How do you rate yourself?

silentbob

There seems to be more & more posts slating bad players & the like so I thought I'd see what people really thought of their own skill level.

Personally, I see myself as just below average. One day with some luck on the night, I might well take down one of the 8pm tourneys but it's more than likely that I won't. And you know what, that's absolutely fine. I'm not a professional and there are certain things in the finer points of the game that I don't think I'll ever understand & that's why I'll always play the stakes that I do. I make a small profit the majority of the time to keep me ticking over & allow me to indulge in what is really nothing more than a hobby.

I understand the basics, the concept of pot odds (actual & implied) & the importance of position but sometimes, although I understand these things I don't always put them into practice (particularly the odds simply because I'm not all that great at maths). All of this means I know my own game has its limits which will affect not just me, but everyone else sat on my tables with me. I promise you that there will be times when I'll make a bad call & get lucky & there will also be times when I make a play at the wrong time and get lucky (as I did earlier & was promptly berated by someone at the table who wasn't even involved in the hand!). However, for every time I get it in with the worst of it I know for a fact that I'm gonna lose more than I win in those situations.

Having said all that, I do have a decent understanding of what I'm doing so all I ask is that when I do get lucky please understand that it's the nature of the beast. 

Maybe it's just me but as frustrating as it is because no one likes losing, I just don't understand all the berating of playing standards that have gone on lately. 

debdobs_67

i have not voted but there is alot of bad players and chancers around,but it is their money and they can do as they please with it.debs xx

unknown_username

lol i bet most put above average!!!!

silentbob

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lol i bet most put above average!!!!
Posted by MICKYBLUE

That's fine if that's what people truly believe.

Nutter5932

Interesting -

I would rate my self as perhaps slightly above average overall but some areas of my game below average and some above :P.

A little self-confidence will never hurt anyone because its an individual game 99% of the time no else at the table will be rooting for you to beat them lets face it. Sitting down at a table and not believing you can win has already hndered your chances.

Seagull158

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There seems to be more & more posts slating bad players & the like so I thought I'd see what people really thought of their own skill level. Personally, I see myself as just below average. One day with some luck on the night, I might well take down one of the 8pm tourneys but it's more than likely that I won't. And you know what, that's absolutely fine. I'm not a professional and there are certain things in the finer points of the game that I don't think I'll ever understand & that's why I'll always play the stakes that I do. I make a small profit the majority of the time to keep me ticking over & allow me to indulge in what is really nothing more than a hobby. I understand the basics, the concept of pot odds (actual & implied) & the importance of position but sometimes, although I understand these things I don't always put them into practice (particularly the odds simply because I'm not all that great at maths). All of this means I know my own game has its limits which will affect not just me, but everyone else sat on my tables with me. I promise you that there will be times when I'll make a bad call & get lucky & there will also be times when I make a play at the wrong time and get lucky (as I did earlier & was promptly berated by someone at the table who wasn't even involved in the hand!). However, for every time I get it in with the worst of it I know for a fact that I'm gonna lose more than I win in those situations. Having said all that, I do have a decent understanding of what I'm doing so all I ask is that when I do get lucky please understand that it's the nature of the beast.  Maybe it's just me but as frustrating as it is because no one likes losing, I just don't understand all the berating of playing standards that have gone on lately. 
Posted by silentbob

I have recently discovered the Sharkscope website and  was very interested to see what my rsting wa (50) 2 weeks ago and pleased that it has improved to 52 since then. Aren't those stats the most accurate way to determine how good each player is? I got flamed in a previous post because I quotes 3 other plaers' stats without asking permission so I won't do it here but, SilentBob, since we are tod that 99% of payers lose money you must be in the top 1% and, therefore well above average!!!!!!

Tikay10

What a fine Post by SilentBob. He should speak up more.

silentbob

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In Response to How do you rate yourself? : I have recently discovered the Sharkscope website and  was very interested to see what my rsting wa (50) 2 weeks ago and pleased that it has improved to 52 since then. Aren't those stats the most accurate way to determine how good each player is? I got flamed in a previous post because I quotes 3 other plaers' stats without asking permission so I won't do it here but, SilentBob, since we are tod that 99% of payers lose money you must be in the top 1% and, therefore well above average!!!!!!
Posted by Seagull158

What makes you say that? Maybe I didn't word my OP very well but I haven't made that much! FWIW, If you're going off my scope stats then as reasonable as they look I also play a fair bit of cash too so they certainly don't show the whole picture. TBH, I personally don't tend to take too much notice of scope stats as I don't think they show a very accurate picture.

