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taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary

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  • edited October 2011
    Hey Guys!!!

    Check out my DYM thread... and people said I couldn't make a consistent and decent profit from them. I'm coining it in!
  • edited October 2011
    Instead of thinking about the money think about your stats and graphs and stuff and want to improve them

    I,ve only played a few games over last 2 weeks, but will see you on the tables soon
  • edited October 2011
    First of all and update. Clearly as many of you know im a Confidence player and clearly ive been lacking in confdence. I stated id play a live game (last night) then make my desision.

    Live game (£20+£2+£5 bounty hunter freezeout. 10k starting 45 min blinds for first 2 levels then 30 min blinds casino adds £5 to head).

    Anyways going up to the casino i went my my dad and my mate. This gave me time to dsicsuss my recent poker with my dad, something i usually do on a weekly basis and keeps me at the top of my game. Since Dublin tho we havent discussed much.

    Anyways i knew i was lacking in confidence, i needed to win just one big pot really, and a deep run would help but wasnt essential. This tournament does play at about a similar standard to a £2.20 Bh on sky so sitting and waiting for a hand isnt too bad.

    Anyways i couldnt have predicted or wished for a bettter start. Very first hand 55 in UTG+1 BB sat out. UTG limps as do i, 6 more limpers behind (400 pot) Flop comes 5, 9, 5 to hearts. I decided to get some value forom a 9 or flsuh draw right from the flop. SB + UTG check. I miscalculate the pot and bet 125. Co calls the rest fold. (pot: 650) Turn 9. At this point i wasnt sure if he had 9 or a Flush draw. I decided to check call to get one more street of value, with a plan to check raise the river. I check he bets 350 i call (pot: 1350) river J of hearts. Now i know a flush unlikley to give me much value here. The opponent is Polish going by the accent and ive not played him before. I check he bets 1000. I raise to 3000 trying to get small value from a flsuh draw or get a 9 to shove. He instant shoves and i snap call. From his accent i thought he said "Pocket 9's" and delays showing. I later appoligied and explained why, to be fair the guy stated he understood and siad well played. Although i think the hand played itself tbh. Anyways i went on to come 4th for £150 + 3 heads for another £30 so total of £180.


    Back to my cash situation. Ive decided to drop back to NL4 and completely rebuild.
  • edited October 2011
    Deposit the 180 and hit 20nl.

    Yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  !!!!   ;)
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    Deposit the 180 and hit 20nl. Yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  !!!!   ;)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    lol thats BRM 4 u
  • edited October 2011
    n1 Don

    Sure it will be no problem to rebuild, as you crush NL4

    I have been up to £230 and back down to £45 - so while variance can hurt you, if you know you can beat the level long term it's never a problem

    good luck
    and don't do what Doh says ) enjoy you MTT roll 





  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    n1 Don Sure it will be no problem to rebuild, as you crush NL4 I have been up to £230 and back down to £45 - so while variance can hurt you, if you know you can beat the level long term it's never a problem good luck and don't do what Doh says ) enjoy you MTT roll 
    Posted by rancid
    haha i defo wont be loading it into poker. I have a few things to pay off so it does that, They not important atm but would rather get them paid. Tbh i felt like i played really well longer the tourny went on last night the more i grew in confidence.

    Being brutally honest I needed just one big hand and the cooler straight off really awoke me to being on the right side of it again. Im not starting till around 3 today giving me plenty of time to relect but i really think that if i get off to a good start today and theres avlue at NL8 i will play NL8. However i think starting at NL4 at least is the best idea.

    Appoligies to anyone who took what i was saying the wrong way. Just when i have literally no confidence in my own ability i pack it in a lil. Will try to avoid major outbursts in here for now.
  • edited October 2011
    This was something I was debating, lumping a chunk in for online cash and playing NL20/30.
    Then common sense told me to stop being stupid )

    But there's still a voice saying " go on DO IT DO IT"


