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Patwalshh in 2014 - [NEW POST - 01/02/2014]
Hi Pat,
Mostly play DYMs myself, at £5 level.
Find myself tilting a bit after a losing session, how do you deal with this?
I know I can beat the games so I really should just accept it and come back the next day, but seem to stupidly reg for a Russian roulette or something else.
YouMad.
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I'm a DYM reg, play as many tables as my computer allows (normally 11). I'd like to think I'm not a typical sit and go regular, and have something unique about my approach to the game. I probably have the highest hourly out of the DYMs REGULARS.
I've had some highs in Poker (£2.5k score, crushed 100nl for a month) and I've had some lows (this year). Mainly the biggest battle has been with myself. Anyway, I thought it'd be nice to provide a question and answer for anyone out there that still plays SNGs (tumble weed).
I'll more than likely turn this thread into a mini-diary, but in the mean time - feel free to post anything that you desire.
*on Sky
GL with this btw mate
I ask because I'm sure I get better results when taking instinctive decisions based on bet sizes and stack sizes rather than trying to think too much and play hands to try and outplay opponents.
On 6max I think the reverse is true, because you have to play your opponents more with deeper structure, 2 spots instead of 3 and the greater reward for 1st place.
In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]: Thanks man!
In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]: Everyone has their way to vent. I'm definately improving on it though. Appreciate the positive post and I look forward to playing with you at the tables.
In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:
Just a quick question for you?
What would you consider a decent ROI for a recreational low stakes DYM player?
Cheers
Mick
I think the difficulty with 9-max is that you will a) run into bigger hands & b) the action is slower, so boredom and inpatience can creep in. I'd be tight from early position, especially during the lower blind levels. I like to isolate and take advantage of position as much as possible and in line with this I often 3 bet light in the latter stages from the CO or Button (vs the right opponents) - so try to explore that concept a little. In saying that, strategies will inevitably work differently for different players.
If you specify your question a little more, I'd be more than happy to go into more depth.
And in no particular order: (1 & 2 kinda tie in together)
1) Learn the value and importance of ICM (independent chip model) and how it specifically applies to latter blind levels.
Basically everything revolves around stack sizes, so be completely aware of that in your bet sizes, shoves and value of your own hand (I'd happily open fold AA in some ICM instances)
I base my answer on rake alone (10% and sometimes higher at the lower levels) being difficult to beat over the long term. If you're serious about the game and take the time to critically analyse your play, watch videos, read poker forums, or you're talking about £1/£2 DYMs - then I'd consider a skillful ROI to be (2-4%) and an excellent ROI to be (5-7%).
And of course this is over a very good sample size; 1000 games is somewhat meaningful, 2,500 games begins to give you a more accurate understanding of your ROI and 5,000 games gives you a very clear understanding of your ROI. (I understand most recreational players play nowhere near as many games as this).
I base my answer on rake alone (10% and sometimes higher at the lower levels) being difficult to beat over the long term. If you're serious about the game and take the time to critically analyse your play, watch videos, read poker forums, or you're talking about £1/£2 DYMs - then I'd consider a skillful ROI to be (2-4%) and an excellent ROI to be (5-7%).
And of course this is over a very good sample size; 1000 games is somewhat meaningful, 2,500 games begins to give you a more accurate understanding of your ROI and 5,000 games gives you a very clear understanding of your ROI. (I understand most recreational players play nowhere near as many games as this).
Thanks for the detailed response Pat.
I play mostly at the £1 & £2 levels, mainly Holdem (but recently been dabbling in PLO8).
I've played 2,106 games and have a ROI of 2.5%
I'll try to carry on learning and see if i can get to the 5% mark :-)
Cheers
Mick
PS Should i move up a level?
Best of luck
May stay where i am until after Xmas then try moving up in the New Year.
GL
Mick
Best of luck with them
Obvi its a format that you are good at and 7.5k profit is not to be sniffed at but over that same period of time playing 100NL a good player would smash that figure out of sight so i was just wanting to know why your sticking with the dym format of poker and not moving to cash where your profits could go through the roof ?
Are you sticking with DYMs because the variance is so much less brutal or is it down to bank roll etc, im just intrigued to know because imo the best and most profitable form of the game is cash poker so if your good at it i think you should stick at it mate.
Good luck
Kev
Answers my question perfectly
£3k in a month at 100nl is good going mate and that only emphasizes what i said about cash being the ultimate goal for you instead of putting in the long hours you are on DYMs for a fraction of the profits.
Also WD on your deep run in last nights main event and Good Luck for the future
Hi Pat
We have played 100's maybe a 1000 games against each other.
What do you of my game?
You don't have to be nice not got a problem with what you put on here.
Why we all need to experience downswings within Poker -
Poker is the ultimate test of character. It starts off as a simple excitement or passion for something new. But what that excitement and passion materialises into is up to you. We all experience highs and lows within the game. We win a couple of tournaments or big cash pots, and we're suddenly the best player on the planet. We get sucked out in a handful of momentous pots, and lo and behold we're suddenly the most unlucky player in the world.
We realise there's more to the game than we first thought, so we decide to work on improving our ability. We read some articles, post some hands, watch some tutorials. All in hope of developing a greater understanding. Sometimes it's enough to propel us forward and up a stake. Suddenly, we're beating a stake that previously seemed so out of reach. There's bumps along the way, but we hold with us a greater awareness or focus. We realise that AA will be cracked, huge chip leads will crumble and that we're at mercy to the crippling omnipotence of variance.
Nonetheless, we persist and push forward. We weather the hard times and relish the good. Ideas form and we improve. Suddenly we don't have to fast play every hand. Hero folds emerge as a viable asset within our arsenal. We're constantly improving, moving forward and outplaying our opponents. Non-showdown winnings skyrocket, and suddenly we're near impossible to get value out of.
Somewhere along the line, you face the biggest downswing of your life. Nothing will work and more importantly, nothing will help you win. You see the value in the games you're playing, players pitfalls are rampant around you, but yet something's different. All of a sudden, players always have the one hand you didn't want them to. All of a sudden, the best hand gets cracked time after time, session after session. This continues for hour after hour, day after day, week after week. Your confidence begins to crumble. Your lack of respect for a once highly respected game diminishes. You become the one person at the table you never wanted to be - the one that reeks of injustice and distain toward your fellow opponents.
I believe that downswings are wake ups, the ultimate test of character and ability. Downswings are things we all need to remind ourselves that we're not the best player we can be. Improvements can and always should be made. How many of us experience a huge upswing, but fail to look at the leaks we currently behold? That little extra value we should have gained. When downswings come back to haunt us, such factors can be the difference between a winning and losing session.
For the vast majority, it is only when we experience a big downswing, that we begin to question our game. Approaches that seemed optimal before, suddenly lose credibility. We question ourselves and our game. Yes this questioning and second guessing can be extremely negative, but it's a necessary factor in our drive for continual improvement and development. If we always won, we wouldn't necessarily be critical of our game.
There's a big difference between a good and a great poker player. A good poker player will be comfortable grinding the same stake, grinding the ever diminishing edge that they hold over the other players. A great player will thrive under pressure. Will always look to make the most +EV decisions regardless of the risk or the stakes at play. Always improve and always persist.
Patwalshh