35suited

I put below average, i can play great poker for an hour or 2 then in 5 minutes of madness ill blow 2 hours good work, if i could cut those 5 minutes out id have probasblyvoted average

unknown_username

In Response to Re: How do you rate yourself?:

In Response to How do you rate yourself? : I have recently discovered the Sharkscope website and  was very interested to see what my rsting wa (50) 2 weeks ago and pleased that it has improved to 52 since then. Aren't those stats the most accurate way to determine how good each player is? I got flamed in a previous post because I quotes 3 other plaers' stats without asking permission so I won't do it here but, SilentBob, since we are tod that 99% of payers lose money you must be in the top 1% and, therefore well above average!!!!!!
Posted by Seagull158

Being slightly above average might mean you lose slightly less than the average player loses.

SolarCarro

I put above average slightly as I have turned a profit so far both online and live.

Sharkscope is useless as it doesn't recognise satellites and as I only enter the open via satellite if I lose I show -11 instead of -2.40

Also when you win an entry etc that goes as -22 or -33 when I was TV guest for example.

My own records show a profit of double what sharkscope says.

So I reckon slightly above average but depends what average is?

Dave

scotty77

Every single poster who moans about bad players, are bad players themselves but are oblivious to it.

ness4

Average Joe =]

silentbob

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Every single poster who moans about bad players, are bad players themselves but are oblivious to it.
Posted by scotty77

Interesting. TBH Scotty, this is kinda why I started this thread really. As I said in my OP, I'm certainly not a great player & am interested in how others see themselves.

scotty77

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In Response to Re: How do you rate yourself? : Interesting. TBH Scotty, this is kinda why I started this thread really. As I said in my OP, I'm certainly not a great player & am interested in how others see themselves.
Posted by silentbob

well if you understand poker, you should have a grasp of variance which will mean that you will realise all the bad beats will even out.

however i do play a lot of poker, and hvae done for many years. i still get tilted by bad beats sometimes, especially if they come in hand after hand.

i imagine that they would be even more tilting if i only played a couple of times a week to 'chill out'.  maybe i would have less respect for variance and be more inclinded to moan about it

IMO the bad beat threads aren't that bad.  the ones that wind me up ar ethe OMFG sky is so rigged/LOLUFOLD is superuser etc.  the people that post them should have their accoutns deleted by sky for their sheer stupidity.

debdobs_67

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Every single poster who moans about bad players, are bad players themselves but are oblivious to it.
Posted by scotty77

absolute rubbish.ive seen you in the chatbox b4 after a donk call and youve commented on it.does that make you a bad player?i think not.debs xx

debdobs_67

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In Response to Re: How do you rate yourself? : well if you understand poker, you should have a grasp of variance which will mean that you will realise all the bad beats will even out. however i do play a lot of poker, and hvae done for many years. i still get tilted by bad beats sometimes, especially if they come in hand after hand. i imagine that they would be even more tilting if i only played a couple of times a week to 'chill out'.  maybe i would have less respect for variance and be more inclinded to moan about it IMO the bad beat threads aren't that bad.  the ones that wind me up ar ethe OMFG sky is so rigged/LOLUFOLD is superuser etc.  the people that post them should have their accoutns deleted by sky for their sheer stupidity.
Posted by scotty77

now youve just contradicted ure last post.make ure mind up.debs xx

Seagull158

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In Response to Re: How do you rate yourself? : What makes you say that? Maybe I didn't word my OP very well but I haven't made that much! FWIW, If you're going off my scope stats then as reasonable as they look I also play a fair bit of cash too so they certainly don't show the whole picture. TBH, I personally don't tend to take too much notice of scope stats as I don't think they show a very accurate picture.
Posted by silentbob

Most players lose moneyso any player who makes an overall profit must be well above average. If it is accurate that 99% of players lose money, then anyone making a profit is in top 1%. If only 75% lose money then anyone making a profit is on top25%. Simple, not average!

scotty77

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In Response to Re: How do you rate yourself? : absolute rubbish.ive seen you in the chatbox b4 after a donk call and youve commented on it.does that make you a bad player?i think not.debs xx
Posted by debdobs_67

i usually play too many tables to have chat on.  if i have one table up usually ill type LOL or NH.

if i have ha da couple of drinks i might go a bit further

rats107

Most players lose moneyso any player who makes an overall profit must be well above average. If it is accurate that 99% of players lose money, then anyone making a profit is in top 1%. If only 75% lose money then anyone making a profit is on top25%. Simple, not average!


i'm a well below average player who plays a reasonable amount, at the minute i'm showing a slight profit but in the end i'll lose it. (Have won an 8 pm and final tabled through luck,so  it's far from impossible silentbob!)  

At the end of the day poker is a hobby as far as i'm concerned and i'm willing to pay a certain amount to take part in it while others are not,which leads to moaning when we hit the bad times imo, just play with what you are willing to lose if u manage to not make a loss its fun for free, isn't it? 

mabsue

i would rate my play as slightly above average i have had a good year live and online i am about 5k up  so thats pretty good in my opinion but i aint no star to many small mistakes cost me dear at important times worse online live i am better when i apply myself i was down to 1400 chips this week and went on to win a 75 runner 12000 chip deepstack tourny so i cant be all bad lol

unknown_username

Average in this case is subjective. Average of what? Average compared to whom?