  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : haha i defo wont be loading it into poker. I have a few things to pay off so it does that, They not important atm but would rather get them paid. Tbh i felt like i played really well longer the tourny went on last night the more i grew in confidence. Being brutally honest I needed just one big hand and the cooler straight off really awoke me to being on the right side of it again. Im not starting till around 3 today giving me plenty of time to relect but i really think that if i get off to a good start today and theres avlue at NL8 i will play NL8. However i think starting at NL4 at least is the best idea. Appoligies to anyone who took what i was saying the wrong way. Just when i have literally no confidence in my own ability i pack it in a lil. Will try to avoid major outbursts in here for now.
    Posted by The_Don90
    £10 says you can't last 2 days without another. ;)
  • edited October 2011
    Is it worth you having a break mate if your confidence is low? That's how I make more mistakes if I am not of the right mind.
    Is it worth you becoming more of a BR nit and instead of moving up a level with 20 BIs make it 25/30 or more before you do? Then a couple of losing sessions may not effect you as much?
    As said above it might be worth a glance at teh profit threads - this month's and last.

    In any case mate your BR is alot bigger than it was when you started. It is worth bearing that in mind if you have a losing session.

    Good luck
  • edited October 2011
    this thread is so emotional i love it.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    this thread is so emotional i love it.
    Posted by lynx3ffect
    im an emotional guy. having said tht 35 pages of dons emiotions must be horrible
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    This was something I was debating, lumping a chunk in for online cash and playing NL20/30. Then common sense told me to stop being stupid ) But there's still a voice saying " go on DO IT DO IT"
    Posted by rancid
    That's the common sense, the other guys an imposter!
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : £10 says you can't last 2 days without another. ;)
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    lets make this wager interesting (i need motovation) £20 for 7 days.

    That includes, hissy fitting on this thread, facebook or twitter.

    But im still allowed to moan at dohhhh, thats just entertainment value.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    This was something I was debating, lumping a chunk in for online cash and playing NL20/30. Then common sense told me to stop being stupid ) But there's still a voice saying " go on DO IT DO IT"
    Posted by rancid

  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : lets make this wager interesting (i need motovation) £20 for 7 days. That includes, hissy fitting on this thread, facebook or twitter. But im still allowed to moan at dohhhh, thats just entertainment value.
    Posted by The_Don90
    Tbh mate I don't think moaning about losing hands/running bad/coolers is that bad heck I do it all the time on Profit Challenge Thread, it just helps to let off some steam when you get off the back of a nasty one. What isn't interesting is the silly quitting ideas when you still have money to play poker lol.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : Tbh mate I don't think moaning about losing hands/running bad/coolers is that bad heck I do it all the time on Profit Challenge Thread, it just helps to let off some steam when you get off the back of a nasty one. What isn't interesting is the silly quitting ideas when you still have money to play poker lol.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    My biggest problem is after a few bad sessions i completely lose heart. Without confidence i have no faith im my own ability. when i lose heart i lose the will. im actualy a little scared to play cash today. My mind tells me to do it. My body says otherwise. Tbh im not feeling great today anyways.

    However I know i really need to keep putting hours in. I believe im better than recent sessions have lead to believe. Over the coarse of the diary i think that shows. Sometimes poker is a battle with the mind. One thing ive always been good with is control of my mind against others, however when trying to control my mind from myself, i have a very weak spot indeed.

    Maybe your right, infact on several occassions ive opened a conversation with dohhhh. "ffs (whatever happed)" end of conversation and i feel slightly better. Dohhh might say you could have done this better. And ok fair enough i made a mistake.

    Being honest looking over the sessions since the NL10 jump, i felt completely invincible. I needed a slap. I got it.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : My biggest problem is after a few bad sessions i completely lose heart. Without confidence i have no faith im my own ability. when i lose heart i lose the will. im actualy a little scared to play cash today. My mind tells me to do it. My body says otherwise. Tbh im not feeling great today anyways. However I know i really need to keep putting hours in. I believe im better than recent sessions have lead to believe. Over the coarse of the diary i think that shows. Sometimes poker is a battle with the mind. One thing ive always been good with is control of my mind against others, however when trying to control my mind from myself, i have a very weak spot indeed. Maybe your right, infact on several occassions ive opened a conversation with dohhhh. "ffs (whatever happed)" end of conversation and i feel slightly better. Dohhh might say you could have done this better. And ok fair enough i made a mistake. Being honest looking over the sessions since the NL10 jump, i felt completely invincible. I needed a slap. I got it.
    Posted by The_Don90
    Wow that's strange because I actually was gonna have a good grind this evening but just got this weird worried feeling so have put it on the back burner and just playing a few tournies which I find much more enjoyable, will probably be raring to go 2moz .

