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STT Challenge and diary DYMs v 6max (COMPLETED)

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  • edited November 2013
    Ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch

    I think I said earlier if you start a diary you have nowhere to hide - certainly true...

    Bit of a downswing!

    Lost my first 5 DYMs of the day with only a partial recovery winning 3 out of the next 5.

    I would like to say it was all down to terrible misfortune (indeed there was some) - but unfortunately there was some bad play too.

    I think this is part of the reason for not liking DYMs much - you get on a downswing and its pretty hard to recover - lose 5 in a row you have to win 6 in a row just to break even. Whereas lose 5 in a row in 6max and 2 wins is enough to be back on level terms. Yes that's a pretty narrow way of looking at it - need to look at big picture and long term results etc but it just feels so much worse in a downswing of DYMs somehow. Figures have taken a bit of a battering!
     1st2nd3rdOther
    DYM9141423
    sixmax1314716
     entriesbuy-inrakewinningsprofitROIhoursprofit/hr
    DYM60£60.00£9.00£74.00£5.007.2%17.75£0.28
    sixmax50£50.00£5.00£80.10£25.1045.6%24£1.05
  • edited December 2013
    Been a while since last update - my wife is home - which is great after 10 weeks in hospital and naturally I have other priorities.

    10 DYMs since last update P10 W6 - pretty average really. One bad beat all in with AK v shorty with AT 4 handed then JJ busted a couple of hands later. One bad play shoved over an open raise 4 handed with AQ - there was still far too much play in the blinds and the open raiser hadn't been out of line - had JJ which held.

    Hoping to take advantage of some more double bubble on the reward points this month and finish the challenge off.
     1st2nd3rdOther
    DYM10191427
    sixmax1314716
     entriesbuy-inrakewinningsprofitROIhoursprofit/hr
    DYM70£70.00£10.50£86.00£5.506.8%19.1£0.29
    sixmax50£50.00£5.00£80.10£25.1045.6%24£1.05
  • edited December 2013
    Another 10 down - really slow on the volume.

    ROI not so impressive now on the DYMs, haven't played any more 6max as want to get the 100 done on DYMs first.

    The win rate is ok but the rake crushes the profit levels.

    Had one interesting hand on bubble where short stack shoves, I call and BB calls (only 1 extra BB) and both have shorty well covered. I hit bottom pair - no draws and check. BB bets min. Unbelievable play in a DYM. I sigh and fold. BB shows 27 - no pair and think needed runner runner to hit a str8. Naturally shorty trebles up. I couldn't believe my eyes - asked a couple of questions of BB which were ignored (they were polite). I was considering reporting the pair for collusion only next thing the same two players are all-in v each other and one is busted.

    Another game by me - bad loss - had about 1500 chips, shorty on 1000. Folded to me on SB and I shoved 77 into big stack BB. Not being results oriented really think it was a bad play risking tourney on bubble when BB could afford to call with any two high cards - turns out they had AK which paired and I was out. Think should have folded and kept 1400 v shorty who was about to go through blinds. I know shove gets thru most of the time but was a needless risk IMO given would still have had 7BB v 5BB over short stack if folded and only increased to 8.5BB if got thru.
     1st2nd3rdOther
    DYM11221532
    sixmax1314716
     entriesbuy-inrakewinningsprofitROIhoursprofit/hr
    DYM80£80.00£12.00£96.00£4.004.3%19.9£0.20
    sixmax50£50.00£5.00£80.10£25.1045.6%24£1.05
    cash % 
    DYM60.0%
    sixmax54.0%
  • edited December 2013
    keep up the good work.

    simon
  • edited January 2014
    Well it's partly finished now!

    100 DYMs chalked up

    Ended up with a profit on them but not a lot!
     1st2nd3rdOther
    DYM13281841
    sixmax1314716
     entriesbuy-inrakewinningsprofitROIhoursprofit/hr
    DYM100£100.00£15.00£118.00£3.002.6%27.5£0.11
    sixmax50£50.00£5.00£80.10£25.1045.6%24£1.05
    cash % 
    DYM59.0%
    sixmax54.0%
    A whole profit of £3.00!

    Most of all I am happy with a cash rate of 59% - even at this "micro" level seems you get a lot of people who pretty well know the basics and the structure on DYMs is pretty shallow so it can be hard to exploit mistakes.

    The rake is a killer at that level though.

    Overall it has confirmed what I felt before I started - I just don't like DYMs that much - most of my leaks have been playing hands I don't need to considering the format and match situation when I look back.  E.g. shoving with small/mid pair too soon.

    I was determined to finish off tonight so started multi-tabling, my 98th and 99th tournies were up and then I misclicked on a £5 dym! Truth be known I hadn't even spotted it until Stuarty117 asked me when I had moved up the levels cos he had read my diary!