I'm the best player at home (the dog's asleep at the moment) so what should I click on. Good topic though and should liven up the forum a bit when it gets going............ oops sorry I see Scotty has already livened it up a bit )

debdobs_67

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In Response to Re: How do you rate yourself? : i usually play too many tables to have chat on.  if i have one table up usually ill type LOL or NH. if i have ha da couple of drinks i might go a bit further
Posted by scotty77

lmao that was a really good reply.take care debs xx

Eagle26

many people on ere certainly think they are way way better than they actually are! they play typical abc poker and think others should be playing exactly the same way! sure i totally agree some of the calls some people make are absolutly baffling but at the end of the day its there money and they can do with it as they wish! it actually makes me laugh when i see some people on here criticising other peoples games when them themselves have have a very limited understanding of the game, and have no ability to play hands other than the premiums in the same obvious way down the streets! and then cant understand when there pocket aces got busted by someone who called pre-flop with 7-8 suited!...its funny when a player like lolufold  who i believe was chip leader going into day2 in wsop? gets criticised and called a 'fish' or 'donk' by some people on this forum who obviously think they are awesome-but in reality will never get above or think beyond a certain level!! stick to ya typical, obvious, standard abc poker ;-) dunno how the good players will ever figure it or u out??

woooosh

Put below average although sharkscope says 69% and in profit. 

But I only play small stakes and am quite happy where I am at the moment - one day - may move up to bigger and better things.

The real answer is above average at the stakes I am playing - below average if I moved up a level, does that make sense?

Seagull158

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Put below average although sharkscope says 69% and in profit.  But I only play small stakes and am quite happy where I am at the moment - one day - may move up to bigger and better things. The real answer is above average at the stakes I am playing - below average if I moved up a level, does that make sense?
Posted by woooosh

Wooooosh, it makes sense but the only part of it that is fact is that you are above average for the level you play at. You don't know how good you are at the higher levels because you haven't played there.

woooosh

ooo ok maybe this year or next year should i say

tiercel

I have ended the year with more in my Sky account than when I started so I must be doing something right but I have a tendency to bang all in at the wrong time and call them just to prove I can't be bullied - instead I get battered so I rated myself slightly above average ( but at small buy-in MTTs ) .
At cash I would be rubbish because I would be too conscious that I was playing with real money so I think the really good players would have to be good at bll disciplines.

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There seems to be more & more posts slating bad players & the like so I thought I'd see what people really thought of their own skill level. Personally, I see myself as just below average. One day with some luck on the night, I might well take down one of the 8pm tourneys but it's more than likely that I won't. And you know what, that's absolutely fine. I'm not a professional and there are certain things in the finer points of the game that I don't think I'll ever understand & that's why I'll always play the stakes that I do. I make a small profit the majority of the time to keep me ticking over & allow me to indulge in what is really nothing more than a hobby. I understand the basics, the concept of pot odds (actual & implied) & the importance of position but sometimes, although I understand these things I don't always put them into practice (particularly the odds simply because I'm not all that great at maths). All of this means I know my own game has its limits which will affect not just me, but everyone else sat on my tables with me. I promise you that there will be times when I'll make a bad call & get lucky & there will also be times when I make a play at the wrong time and get lucky (as I did earlier & was promptly berated by someone at the table who wasn't even involved in the hand!). However, for every time I get it in with the worst of it I know for a fact that I'm gonna lose more than I win in those situations. Having said all that, I do have a decent understanding of what I'm doing so all I ask is that when I do get lucky please understand that it's the nature of the beast.  Maybe it's just me but as frustrating as it is because no one likes losing, I just don't understand all the berating of playing standards that have gone on lately. 
Posted by silentbob

OnlyOneCT

No comment lol!

silentbob

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Average in this case is subjective. Average of what? Average compared to whom? I'm the best player at home (the dog's asleep at the moment) so what should I click on. Good topic though and should liven up the forum a bit when it gets going............ oops sorry I see Scotty has already livened it up a bit )
Posted by elsadog

That's a good question Elsa & if I'm being honest not something I thought too much about when I started this!

I suppose what I'm asking is really just general terms if that makes any sense?

FWIW, I think there are a fair few fantastic players on this site that obviously know their stuff particularly when it comes to the finer points of the game & I've got the utmost respect for them. Likewise though, I think there's also a fair few people on the site who clearly believe they're better players than what they are so it's quite interesting to see the results of the initial poll.

I really would like to know who voted world class though, lol

darich

I make a profit, so have gone for slightly above average. My MTT game is distinctly average, but I do okay at low level cash and sit n gos