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Limping with JJ
Limping with jacks sometimes works...sometimes.
Nice spot here. 3 way all in on flop with only 1 out against me.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| horne03 | Small blind | 30.00 | 30.00 | 5270.00 | |
| oynutter | Big blind | 60.00 | 90.00 | 1470.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| Jam667 | Call | 60.00 | 150.00 | 3745.00 | |
| bet72off | Call | 60.00 | 210.00 | 13900.00 | |
| sillymid | Raise | 240.00 | 450.00 | 5720.00 | |
| wafu | Fold | ||||
| horne03 | Fold | ||||
| oynutter | Fold | ||||
| Jam667 | Call | 180.00 | 630.00 | 3565.00 | |
| bet72off | Raise | 960.00 | 1590.00 | 12940.00 | |
| sillymid | Call | 780.00 | 2370.00 | 4940.00 | |
| Jam667 | Call | 780.00 | 3150.00 | 2785.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| Jam667 | All-in | 2785.00 | 5935.00 | 0.00 | |
| bet72off | Call | 2785.00 | 8720.00 | 10155.00 | |
| sillymid | All-in | 4940.00 | 13660.00 | 0.00 | |
| bet72off | Call | 2155.00 | 15815.00 | 8000.00 | |
| Jam667 | Show |
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| bet72off | Show |
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| sillymid | Show |
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| Turn | |||||
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| River | |||||
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| sillymid | Win | Full House, Aces and Jacks | 15815.00 | 15815.00 | |
Oh well.
Comments
Over limp re-raise with JJ.....really?
If there are two limpers, then I happy to rasie pre-flop with AJ. Looking back, I didn't realise how big the limp/raise was at the time. Once I hit two pairs, then I am going to get it all in. OK I got lucky.
Any thoughts on whether I should have called that limp/raise?
Your logic seems flawed from what I've seen you post, if I'm being honest.
In the space of 2 moves, you've gone from one end of the spectrum to the other; overlimp with JJ which is quite weak, followed by r/r which is very strong, turns our hand somewhat face up and probably means we are overvaluing our hand now. As when we make this move, as I said above, generally we are folding out everything we beat, and getting action exclusively from hands that fare pretty well vs JJ.
I think it depends on the table. I am used to playing freerolls and very low buy-in tournaments, and I seem to do OK in those. I have a lot of trouble bigger tournaments and maybe I am not just not adjusting for those. I am used to playing players as bad as myself.
Just because we have JJ on a Kxx board doesn't mean we have to meekly check fold, equally just because we have JJ on a 2 3 9 board doesn't mean we have to get every single chip in. We should be looking at our opponents, their image and range, our perceived image and range, bet sizing, any reads/history....put it all in a big thought process melting pot, and that should allow us to make logical decisions when facing a key hand. Sometimes we'll get it wrong. Of course there will be times when we pay them off, or get bluffed off the best hand. But this is normal, it's poker. As long as we make more correct decisions over time than 'incorrect' play, we should reap the rewards.
In this hand, we don't know that the original raiser has been iso raising limpers a lot. Fair enough. If anything, this would generally encourage me to keep up the sneaky play with JJ. Because when we then re-raise, as I've said before but can't stress enough, we fold out all their marginal hands, pretty much every pocket pair below JJ, some random junk etc etc.....so that means we generally (not always gonna be the case of course, but thinking long term....) are getting action from hands that crush us or have very good equity. So now we're playing a bloated pot, out of position, vs 2 people, both of which have very narrowed ranges that are usually gonna be in ok to great shape vs JJ.
I think you're final point is way off. With this play, you are making it easier for people to play against you...ie people will make less mistakes vs you when you do this. You are narrowing your range right down, so someone trying to pinch with 78s can make an easy fold, someone iso raising with 99 can make an easy fold. Someone iso raising with KK however is not gonna be scared off, and thus this is where you get the action, from a hand that crushes us.
I genuinely wish you well.
Good luck, run well!
Obviously the skill level varies massively in poker and depending on the stakes you play. But the fundamentals remain the same. 88 will be in awful shape waaaaaayy more often than in ok shape, in this exact scenario. It seems you're trying to justify certain plays, and have just a single example to back it up.....like I said at the start, look long term and try and do play/moves that will be +EV over time.