good players that I label 'Multitable x tables NLx' and any specific reads I have but the multitable bit is crucial as I can quickly establish if the table is worth playing at, i.e. more than say 2/3 and I'm gone. Next type is bad players and if they're really bad just a general note is 'DEAD MONEY NLx' this is a instant signal to stay on the table and ofc the more of these the better , but also I try to add note why they are proper awful like 'open limp UTG w/79o call 4x raise pre, call down 3 streets w/2nd pair etc, once I have that I don't need many more notes lol. On following me, prepared to be bored to death lol, Seriously though I don't think that's needed, just table select properly and play your cards EXACTLY like NL4/8 Good luck once again matey
Posted by Dudeskin8

ty dude. Im going to give you a pm as there was a player yesterday that i feel fell into both the cats you mmentioned above. As that obviously made the note a little weird im going to pm you for a little guidance on this matter.

If you do not wish to respond then i have full respect to that.

PiAnOpLaYa · October 2011

NL10 can b such a grind think i played 3 hours worth of it last night. You were on 4 of my tables for a while think we only got involved in 1 hand. (might post if i can find it)

I look at some of the hands you post and i dont know how you see so many cards, i the 3 hours i played i never had all my stack in the middle once + AK has now become my most hated hand I never seem to hit with it and when I do i only get out drawn.

I think given time you will be able to beat it and move higher up the levels

The_Don90 · October 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

NL10 can b such a grind think i played 3 hours worth of it last night. You were on 4 of my tables for a while think we only got involved in 1 hand. (might post if i can find it) I look at some of the hands you post and i dont know how you see so many cards, i the 3 hours i played i never had all my stack in the middle once + AK has now become my most hated hand I never seem to with it and when I do i only get out drawn. I think given time you will be able to beat it and move higher up the levels
Posted by PiAnOpLaYa

would help if i could get em to hold.

Btw, lil story for yesterday. While on NL10 (only NL10) i played 45 pocket pairs. I hit a total or 3 sets. Never got to showdown with any. Although my sets did balance out on NL8 fwiw.

Anyways my point was i think this was a huge issue. I was dwindling alot of blinds set mining and when i hit i couldnt get the value out of them.

Sometimes its just not your day.

Yea to be fair mate i knew you as a reg and therefore expessially when ive just came up i think only a cooler was probably getting it in together. I do hope to have many pots with you one day, maybe when im more sisably rolled and holding the nuts lol.

- keep dreaming don.

PiAnOpLaYa · October 2011

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:

In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : would help if i could get em to hold. Btw, lil story for yesterday. While on NL10 (only NL10) i played 45 pocket pairs. I hit a total or 3 sets. Never got to showdown with any. Although my sets did balance out on NL8 fwiw. Anyways my point was i think this was a huge issue. I was dwindling alot of blinds set mining and when i hit i couldnt get the value out of them. Sometimes its just not your day. Yea to be fair mate i knew you as a reg and therefore expessially when ive just came up i think only a cooler was probably getting it in together. I do hope to have many pots with you one day, maybe when im more sisably rolled and holding the nuts lol. - keep dreaming don.
Posted by The_Don90

Wouldnt go as far as to say reg, pretty sure im a huge fish at cash, been trying to tighten my range loads and stop playing like its a MTT which I really struggle with at times.

I find some of the play so bad at this level just cant seem to beat it consistantly

The_Don90 · October 2011

18th Oct

Morning session

Im a donk

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
jellyboy	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£10.45
PIEMAN180	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£15.12
SB1992	Sit out
	Your hole cards	K Q
The_Don90	Raise		£0.40	£0.52	£7.60
Curries1	Call		£0.40	£0.92	£5.29
rf	Fold
jellyboy	Call		£0.36	£1.28	£10.09
PIEMAN180	Fold
Flop
		J 4 K
jellyboy	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.96	£2.24	£6.64
Curries1	Call		£0.96	£3.20	£4.33
jellyboy	Fold
Turn
		A
The_Don90	Check
Curries1	Check
River
		J
The_Don90	Check
Curries1	Check
The_Don90	Show	K Q
Curries1	Muck	7 6
The_Don90	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and Jacks	£2.96		£9.60

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
PIEMAN180	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£14.74
SB1992	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£6.10
rf	Sit out
	Your hole cards	Q Q
The_Don90	Raise		£0.40	£0.52	£7.48
jellyboy	Call		£0.40	£0.92	£6.01
PIEMAN180	Fold
SB1992	Fold
Flop
		10 2 8
The_Don90	Bet		£0.92	£1.84	£6.56
jellyboy	Call		£0.92	£2.76	£5.09
Turn
		Q
The_Don90	Bet		£2.07	£4.83	£4.49
jellyboy	Call		£2.07	£6.90	£3.02
River
		K
The_Don90	All-in		£4.49	£11.39	£0.00
jellyboy	All-in		£3.02	£14.41	£0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		£1.47	£12.94	£1.47
The_Don90	Show	Q Q
jellyboy	Show	J 9
jellyboy	Win	Straight to the King	£11.96		£11.96

tilt is a horrible thing

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Heed2	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£8.12
bahh	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.80
	Your hole cards	3 3
dazza2611	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£4.10
MADMAC007	Call		£0.08	£0.28	£6.25
PIEMAN180	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.08	£0.36	£8.05
Heed2	Call		£0.04	£0.40	£8.08
bahh	Raise		£0.32	£0.72	£7.48
dazza2611	Fold
MADMAC007	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.32	£1.04	£7.73
Heed2	Raise		£0.96	£2.00	£7.12
bahh	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.64	£2.64	£7.09
Flop
		10 2 6
Heed2	Bet		£2.64	£5.28	£4.48
The_Don90	All-in		£7.09	£12.37	£0.00
Heed2	Call		£4.45	£16.82	£0.03
Heed2	Show	10 K
The_Don90	Show	3 3
Turn
		5
River
		A
Heed2	Win	Pair of 10s	£15.55		£15.58

Closing Balance: £161.21

rancid · October 2011

KQ – don’t stop betting just because the ace comes, b/f is your friend. Bet for value until they come back at you

QQ – So harsh, cool aid for you

33 – if it ain’t a set then fold

You not doing that much wrong tbh

drop down to NL4, regain some confidence and then go again

Trust me I am finding NL8/NL10 equally as annoying - feel like a yoyo - updownupdownupdownupdownupdownupdown

Dudeskin8 · October 2011

KQ - Turn check isn't awful as ace is probably like worst card you can see as it stops you having top pair, river probably bet for value and call shove.

QQ - Cooler, Q turn even worse as you have blockers lol

33 - Limp good, 1st raise can call, God knows why Heed is limping in SB then 3betting, horrible play with that hand but means you have to sigh fold as odds are getting not so good. Final call you call 64p to 'potentially' 10x more but I don't like it one bit. Flop, well you know that's not good.

Reason you can't tilt is you feel bad enough when you lose getting unlucky but to lose when you know you should be out the way is crazy.

The_Don90 · October 2011

guys i know this sounds bad now. ive came all this way. but clearly i still cant deal with the variance. as a result i think its just best to call it a day

DOHHHHHHH · October 2011

Quit Count = 5!

taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

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