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S-Scope Relevance on Sky Poker for tournament grinders?
I have noticed a few saying I have scoped your results for Sky players mainly for those who keep diaries and I am wondering how relevant sharkscope (ss) is for Sky players.
I say this as the predominant tournaments on sky are bh which in most cases accounts for 50% of the prize pool and ss does not record the bounty part of any winnings as far as I am aware so is flawed IMO as far as Sky is concerned. Thoughts?
I say this as the predominant tournaments on sky are bh which in most cases accounts for 50% of the prize pool and ss does not record the bounty part of any winnings as far as I am aware so is flawed IMO as far as Sky is concerned. Thoughts?
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I think they should update this then! Cheers Don for putting me straight. I have deliberately not used ss as I play most of my poker on here and I just thought well its not a true reflection of the real results. Live and learn lol.
As he says rebuys are it's biggest weakness. At least it uses averages now, until a few months ago it assumed every runner in every rebuy or frenzy spent played here had spent no money at all on rebuys or add-ons at all, just one entry fee each.
As a result there are a few rebuy/frenzy specialists here who have very misleading graphs, ie their profits are wildly exaggerated.
This applies on all sites. (Thinly veiled brag warning) I got 2nd for $532 in a $3 rebuy on a rival site a while back. Two weeks later I binked $852 for 1st in the exact same tournament. Both were missed by Sharkscope.
Until May 2011 lolufold was a fish on Sky Poker according to Sharkscope, they even had that stupid symbol next to his name. The reality was he was one of the top cash players on the site, also in 2010 he'd won $317K for 21st in the WSOP Main Event. It was just that up to that point he hadn't binked an online MTT on Sky, this example shows how misleading Sharkscope data can be.
how can you possibly know what anyone has in their hand ?
trends ? i dont know.
however a simple note on what a player has done or the hands he has played are of much more value imo.
i only play small stakes cash, and its amazing how often players stick to their game play.
likes calling 2 suited, goes all in with AK, likes to steal on the river, will check the nuts to induce a bet.
these i find are usefull to me, IT DOESNT MAKE ME ANY BETTER but at least i fold more often recognising when im coming second, NO COMPUTER SKILLS NEEDED
You're absolutely right; it can't help you play your cards and it won't improve your game. It has almost no use whatsoever for cash players like you. Yes, notes are far more important.
Sharkscope's main use is to assist with tournament table selection, this is particularly useful for STT players.
Consider this; if you saw a player sitting at a £10.50 HU STT table and were considering playing him wouldn't you want to know what his long-term ROI in HU STTs is first? I would. It could be -20%, it could be +20%. Having information like that at you fingertips is very useful and can make a big difference to you own long-term results.
It helps with self analysis too. It can show you in what types of games and at what buy-ins you're a winner and a loser.
For most players a Sharkscope subscription is probably a waste of money. If you're a semi-serious player who enters a lot of STTs then buying a subscription out of your profits is probably a wise investment.
at the same time when you see someone that you don't have notes on do something surprising at the table it's good to know if he is a winning or losing player.
Much happier to take a chance at the latter than the former
Every single player I play HU has their stats searched and noted along with the date. They're re-searched at least every couple of months after that date too. Often every week or so with higher volume 'regular' opponents.
It helps with your decision making and approach to the game when we are readless.
I'm more likely to take marginal spots early on against winning players, as the edge that I have (if any) is going to be relatively small.
Against big losing players I'll take a lower variance approach and decline some marginally +ev spots early on, as I'd expect there to be some significant leaks to exploit later on in the game, and I'm more likely to be able to grind them down by playing small ball pre flop and using post flop edges.
Of course interpreting the stats correctly is important.
The sample size has to be significant. A -20% roi over 50 games can pretty much be ignored.
Average stake, and notes about the recent direction of the graph are noted too.
It's quite easy to work out when a winning player is 'taking a shot' at a higher stake than usual. And also how he's done previously when shot taking. Of course this can be exploited too.
Love sharkscope, if you get the max out of it I reckon it can increase your ROI a % or 2! which is a lot!!
Edited to say: Spot on Geldy I've found it Middle/Late (20%): 17.8% for some reason it's listed separate from the others. The reason I couldn't understand what the %'s in bold meant was cos they only added up to 80.
I find it especially useful in STTs/MTTs when an unknown LAG appears on your table to your left.
Very important to know whether LAG is a winning or losing player - generally the last thing you want is a winning LAG with position on you. Losing LAGs are usually very exploitable.
If the LAG is getting away without show downs it can take quite a few orbits to work out whether they are any good or not.
BTW I don't pay for SS and use it more to keep an eye on my stats although I will scope the occasional player if they are new to me.