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  • its-a-fixits-a-fix
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    I have read quite a lot about BOTS A lot of players state that if you are sure you have a BOT on your table you can clean up BOTS act on percentages and will not act if the odds are not there, so overbetting the pot will not give the odds it requires to make the call. What do you guys think
    Posted by IAMALLIN2
    yea i played a bot once arnie was his name all he kept saying was ILL BE BACK .i said just hurry up n play and he blew the room up . typical bad looser
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited July 2009
     blast!!! went out of the free roll in 237th.

    Had two bad beats where I was sucked out on both times......totally crippled me!

    It's a fix...swizz...con..etc...etc. (so I'm led to believe ....lol)
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  • BubbleFishBubbleFish
    edited July 2009
    Poker is a pure matter of ODDS, fairness plays no part in poker.

    by which I mean heads up, AA's crack most hands 9 out of 10 times, but as you only get AA's on avg every 222 hands, most heads up fights are a coin toss, heads you win etc.
     
    A common all in heads up like AK v A6, the A6 will win 1 out of 4 times, is that a bad beat !!, no.

    MTT's on Sky are fast and furious with little time to hold on for those wonder hands, so most players will lower their starting hands, which is why I guess people see what they call bad beats.

    My last two "Sky Open's" running deep I have gone out holding AA's and KK's, I looked back at these hands and concluded that I wanted all my chips in the middle heads up, and the knockout while sickening at the time was just part of this game that I and a couple of millions others enjoy so much.

    Bad Beats happen to all, its just poker.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    To all the people who think sky poker is fixed would they please explain to me WHY ? Why would sky want to fix it ? All they want to do is build the brand and get as many people playing as possible. That's how they make their money.   The fact is there will always be people who are pot committed, on tilt or who are 'on a roll' who will call an all-in with 2 live cards and have a chance of winning, however slight. I also doubt any of the presenters or poker pro's would associate themselves with this site if they felt it was not all above board.
    Posted by LightSpear
    THIS!

    Lightspear is correct.

    The suggestion that the Staff, all of them, my fellow Analysts & Presenters, & myself, would align ourselves with something that was not 100% straight is ludicrous, & a slur on our honesty & integrity.

    Poker Sites have no motive for messing about - Poker is NOT a House Game, it's a game between Players, & the Site derives no more or less benefit whoever wins or loses.

    So if you think Sky Poker is not legit, please don't expect me to engage with you, talk to you, or acknowledge you, because I will not, as I don't overly care for people who malign my, or my colleagues, character.

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  • BubbleFishBubbleFish
    edited July 2009
    The only moan I will have about Sky Poker Fairness would be over an MTT held last year.
     
    A FiveOO, just after they had increased it to 500 players from the FiveO fifty, again running well watching it on Sky TV, the presenters said at the top of the show that the top fifty player will be paid, but then on the screen behind them it showed just the top five being paid.

    So looking at the lobby it confirmed that just the top five would be paid, I e-mailed and telephoned SkyPoker but got a blank response, someone had dropped one big time, I confess to being very unhappy that SkyPoker had NO ability to change this before the payouts, very strange, which can only mean that they no direct control over the software in use.

    The very next day Im playing live at DTD in the Sky Live Tour, where I had the chance to bring this up with Sky Poker's presenters.  They just agreed that it had been a **** up.

    So the question is who controls the SkyPoker software ??