    On the last bit, that isn't terrible as it shows your confidence is at a peak but obvz you have to control that enthusiasm.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : Wow that's strange because I actually was gonna have a good grind this evening but just got this weird worried feeling so have put it on the back burner and just playing a few tournies which I find much more enjoyable, will probably be raring to go 2moz . On the last bit, that isn't terrible as it shows your confidence is at a peak but obvz you have to control that enthusiasm.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    ive actually forced myself to grind. trying a few new things out, will post a review with major stanbdard hands but wont wshow all. dont wana be a book now do i ;)
  • edited October 2011
    19th Oct

    Evening session

    Tbh i set a goal for this session. I wanted good notes on players. Something i currently dont Have. I mixed my levels between NL4 and NL8. I was also trying various different teqniques ive learnt over the years. Stuff you wont see in Dohhhhhh's NL4 guide.

    I felt this was a sucsessful challenege and although the profit didnt come i was pretty card dead. I also made a couple of bad calls towards the end reducing the profit. I will also state ive played £11 worth of tournys today. Im defo down for day, but up on cash.

    Anyways towards the end i might have been break even if i didnt hit one flop sideways. I put my oppo on a huge hand and called with suited cons, flopped pair + OESD turned FD missed lot. He had kings, i knew if i hit i was getting paid, thanks to my new "good" notes. That hand cost me about £4 although that was at a NL8 table i was in profit in. My implied odds where £8 in pot + £11 we both had back. So potentially £30 pot. Would have been nice. When i missed i didnt put another penny in pot and he also checked due to an Ace landing on river.

    Anyways confidence will keep growning again, although im a little tired to play tonight, able selection will become easier with better notes ofc. And before moving up again i will watch NL10 to get some pretty decent notes before hand. Although i do prefer my notes to be based on how they play me specifically so i can adapt to them.

    Closing Balance: £134.46

    i felt mixing the levels today was good and will do it again tomorrow pending on oppos. Alythough i can lose to much before ill need to take a proper drop down. But i feel i have a little life lft in me yet and i feel a good run of cards comming
  • edited October 2011
    its the way forward mate. played 6x nl4 earlier then 3xnl10 and then 2x nl20. good table selection is key though bud.
  • edited October 2011
    Hi Don, see things have gone tatties up since i was here last.

    Listen, i have done the exact same thing after moving up before. They dont call it grinding for nothing mate. 

    You know you can beat 4NL, just drop down again until you have the £200 (dudeskin, i changed it £££££££ lol) to move up to NL8, it just gives you an extra bit of cushion to multi-table.  There is a big table selection at NL4 so just go back to grinding those.

    It took me 3 attempts to get to grips with NL8 but every time i got coolered or variance hit or i just basically stacked off too light i learnt from thise mistakes and didnt do it again. I just dropped down to NL4 where i knew i could beat the game. You obviously look through your HH to disect where you went right/wrong which is really good.

    Maybe if it is affecting your game you need a wee break from it all for a week or so?
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    Hi Don, see things have gone tatties up since i was here last. Listen, i have done the exact same thing after moving up before. They dont call it grinding for nothing mate.  You know you can beat 4NL, just drop down again until you have the £200 (dudeskin, i changed it £££££££ lol) to move up to NL8, it just gives you an extra bit of cushion to multi-table.  There is a big table selection at NL4 so just go back to grinding those. It took me 3 attempts to get to grips with NL8 but every time i got coolered or variance hit or i just basically stacked off too light i learnt from thise mistakes and didnt do it again. I just dropped down to NL4 where i knew i could beat the game. You obviously look through your HH to disect where you went right/wrong which is really good. Maybe if it is affecting your game you need a wee break from it all for a week or so?
    Posted by DrSharp
    It was actually NL10 that done the damage. Only had one bad session at NL8 since. The rest of the damage was rfrom MTTs.

