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AK facing 2 all ins. Call or fold??
£11 BH , (i won the seat through the 7pm freeroll).
Only level 2, not noticed any maniacs at the table. Can i call here?, note that there are still 2 players to act after me!
Thoughts please.
Only level 2, not noticed any maniacs at the table. Can i call here?, note that there are still 2 players to act after me!
Thoughts please.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| davelufc | Small blind | 15.00 | 15.00 | 1582.50 | |
| wi03 | Big blind | 30.00 | 45.00 | 1825.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| bar4004 | Call | 30.00 | 75.00 | 5127.50 | |
| chang698 | Fold | ||||
| kebir | Call | 30.00 | 105.00 | 1470.00 | |
| heather222 | Call | 30.00 | 135.00 | 1355.00 | |
| davelufc | Raise | 210.00 | 345.00 | 1372.50 | |
| wi03 | Call | 195.00 | 540.00 | 1630.00 | |
| bar4004 | Call | 195.00 | 735.00 | 4932.50 | |
| kebir | All-in | 1470.00 | 2205.00 | 0.00 | |
| heather222 | All-in | 1355.00 | 3560.00 | 0.00 | |
| davelufc ? |
Comments
You got in through a freeroll, go win a flip and you're freerolling a profit with a decent stack
Either way, I think the value is there for a call. Sometimes players limp AA or KK but how often do they overlimp with them? Not that often, I think, and there's loads of dead money.
Nice to see you got there through FR. TBH you need to catch and i'd be pretty sure that some of your aces or kings are involved here so feel your odds are less than they might be. I feel as its so early that taking a punt wouldn't be for me . I fold and prefer to drive the hands not look to catch as no doubt you needed to. Hope it went well m8.
I like your odds of an early triple up, with 2 bounties to boot. And with players to act behind that could get involved, hey- whatever, this is a dream spot IMO. You either bust and shrug, or get a massive chipboost that can let you dominate for the vast majority of the tournament, and give you a great shot at the win.
I feel nothing - it's just a maths game yo!
Fist pump turn card, then it all changed on the river... boooom!! Still got a bounty though.!!
3 hands later......... Ak = pants!!
You got a head though, and got in for free so that's an ROI of infinity
Just noticed my exit hand while i was getting HH for this post, 3 hands later!!!
Some chips missing as i limped into a pot with K 10 o/s in between!!! lol my bad.
AK = pants!!!!
What does Scope say about your ROI if you've only ever played and cashed in freerolls?
As it is, we go 4 way so we're now 26-27% to quadruple up and take 3 bounties (so £15ish).
I'm not one for just pure gambling early doors in an MTT but we're getting the right price and imo if we're a good player and win this race, we're in with a pretty amazing shout of crushing, taking a lot of heads and going really deep.
It's close like, and I don't hate folding but if we're rolled I reckon we can go for it to build a stack. FWIW, even in £11 BHs, I've seen some just plain embarrassing all ins and all in calls even @ 15/30 for the purposes of chasing bounties so I wouldn't be a complete shock if we saw something like AK v 77 v QJ v AT and the like quite often.
Shame I saw this late, I personally think this is a fold but not because of the two all ins but because of the two behind. Wii is shortened himself and called your raise he pretty much is calling regardless and then if wii calls bar should call regardless of cards as the value is beautiful. I'm surprised you only got one call behind here tbh.
Why take a (certain) flip when you can find a better edge later on in the tournament... Unless the level of your skill is only 50% flips.
Then snap call I guess.
The bounties being added to the value of the call is a debatable topic. The fact is that each bounty you can claim at the start of the tournament is only worth roughly 1/3 of your buy-in. This means that the value of your own head is three times greater than the value of your opponents' heads. Just as importantly, making a call all-in risks not just your own head but the opportunities to win other heads in better spots in future. This should completely offset the apparent additional value of the bounty in any individual pot.
Therefore the value of a bounty should not turn a -cEV (Expected Chip Value) play into a +cEV play. Nor can it turn a slight +cEV play into a more +cEV play.
That's at least how I see it, meaning that the value of the bounties in this hand are irrelevant and we should concentrate solely on the cEV of the situation. I'm interested to hear arguments to the contrary, though.