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GoodBye
after having another awful day , im ready to call it a day. I hate quitting at somthing i wanted alot but i think its the smart thing to do im fed up of thinking the wrong things, doing the wrong things and in general just being rubbish at poker. The thing is iv spent alot of time lately on my game and taking away a few good mtt results im as bad as i was before, so how would i ever improve?
In the last month i finish 16th in ukops main event (£400), won 3k rebuy (£1200) and finished 16th in £33 bh (£112) all which i sat'd in for and im still not happy with my play because cash is what i want to be good at, and i love poker but i hate losing and being awful at somthing i tried so hard in. so its not even about money.
I sat there today playing 20nl, trying my hardest to play the best i knew off , and lost 2 stacks , not including the $50 i lost on another site in the money. I sat that with a face like a slapped somthing and thought whats the point? this isnt enjoyable and prob for the first time i dont think i could become a winning player.
Last thing ! i must say a massive thankyou to the people on sky poker who constantly commented on my hands and offered support through the chat or through a pm, i appreciated that alot so thanks for the time out your grinding to do that! i wish everyone else the best of luck at the tables !
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You are learning mate, if you want to get into cash games, it will cost you money to learn--- luckily, you are a good tournament player, so you can subsidise your cash games while you learn--- there seems to be a new breed of player emerging these days---- we all have to adapt--- they are sneakier than they were, and we have to find a way to combat this--- we will---- next week---lol--gl mate-- floppa whoppa!!
Robbie, I play an awful lot less than I used to. Once upon a time I played thousands of sit and go's in a year. Nowadays I play a short session every few weeks. On the other hand, I watch, discuss and think about poker a great deal more now than I ever used to. I enjoy that more than I enjoyed playing so much.
There's no need to just quit playing. Play however much you enjoy. Keep doing what you enjoy and think less about the money. Why not view the game as I do and not worry about ROI, BRM and what not? You don't have to be a grinder, you know.
You start at 4nl and move up when you can beat it over 20k hands or something, you then hit 10nl, you move up again after you beat that etc etc.
Too many players look for the big bucks too fast without putting in the spade work needed to get them there.
Looking at your sharkscope, it doesn't make sense. You're clearly a good MTT player. I cant stand cash... I'm utterly useless at it. I'm rubbish in DYMs aswell and turbos and timed tournaments... but they are different versions of the game. I stick to MTTs because its what i'm good at. Clearly youre the same.
On the flipside if youre not enjoying it then yes, I'd advise taking a break - theres no point writing it off altogether. Take a month or two off without even thinking about poker and come back and play the odd game for fun and see what happens from there. I've done that recently after a little downswing and have come back and have enjoyed myself since. Poker is brilliant when you are winning... disheartening when youre not, but take it a little less seriously and i'm sure you'l be better for it.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
I do ok at 20nl playing part time.
I had a bad time at the end of last year and felt the same as you.
I took about 4 months away from poker and came back and am winning again.
Try a short break rather than giving up completely.
Well you can start at it. If you beat it fine.
But op didnt, so should be starting at 4nl rather than giving up.
And that later comment is totally disrespectful to us 4nl ers trying to beat 10nl. shame on you
Might be worth paying a coach to work with you for a few hours before ja cking it in altogether.
You must have a few quid left from all the MTT wins. You could use to employ somone as like a 'last chance' kinda thing if you really are serious about quitting, and not just on tilt/overreacting to a bad session.
Sounds like the 1 thing you haven't yet tried?
Might cost you £150 or so and not work out, but might be worth a go.
I know of a couple of people who offer this kinda thing specifically on sky low/mid stakes cash. There's probably others too.
gl in the future whatever you decide to do.
Be good.
Paul
GL anyway as there is more to life then poker (dont tell dohhh)
In before anyone says it... I'm not making a lot of money yet lol, but I'm slowly getting there. I can remember years ago when being +£10 was a really good day, now being like +£100 is a good day but it's all relative.
A great way to improve is to get a group of poker mates (ideally people who are at least as good as you if not better) and just talk about it. Videos and stuff are great but I don't think anything beats discussing it with other poker players and thinking abuot WHY you should do certain things.
Also like Dohh suggested, I've had coaching from one of the best (imo) players on the site, I can PM you details if you want, it was very reasonably priced for the standard of coaching. Definitely something I'd recommend.
What kind of format does that coaching take? I am very interested in getting some coaching to help with moving up.
IMO you do have a bad attitude because
1) You can profit at tourneys it seems
2) Have given up waaay too soon
3) Have other options open ie 4nl, where there is potential to win decent money
FYI
The phrase dont quit at the first hurdle would apply. But you have quit after falling over on the way to the starting blocks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLYECIjmnQs
I ont have a bad attitude, wiht respect, you cannot judge that fairly as you dont know my past poker history. Theres been plenty of times i have thought im not going to be good enough, but i kept going. Thats because i was joining a training site or pm players for advice, i had a plan of action that woul turn me from losing to improving player. I have no plan, if i do the things i think ar correct i will lose today and tommorow and in the future.
Its nothing to do with attitude its about thinking of the situation in an intelligent way. Does me being determined and playing on and losing my moneymean i have a good attitude? imo no it doesnt, it just means your niaeve to think anything would change.
Iv had a long enough period playing to know my play is losing play, i watch enough poker and no enough to realise i do alot wrong in alot of situations.
I also do not want to play mtts, i dont find them interesting, i play them for abit of fun and for a change. My main game i want to be is cash, i enjoy trying to consistantly play well and theres my aim to play well to consiscently win and beat the same players, that proves alot imo .
I assume with a decent coach then it'll be up to you really. In my case, we tried out a few different things, sometimes we'd just go through HHs, sometimes I'd watch him 6table cash and he'd explain the decisions he was making and why (via Skype etc) but mostly it was me 6tabling and him watching me play (screen sharing so he can see my cards).
Obviously he did not provide any advice during hands but after a hand is finished he might say 'why did you not 3bet pre there?', then we can chat about that while I'm playing on.
He'd watch for say 1 hour of me 6tabling, he'd be noting down any tendancies or specific hand IDs, then spend the 2nd hour discussing the specific hands he'd noted down and anything general he'd picked up on... was I missing out on spots to isolate limpers, was I not double barrelling on turns that are great to barrel, was I double barrelling on terrible turn cards to barrel, or whatever other leaks he's picked up on.
I got that when I was playing 10NL and I'm intending to get a bit more now that I'm playing 30NL. If nothing else, I can pay for it just out of my C4P and I only see that as a bonus anyway so it's like I don't have to pay for the training really.
But yeah, I agree that a group of poker mates is a great (and free!) way to do it and it forces you to provide more input yourself and actually think about situations rather than just being spoon-fed answers to situtions. I did say that above, I only mentioned the coaching cos JJ had, and then CalCal asked about it.
It's only been the last probably 6 months (give or take) that I've been really discussing things in a group and during this time I got coaching too. Before that any discussion was virtually 100% 1-to-1 with Dohhhh and I constantly say this but he brought my game on in leaps and bounds in pretty much every single format.
FWIW, still think 1-to-1 coaching from a sick player is very beneficial.