    Last night i was happy to have a £2 cash profit. Knowing i was mixing things up and maybe calle a few rivers light to get an idea of notes. I know this isnt profitable, but i feel the short term loss will be a long term gain
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : It was actually NL10 that done the damage. Only had one bad session at NL8 since. The rest of the damage was rfrom MTTs. Last night i was happy to have a £2 cash profit. Knowing i was mixing things up and maybe calle a few rivers light to get an idea of notes. I know this isnt profitable, but i feel the short term loss will be a long term gain
    Posted by The_Don90
    One thing I would advise instead of this is simply looking back at HH for pots that you're not involved in (at least 20bbs deep). This is much better than actively giving money away which imo is not needed at NL8 or any level for that matter.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : One thing I would advise instead of this is simply looking back at HH for pots that you're not involved in (at least 20bbs deep). This is much better than actively giving money away which imo is not needed at NL8 or any level for that matter.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    yea your right. when i say light. i dont mean A high or worse. maybe a second pair and going by action might be good anyways.

    I drifted away from the normal ABC poker a little and brought in bits that i have in my own game. I actually believe this allowed me to mix it up considerably. Something which i do, do in mtts, but never tried in cash.  

    Tbh dude. i think ive done loads wrong over the past 35 pages. Changing my game wasnt one of them. however i almost feel like a robot at times. bringing in little bits of my own game allowed me to feel a little more normal and more thought processed based.

    for the first time ever with the better players only (not the regs but the ones between fish and regs) i can put them into a range.
  • edited October 2011
    Came 4th in that £5.75 bounty hunter. 3 bounties to boot.

    I have a new bed comming today so not sure how much game time ill get.

    Closing Balance: £145.48
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    Came 4th in that £5.75 bounty hunter. 3 bounties to boot. I have a new bed comming today so not sure how much game time ill get. Closing Balance: £145.48
    Posted by The_Don90
    Good work.

    I used to love plying these £5.75 afternoon BH's the standard from what i remember is terrible
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary:
    In Response to Re: taking on NL4 (and beyond) diary : yea your right. when i say light. i dont mean A high or worse. maybe a second pair and going by action might be good anyways. I drifted away from the normal ABC poker a little and brought in bits that i have in my own game. I actually believe this allowed me to mix it up considerably. Something which i do, do in mtts, but never tried in cash.   Tbh dude. i think ive done loads wrong over the past 35 pages. Changing my game wasnt one of them. however i almost feel like a robot at times. bringing in little bits of my own game allowed me to feel a little more normal and more thought processed based. for the first time ever with the better players only (not the regs but the ones between fish and regs) i can put them into a range.
    Posted by The_Don90
    Yes some bits have been wrong like calling 3bets pre w/33 with bad odds and shoving over flop bets with under pairs for buy-ins, yh that's pretty horrific. Most though has been just variance/gettng unlucky, stuff you can't control but can improve by increasing volume.

    A robot, that is exactly how I played and beat NL4/8 and 10, oh and also very good table selection, stuff like even if you're up 2 BI's on one table and you notice it's now full of REGs don't sit there like a wally admiring your stack instead stand and find more dead money elsewhere.

    Better players? These should be very easy to avoid if using good table selection, if you're actively seeking them (God knows why) then you will ofc find it harder to win money as you'll need to build up crazy good reads to play them, which again IMO is not needed at NL4/8 and 10, Debs will obvz say NO! NO! Bloody NO to this but that's her opinion which is fine but for me it's not needed.
  • edited October 2011
    I find table selection takes too long,

    Much rather load up a NL10 thats full and just click find similier table until i'm sat at 6 :D

    Eventually the higher you go the fush will dry up and you have to learn to play the better players.

    The regs @ NL10 will be like the fish @ NL50 right?
  • edited October 2011
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    I find table selection takes too long, Much rather load up a NL10 thats full and just click find similier table until i'm sat at 6 :D Eventually the higher you go the fush will dry up and you have to learn to play the better players. The regs @ NL10 will be like the fish @ NL50 right?
    Posted by PiAnOpLaYa
    gota say i have similar views. another issue i have is i sit at a able and no matter whos sat there i think i can beat em.

    Literally anybody. I remember when i was at UKIPT Edinburgh for example. the lonmger it went the more i thought "im better than these guys" tbh i was playing likea complete fish but it felt right. there was only one guy i was consearned about and he hada 7% volantary jhand played ratio and was directly to my left.
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