    Sure it was a great payday for the top five but was it FAIR ??
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  • kirstiikirstii
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness : THIS! Lightspear is correct. The suggestion that the Staff, all of them, my fellow Analysts & Presenters, & myself, would align ourselves with something that was not 100% straight is ludicrous, & a slur Allon our honesty & integrity. Poker Sites have no motive for messing about - Poker is NOT a House Game, it's a game between Players, & the Site derives no more or less benefit whoever wins or loses. So if you think Sky Poker is not legit, please don't expect me to engage with you, talk to you, or acknowledge you, because I will not, as I don't overly care for people who malign my, or my colleagues, character.
    Posted by Tikay10
    All hail lord Tikay and all his powers of sensibility!!
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Sky Poker Fairness:
    The only moan  I will have about Sky Poker Fairness would be over an MTT held last year.   A FiveOO, just after they had increased it to 500 players from the FiveO fifty, again running well watching it on Sky TV, the presenters said at the top of the show that the top fifty player will be paid, but then on the screen behind them it showed just the top five being paid. So looking at the lobby it confirmed that just the top five would be paid, I e-mailed and telephoned SkyPoker but got a blank response, someone had dropped one big time, I confess to being very unhappy that SkyPoker had NO ability to change this before the payouts, very strange, which can only mean that they no direct control over the software in use. The very next day Im playing live at DTD in the Sky Live Tour, where I had the chance to bring this up with Sky Poker's presenters.  They just agreed that it had been a **** up. So the question is who controls the SkyPoker software ?? Sure it was a great payday for the top five but was it FAIR ??
    Posted by BubbleFish
    yes
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  • DECEPTICONDECEPTICON
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Sky Poker Fairness:
    Hi everyone. I have seen a few threads running on this forums as to whether Sky Poker is fair, or fixed etc etc. these type of topics are perfectly acceptable and i certainly will not be closing them down-  i just wanted to give you all our official stance and ensure you all that at Sky Poker and Sky we take fairness very seriously... i had a quick chat with the compliance and responsibility team at Sky and here is the info should you require it: Sky Poker, Bingo and C asino are licensed and regulated by the Alderney Gambling Control Commission, ( www.gamblingcontrol.org ) and Sky Bet is licensed and regulated by the UK Gambling Commission ( www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk ). To this day Alderney maintains arguably the highest standards to be found in internet gaming and everything we do is tested externally and approved before launch to ensure that it is compliant with regulation and operating fairly. Thanks for your time guys, and a massive thank you for your terrific response to the community so far. with your continued support i am sure we can go from strength to strength and make this community even better. Rich
    Posted by Sky_Rich
    It may happen live but not nearly as often as it does online, and, on this site particularly. People playing through their set top boxes are extrememly inexperienced players and it is those who let this site down....i.e......someone reraising with A5 off suit against AK for example, then calling an all in shove. Really we should be thankful for these donks, but not when they are responsible for letting the down the quality of players on SkyPoker......those who don`t care to listen to the whinging from the tight players ARE the donks

    Thanks

    P.S I WILL NOT BE RECOMMENDING THIS SITE TO ANY OF MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES, FRIENDS OR FAMILY MEMBERS
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  • JAMIEPJAMIEP
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    can anyone explain why uk poker sites, and not just sky, are not licensed by the uk gambling commission, but off shore commissions.
    Posted by hello30
      

    The same reason the american site's like stars and tilt are not in their own country either TAX reasons.

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  • pitbull125pitbull125
    edited July 2009
    if it was fixed i would of like to played when it was broke !!!
    pokers poker and gambling is gambling you win sum you loose sum !!!!
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness : yea i played a bot once arnie was his name all he kept saying was ILL BE BACK .i said just hurry up n play and he blew the room up . typical bad looser
    Posted by its-a-fix
    I LOL`D
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO
    edited July 2009
    On a serious note. I think, depending on the sophistication of the bot, it would be near impossible to beat the more advanced bots.
    If a bot is on a site that allows pt, it could have access to all those stats, not just the hud stats, and can make a decision in a fraction of a second so can play gazillions of tables of near perfect poker.

    The higher up stakes, the more easily these bots will be spotted. If you suspect a bot you can msg customer support and they will send a msg to the accused asking them to repeat a msg back immediately to prove there is actually someone there.
    This doesnt rule a bot out as someone could be sitting there monitoring their bot, and also with technological advances I`m sure the bot could repeat that msg back anyway
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  • ELVIS68ELVIS68
    edited July 2009
    I most certainly am alive!! I just stick to MTT's these days, the King dont need cash just likes the buzz of the final table after a toil to get there.

