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e.g. only 56% against AKs, QQ and TT.
Looking at that particular example it's never a fold! But what about 5 all-ins just outside of cashing positions??
We might yet get an interesting debate from this thread!!
People know KK can lose quite easily cos any Ax has a pretty good chance of winning.
In a DYM it's the bubble, you are on the BB with 2970 chips. Your three opponents all hold exactly 3010 chips each. The UTG player shoves, then the button and the SB both call.
It would be foolish to call with your AA. If you fold you will cash unless there's an extremely unlikely 3-way chop, something that'll probably only happen if all three of them play the board. Then even if they do chop you're still alive with 2970 chips less one big blind. Your elimination on the bubble is many times more likely if you call with your aces than if you fold.
1. With 3 players all-in, and knowing you're just 55% to win but would scoop 4x your stack do you ALWAYS snap call in an MTT?
2. Suppose your reads tell you due to betting pre one oppo DEFINITELY holds AA too. Can you find the fold here when he's all-in vs one other or are you happy to get a chop (taking 1/2 stack of other guy) vs a 20% chance you lose. Can you sit and watch the other guy take the pot if you fold?
Now I don't expect these questions to stimulate lengthy debate just trying to eek something else out of a thread that began 'I fold AA pre coz they always lose, and look it was a great fold'.
In future you might be better to consider all eventualities that are theoretically possible before posting your viewpoint. It will save you either contradicting yourself, or having to add loads of caveats.
Folding AA in general, post flop, easy just click fold! Pre flop, never unless already mentioned on bubble in a flat satellite structure.
On the bubble of a DYM, when there's an all-in and a call in front of you? Yeah, almost definitely a fold.
In ANY cash game situation pre-flop? Almost never fold. (The Loose Cannon on The Big Game making arguably a correct fold pre-flop with Aces). See - Kelly Criterion
The stone-bubble of the WSOP ME, you have AA on an AVG stack, when the min-cash is worth more than your entire bankroll? Urgh, we're gunna be here a while.
Just like we say in life, guys.
Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence.
Yes, there are situations where it's "right" to fold Aces pre. Just don't go making a habit of it, unless you hate money, orrrrrr... you're playing me. ty
kk was turned over and did AA so that was the 1 in 5 so I was correct in folding them, and AA doesn't win 4 out of 5 ,and simple mathematics fact don't apply on here , how many times have your AA KK QQ lost to 23 or 56 78 or Q5suited ? more than what it wins, you like AA I don't
From my experience, players who say my AA always gets beat fall into 2 categories
1. Selective memory, they forget the times they win with it
2. They play their hand awfully as they have AA and it must win every time. This tends to mean they pay little attention to the flop and get carried away with AA quite often in a spot where its obvious to their opponent that they have a large pair in their hands therefore giving them great implied odds as they know it wont be folded.
If it's the WSOP main event bubble? Shouldn't you play every tournament the same - regardless of the buy-in? If you're playing a tournament outside your roll, you may play differently....substitute "differently" for "badly". Yes, you may have satellited in for a fiver, but that should not play on your mind. A chip is a chip - it doesn't know the buy-in. A double-up is a double-up. Go for it.
The only exception I can see here, is the chip and chair, and 3 people are all-in and so you will probably min cash by folding the AA. Again, that happens vanishingly rarely, and we can keep our brains in gear (I once came 2nd in a Sky main event with 1BB when 4 people on my table went all in before the blinds got to me - yes, I'd have folded AA there).
Of course, in STTs and satellites it's different. You play the chip-stacks, not your cards.