    Could have done 100 games worth of profit in one go but managed to stick it out for a cash, then completed the challenge with my 100th game and a win.

    Will be back to my preferred 6max for the rest of the month.

    GL at the tables.

  • edited January 2014
    nice playing with you Mr Phantom, you can hold your own at the 5.50s.

    I am a novice at them still. I use too play the 1.15s and see hardly any difference in the standard.

    The biggest difference I find is the 5.50s are a lot more tilting when you lose a few in a row.

    As I have went through a horrible patch with them and especially 3.30s.

    Good luck with the other half of the 6max
  • edited January 2014
    Thanks stuarty117 for the comments and the chat in the £5 dym.

    I feel I could hold my own at £5 certainly (not just taking the sample of 1).

    However it would be suicidal BRM. I have a roll of £64 now and no disposable income to top that up so I am 100% determined to grind my way up through the stakes.

    I lost 5xDYMs in a row and it crushed me - not just the 5 buyins denting the figures - but the confidence factor hit me harder than I thought it would. It is easier to restore confidence in 6max where one win covers more buyins.

    Oh and thanks for passing the AQ to keep me in when 4 handed on the £5 table! I was shorty and shoved with A6 I think - needed to keep taking some blinds because I was short relative to the others and blinds.

  • edited January 2014

    If I had called u probably would have hit the 6 LOL.

    You have to keep looking at the stack sizes, hopefully by bad run has come to an end won 3 5.50s in a row.

  • edited January 2014

    Love this Diary, one of the most honest ones on here, & you start by looking at your own mistakes & limitations, rather than finger-pointing.

    I hope your wife has a better year in 2014, I recall she was most unwell last year.
     
  • edited January 2014
    In Response to Re: STT Challenge and diary DYMs v 6max:
    If I had called u probably would have hit the 6 LOL. You have to keep looking at the stack sizes, hopefully by bad run has come to an end won 3 5.50s in a row.
    Posted by stuarty117
    I know what you mean I had a run where nearly all of my dominating all-ins seemed to lose - probably nothing out of the ordinary in the long term but when it happens a few times in a row its most frustrating!
  • edited January 2014
    In Response to Re: STT Challenge and diary DYMs v 6max:
    Love this Diary, one of the most honest ones on here, & you start by looking at your own mistakes & limitations, rather than finger-pointing. I hope your wife has a better year in 2014, I recall she was most unwell last year.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    Thanks Tikay,

    Mrs P is home (touch wood) having spent 3/4 the last months in hospital in 3 stints. Still having treatment but doing well all things considered.
  • edited January 2014
    Managed to fet a few 6max in this week - don't think I'll be seeing my name on the PS4 leaderboard though.
     1st2nd3rdOther
    DYM13281841
    sixmax1518820
     entriesbuy-inrakewinningsprofitROIhoursprofit/hr
    DYM100£100.00£15.00£118.00£3.002.6%27.5£0.11
    sixmax61£61.00£6.10£96.30£29.2043.5%29.5£0.99
    cash % 
    DYM59.0%
    sixmax54.1%
    Started off well then hit a poor run - got a bit carried away getting too aggro too soon - ok taking a flip 3 handed in a 6 max but not 5 handed! Been playing dyms and my timing was a bit off - there really is a lot more play in the 6max structure. Tightened up again early doors and duly made 2 2nds and a 1st in last 3 games to maintain a consistent overall cash and ROI of 50+ and 40+.

    Edit:Comments refer to last 11 games. I intended to post an update every 10 games but found a discrepancy in my results tracker which meant I had played 11 not 10. Next update will be at 70 games.

    Also includes a couple of results where I got called away from table and lost - one 3 handed knew I would be gone for a while shoved with K9 and ran into AT which held. Then had the same when HU - tried to induce an all-in call and ended up being blinded out.

    Still, cant complain I have certainly benefitted more than a couple of times from absent players myself during this challenge.
  • edited January 2014
    Hi phantom

    Just read this through. Found it really interesting.
    Few things

    Most importantly, glad your wife's home. 
    Results seem good.
    So your preference is the stt's? Do they get much traffic?
    You're right, rake really makes the games tough to beat at the lower levels. I know you said the £5's maybe a bit high right now. What about the £3's? Rake drops to 10%.

    Good luck and hope you continue with this.

  • edited January 2014
    Hey Phantom!

    Glad your wife is home, and as Tikay said hopefully it's a better new year.

    Nice results with the sit and go's, dyms/ stt's.

    I think it's awesome you are showing a profit, purely given that the rake is so high.

    Not to sure if you have ever played HU Sit and Gos, but the rake is only 5% for games of £1 and over.

    I'm pretty sure you would do really well at these given your success in other sit and go's.

    If you ever want to play a few games, or even watch me playing a few you can send me a message.