    I dont agree with any theories that Sky or any other major sites are rigged, Whilst i can say that I have won money at Sky, PKR, Pacific and lost money at Tilt, Party and Titan (ipoker) so i choose to play at the sites i win at, I dont beleive the ones i dont play at any more are rigged just I'm more suited to the games, something which costs alot of time and money in finding out for most of us.

    I do wonder sometimes how winning streaks can be so short and little whilst losing streaks can go on for weeks and result in your bankroll being hurt. thats just poker - I play live poker as well and can honestly say that every scenario possible will happen at some point, the general rule is that the more money on the table the less gambling goes on, people will gamble more with lower stakes and as I play lower stakes am subjected to more poor calls than high rollers would experience. Anyone any solution to this? play for more money or is there a site that vets all people and quizes them on there ability before accepting them? LOL get over it - oh i did years ago.

    Dont fill you mind with consipiracy theories they will eat you away and turn you into some sort of shadow, concentrate on playing better poker, over time good play does win through
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  • UnknownUnknown
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    I no longer play poker on Sky
    Posted by MereNovice
    Why don't you play any more Merenovice? You used to be a virtual everpresent on our screens. 
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  • general1general1
    edited July 2009
    STOP COMPLAINING AND KIK ASSSS!!
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness : Why don't you play any more Merenovice? You used to be a virtual everpresent on our screens. 
    Posted by Somerled

    Hi, sorry that I haven't replied to this before - I haven't been following the thread.
    I'll put it down to "artistic differences" - I threw my toys out of the pram.


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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness : Hi, sorry that I haven't replied to this before - I haven't been following the thread. I'll put it down to "artistic differences" - I threw my toys out of the pram.
    Posted by MereNovice
    You are sorely missed - if I pick up those toys nicely, will you have a think about coming back?

    I do know, as it happens, why the toys left the perambulator, but that's not a subject we wanna discuss on an open Forum. Feel free to contact me privately though - you know how to get hold of me privately "elsewhere".

    There are 2 sides to every story, & I think you might be surprised if you heard the "other side"!

    Anyway, whatever you decide, I wish you well in your Poker adventures, wherever they may be.

    Take care now.
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  • DAVEYZZDAVEYZZ
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness : You are sorely missed - if I pick up those toys nicely, will you have a think about coming back? I do know, as it happens, why the toys left the perambulator, but that's not a subject we wanna discuss on an open Forum. Feel free to contact me privately though - you know how to get hold of me privately "elsewhere". There are 2 sides to every story, & I think you might be surprised if you heard the "other side"! Anyway, whatever you decide, I wish you well in your Poker adventures, wherever they may be. Take care now.
    Posted by Tikay10
    i'll second that,i remember you from day one of sky and you(merenovice) were always one to try to avoid getting into big pots with!!
    dont know the reason for you leaving but i for one would like to see you back(dunno why i'm trying to make it harder for myself,lol)

    alll the best, dave
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice
    edited July 2009
    Thx Daveyzz and others.
    I shall soon be rerturning to play on Sky Poker. Your cunning plan of pandering to my vanity has worked so I shall soon be contributing more to the Daveyzz benevolent fund.
    Apologies for hi-jacking this thread temporarily - not my intention, I promise.
    Anyone who wants to contact me should do so at MereNovice@aol.com rather than post comments on here.
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  • penguin7penguin7
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    well said long play  he does  not matter to sky who wins  then u hear players moaning   about sky putting  bots  on tables  what a load of rubbish
    Posted by scrumdown
    I think Tikay is a bot..... he played like one last night.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness : I think Tikay is a bot..... he played like one last night.
    Posted by penguin7
    Wrong!

