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£100 deep stack...cmon on sky!
Hi folks
I was reluctant to flag this as a criticism of sky but i do feel like the low level deep stacks on sky at £2.20 for £100 instead of £200 are a bit mean. I used to play dym's and BH's etc but lost interest and just played some DS's to keep my hand in a bit as i'd lost interest tbh. Don't get me wrong. i like Sky poker. I've joined a team and play the DTD forum regularly but do find that the pay outs, something like money back for 12th or so, a bit mean considering that people will probably move up bi's if they have some meaningful success. Yes i could speculate in the £750 DS's for £22 or try to satellite but im not so inclined atm or financially able or willing to play £22 bi's for some entertainment.
Medical situations have seen poker be more helpful to my enjoyment of living in the last couple of years but now i find myself being a little critical of some 'stuff'. I know its a bit petty but am i alone in finding a potentially enjoyable tournament lacking because the prize set up is so frankly meaningless unless you top three say. I'd pay £5.50 bi but there doesnt seem to be many if any on sky. Maybe im just a bit fed up today. No doubt the DTD tonight will cheer me up. Last week i came 2nd onerall for a profit of a fiver or so but that didnt matter as it was for the team. In the middle of the week its a bit of a different emotion. Any thoughts guys. Maybe its just PMS!!!!!! LOL
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The £5 buy ins are flooded with BHs and a couple of 2k starting stack freezeouts.
Morning Proffy,
How many runners do these £2.20, £100 Guaranteed Deepstacks get?
I play these evening deepstacks when i am off work. and they always seem to get over 100 runners.
All the best
Rainman397
Regarding payout structures, it's just the nature of MTT's, they will always be (and should always remain imo) top heavy, I think that the Sky structures are actually pretty good since the changes they made a while ago. If you flatten these structures too much you end up taking too much off the top and diluting the appeal of winning the tournament which in turn can have a negative effect on the overall appeal of the tournament and therefor negatively affect player numbers.......... Which again leads us to a situation of failing to make guarantees......
Simple answer - stop meesing about with min cashes and go and win the things
FWIW, I also agree about £5.50 / £11.00 Freezouts, I would love to see more in this buy-in range, but as we all know Sky punters do love a bounty hunter!
Avg prizepool - 10 x buyins = roughly what the gntee should be.
Then move it up and down accordingly.
5 minute job once a week to do this for every tournament on the site.
They run 7 days a week as far as I know.
I really don't understand what it is you're asking for, could you please, very succinctly itemise exactly what you want to see?
Is it, a). More tournaments? b). higher guarantees? c). different prize structures? d). Sky to just give out additional prize money for fun? e). All of the above?
I honestly can't understand the prize-pool issue, you've already said that a £2.20 tournament is regularly getting around 100 runners. Regardless of what the GTD is, this IS a £200 tournament. Changing the guarantee will have absolutely zero effect on the payouts. If I'm misunderstanding, please put me on the right track
but I have a few points to make.
First of all your comment "As for that ridiculous win rate to gain profit then surely that supports my feelings of 'why bother' syndrome." with regard to Paul's statement. I've had 3 years of free poker from an initial deposit of £25 thanks to a ROI of over 30% and 95% of my mtts have been the 2 deepstacks we are discussing. This isn't meant as a brag but to illustrate that Paul is correct and it's entirely possible to achieve. But that is taking it to the extreme and any +ROI is possible if your prepared to learn and improve, while still enjoying the game.
Last weeks Orfy had 141 runners with a first prize of £116 down to £6.77 for 16th place.
DTD1 had 173 runners wih a first prize of £94 down to £4.64 for 18th place.
How can you say that it's not appealing especially the DTD? Yes it's not easy to cash and even harder to win but isn't that what it's all about, challenging yourself?
You then say that quite a lot who play the deepstacks have the same feeling as yourself. Sorry I have to disagree or how else do you explain that the numbers have risen this year ? Like you I would like see more deepstacks but the fact is they aren't as popular as bounty hunters.
I get the impression that you are or have lost your love for the game and your trying to justify yourself by finding fault when there's really no fault there.
You raise some good points.
It would be good for sky to increase the gurantee from £100 on the 7:15 deepstack, anytime i play it, it usually has 90-110 runners.
Also they could defo introduce more £3, £5 deep stack buy ins.
A min cash in the 7:15 or 7:45 is usually double the entry fee. Last time i won the £1 d/s it was about £35, pretty sure its normally around the £32-£36 mark. While this is not a massive amount of money, it's quite a decent prize imo for a £1, 100 runner MTT.
When i was playing loads of MTT's i was playing these 2 MTT's most nights and even to this day i would say they are some of my favourite tournies on sky.
I play the £2.20 @2.20 DEEPSTACK most afternoons asi work a night shift, dont think a gtd prize will affect the numbers.
but i would like to see more deepstacks on the site, i find they are a great way to learn poker and very enjoyable.
All the best
Rainman397
P.S ANYONE AVAILABLE 4 THE £2.20 @2.20 DEEPSTACK THIS AFTERNOON.
What I would like to see is a slight rejigging of levels to provide deeper play at late levels. For a deepstack tourney they are still too much of a shovefest on the final table. (waits for all the comments saying No! they take long enough already!)
BTW Stokes thread was asking for an increased guarantee in the 7-15 deepie but we never got a response off Sky (no surprise there)
It is a problem with all structures on here, and the faster the structure the more it is amplified.
Antes would help. How do we still not have antes?