    Nice blog, nice work, look forward to your further successes.




  • edited January 2014
    @Jac @Larson, thanks for the comments. I'd write this diary just for me, because it gives me discipline and helps my game but feedback always welcome.

    Re:Rake

    10% is tough to beat yes, I think the real issue I have is that pre £3 level the DYMs seem to be penalised worse than 6max for the same stake. Don't really understand why but it makes it really tough to beat DYMs at early levels with 15% and even 20% rake at lowest stakes.

    Re:Volume

    There is enough for me at 6max usually especially at peak times - however I doubt there would be enough to grind. I try and play the player where I can, so 2-3 tables max, although mostly just 1 or 2.

    Re:Stakes/Game types

    For my bankroll, I intend to keep to £1 until I have the 100 completed then probably move up to £3.

    I will stick to 6max for now. I enjoy the format more and I play for enjoyment so it makes sense - I also seem to get better results. I like MTTs but generally don't have the time, cant start too early and cant finish too late for work and family reasons.

    You get much more play in a 6max - worth trying to accumulate chips (without risking stack) early on. Can be aggressive on bubble because the win rewards greater than 2nd. Also slower structure means play can be more developed. You can also have some really great HU battles with plenty of play. I think they really help develop a good all round game.



  • edited January 2014
    Another 10 down and a pretty good run ROI for 6max back over 50% now
     1st2nd3rdOther
    DYM13281841
    sixmax19201021
     entriesbuy-inrakewinningsprofitROIhoursprofit/hr
    DYM100£100.00£15.00£118.00£3.002.6%27.5£0.11
    sixmax70£70.00£7.00£116.10£39.1050.8%35.2£1.11
    Last 20 games include a 7 game cash streak and 6 firsts in total.

    Hands like this don't hurt ;-)
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Thread Small blind  15.00 15.00 1485.00
    Phantom66 Big blind  30.00 45.00 1470.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
         
    yarddie127 Call  30.00 75.00 1470.00
    titanium09 Fold     
    smackjack Call  30.00 105.00 1470.00
    jkc1976 Fold     
    Thread Call  15.00 120.00 1470.00
    Phantom66 Raise  60.00 180.00 1410.00
    yarddie127 Call  60.00 240.00 1410.00
    smackjack Call  60.00 300.00 1410.00
    Thread Fold     
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 5
    • 10
         
    Phantom66 Bet  150.00 450.00 1260.00
    yarddie127 Call  150.00 600.00 1260.00
    smackjack Fold     
    Turn
       
    • J
         
    Phantom66 Check     
    yarddie127 Bet  300.00 900.00 960.00
    Phantom66 Call  300.00 1200.00 960.00
    River
       
    • 5
         
    Phantom66 Check     
    yarddie127 All-in  960.00 2160.00 0.00
    Phantom66 All-in  960.00 3120.00 0.00
    Phantom66 Show
    • A
    • Q
       
    yarddie127 Show
    • Q
    • A
       
    Phantom66 Win Royal Flush 3120.00  3120.00
    And before you say it - yes I probably played that one sub-optimally but a) initial raise was rushed I was handling an email and nearly default folded! 3BB button was pressed in haste. b) Once I hit I really wanted to get to show down as this is my first Royal Flush on Sky.

    In the end I won that game - ended up heads up with 1 player who had also doubled up fairly early. Was winning out on a long battle with opponent <1k chips when I got called away. Opponent had helped themselves back up to 2.6k on my return. I started chipping away again then they picked up QQ to my ATh aipf. A short while later we were aipf again, opponent had QQ again but this time I lucked out with a flush.
  • edited January 2014
    Quick update.

    Made it to 80 now last 10 games 4 1sts and 1 2nd place to keep the numbers up around the same sort of level.

    Quite a few 3rds - been experimenting with a touch more aggression on the bubble hence more 1sts and less cashes than normal but overall still profitable. In fact 1st place finishes are ahead of 2nds now which hasn't been the case for most of the challenge.
     1st2nd3rdOther
    DYM13281841
    sixmax23211323
     entriesbuy-inrakewinningsprofitROIhoursprofit/hr
    DYM100£100.00£15.00£118.00£3.002.6%27.5£0.11
    sixmax80£80.00£8.00£133.80£45.8052.0%41.1£1.11
    Had one interesting game where I was down to 5 chips 5 handed (TT lost to 44 on 356 board) and came back to playable stack then lost A6 to KJ aipf on bubble.