    A bot would have played better.........
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Fairness:
    Thx Daveyzz and others. I shall soon be rerturning to play on Sky Poker. Your cunning plan of pandering to my vanity has worked so I shall soon be contributing more to the Daveyzz benevolent fund. Apologies for hi-jacking this thread temporarily - not my intention, I promise. Anyone who wants to contact me should do so at MereNovice@aol.com rather than post comments on here.
    Posted by MereNovice
    That's terrific news, welcome back Mr Novice.

    PS - Never wise to put your e-Addy on a Poker Forum, there are some weird folks about.

    See you at the Tables - soon, I hope.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited July 2009

    I see both sides of the arguement. but one a lot clearer! 

    It feels like 99% of the time I can guess the last card if i'm ahead against someone with an out, but then I do have around a 1 out of 13 chance of getting it right and 5 cards do have to come out! Depending on the opposition you will get the odd loose call depending on the mood of the caller, type of player they are or just the situation you're in but I know you only remember the bad beats not the boring dead cards on the river that give you the win!!

    However!.. If you play "perfect" poker.. the only beat your going to get is a bad beat! whether it's an actual bad beat or just a bad beat in your head. There is always a chance to fold whether it's pre flop or post flop! Going all in post flop to win small blinds or hoping for a call isn't always the best play.

    I've read stories in the past of people pushing with KK, QQ, JJ etc.. and getting beat by a raggy Ace on the river... if you knew the Ace was coming out on the flop.. would you still push all in with KK? What do you expect someone to call with if you have KK, QQ, JJ etc.. and push all in? ... fair enough if you push with AA and get beat you will feel bad but it's only a pair.. If you slow played and 3 hearts came out and you had As,Ac and a solid raise come up would you still push all in? to be called by 2 hearts?... the point I'm trying to make is even AA is beatable with any two cards! even 7 2! Pushing in and getting beat is part of the risk and enjoyment of poker!

    Poker is controlled gambling but it's still gambling! You put your money on the line, and bet on a situation, the situation can change and you never know what can happen! That is the thrill of poker! THAT IS WHY WE PLAY!

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  • DECEPTICONDECEPTICON
    edited August 2009
    Ever considered the fact that people just sit out?
    Some times people enter tournies and just cant make it for whatever reason
    As for poker sites being fixed.........lol
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  • TaxicabTaxicab
    edited August 2009
    In Response to Sky Poker Fairness:
    Hi everyone. I have seen a few 100 threads running on this forums as to whether Sky Poker is fair, or fixed etc etc. these type of topics are perfectly acceptable and i certainly will not be closing them down-  i just wanted to give you all our official stance and ensure you all that at Sky Poker and Sky we take fairness very seriously... i had a quick chat with the compliance and responsibility team at Sky and here is the info should you require it: Sky Poker, Bingo and C asino are licensed and regulated by the Alderney Gambling Control Commission, ( www.gamblingcontrol.org ) and Sky Bet is licensed and regulated by the UK Gambling Commission ( www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk ) Which just so happen to be out of UK and EU ruling and only work for Skybet. To this day Alderney maintains arguably the highest standards to be found in internet gaming and everything we do is tested externally and approved before launch to ensure that it is compliant with regulation and operating fairly. Thanks for your time guys, and a massive thank you for your terrific response to the community so far. with your continued support i am sure we can go from strength to strength and make this community even better. Rich

    Me: are u are trying to get people voted out or not?  Have u been watching Big Brother?

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  • dav1964dav1964
    edited August 2009
    HI everyone,just want to say that like all card games POKER is no different.Cards are random if you play with real cards they hardly ever come out the way that you want them to.Believe me i am myself on a fair old run of bad beats but i know that my time will come sure enough.It is still the most fantastic game and i cant wait til 7.00 tonight to play in the FORDABLE DEEPSTACK what value and entertainment for a measley 3 quid.I am not playing with really good players in the hope or the belief of winning but what a great learning curve it will be.See you at the tables later.
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