    Another had QQ then KK in consecutive hands at level 1 to bust 3 players aipf. 1 player shortie hang on for a couple of rounds then closed out for the win - lovely game when it's that easy.
  • edited January 2014
    don't play many sng's on sky anymore as I would really like to see them revamped, however when I do play them I tend to play dym but can have a realy good session followed by a really bad ond making for very little profit overall. after reading through this thread think I will give six max a go see how I get on
  • edited January 2014
    In Response to Re: STT Challenge and diary DYMs v 6max:
    don't play many sng's on sky anymore as I would really like to see them revamped, however when I do play them I tend to play dym but can have a realy good session followed by a really bad ond making for very little profit overall. after reading through this thread think I will give six max a go see how I get on
    Posted by scwuffy54
    Good luck Scwuffy
  • edited January 2014
    Nearly there 190 down 10 to go.

    Last run of 10 started well 3 wins on the bounce, finished with 2 on the bounce and had 2 2nds inbetween.

    First 3 just got good cards and played well - only issue came in one game HU with JJ losing to AK aipf to blow out my lead but managed to get it back.

    Had a bad streak in the middle - disconnection, got back with c500 chips and one other absent player picked up KK to double up couldn't quite get there.

    Had one interesting hand where on SB had 4 limpers ahead at 25/50 blinds, I shove with AA BB calls then UTG limper callers. BB has AQ and UTG has JQ - trip Jacks of course wins, sigh. That was my first 6th place finish for as long as I can remember.

    I am really pleased now that my 1sts are streaking ahead of my 2nds. Don't think much has changed with my HU game, more that I am accumulating chips better to have an advantage when we get there.

    One of my 2nds was an exception to the rule - got down to 3 handed I am under starting stack, there is an absent shortie and bigstack has bust everyone else out and knows to put the pressure on me. Card dead and just had to wait for absentee to bust.

    Last win in the 10 was interesting - posted the hand in Poker clinic - check down or not in all-in situation. I got some stick I'll be interested in feedback on that one. The player I "saved" came 2nd too.
     1st2nd3rdOther
    DYM13281841
    sixmax28231425
     entriesbuy-inrakewinningsprofitROIhoursprofit/hr
    DYM100£100.00£15.00£118.00£3.002.6%27.5£0.11
    sixmax90£90.00£9.00£157.50£58.5059.1%46.5£1.26
  • edited February 2014
    Well played them all now.

    Last 10 didn't get too well. My extra aggression ran into some bad luck and a few bust outs. Shoving over limpers is usually good in a 6max but you do start to question it when you get called by hands like QJ or J8 suited and you bust out. Maybe is some spots I got a bit aggro too soon and paid the price but went out 5 times when ahead in aipf - had 1 or 2 of those held my last 10 would have been much better.

    Last 10 had 0 1sts and only 3 2nds.

    Still ,overall a healthy profit on the 6max's and can't complain.

    They definitely suit me best and I will start a new challenge for 2014 based on 6max entries. I will also look to dabble in the odd PLO8 dym and a few MTTs as B/R allows.

    See you on the tables!
     1st2nd3rdOther
    DYM13281841
    sixmax28261630
     entriesbuy-inrakewinningsprofitROIhoursprofit/hr
    DYM100£100.00£15.00£118.00£3.002.6%27.5£0.11
    sixmax100£100.00£10.00£163.80£53.8048.9%51.5£1.04
    cash % 
    DYM59.0%
    sixmax54.0%


  • edited February 2014
    Good stuff Phantom
    Wp
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: STT Challenge and diary DYMs v 6max (COMPLETED):
    Well played them all now. Last 10 didn't get too well. My extra aggression ran into some bad luck and a few bust outs. Shoving over limpers is usually good in a 6max but you do start to question it when you get called by hands like QJ or J8 suited and you bust out. Maybe is some spots I got a bit aggro too soon and paid the price but went out 5 times when ahead in aipf - had 1 or 2 of those held my last 10 would have been much better. Last 10 had 0 1sts and only 3 2nds. Still ,overall a healthy profit on the 6max's and can't complain. They definitely suit me best and I will start a new challenge for 2014 based on 6max entries. I will also look to dabble in the odd PLO8 dym and a few MTTs as B/R allows. See you on the tables!   1st 2nd 3rd Other DYM 13 28 18 41 sixmax 28 26 16 30   entries buy-in rake winnings profit ROI hours profit/hr DYM 100 £100.00 £15.00 £118.00 £3.00 2.6% 27.5 £0.11 sixmax 100 £100.00 £10.00 £163.80 £53.80 48.9% 51.5 £1.04 cash %   DYM 59.0% sixmax 54.0%
    Posted by Phantom66
    Quality stuff.

    6max reg stt is summat ive rarely dabbled in nor felt confident when I have. Fantastic results there. Good luck on your new challenge
  • edited February 2014
    Cheers Teddy and Jac.

    And wp Jac on the new arrival.
  • edited February 2014
    Well done Phantom. I love the regular 6 max games but I would like to multitable them and there isnt much traffic. Hopefully some of the DYM grinders will switch formats now.   :)
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