How many bad beats to bad players can you take.

69steve

It is like a constant attack of bad players, bingo player and fishermen. Ok we all take a risk now and then , However this is day in day out. Won 200 pounds , within a week gone and 100 more. Bad beat bad beat bad beat. Just needs to be a little bit of fairness about it. Personally i love sky poker , love the set up and the layout and the ease of play, Really like the bounty hunter games.  I have stayed loyal, i know i am not the best player in the world, but i am good enough to hold my own with post players. All i ask is STOP REWARDING BAD PLAY AND BAD PLAYERS EVERY BLOODY TIME. You will lose lots of good spending customers .........................................FFS !!!!!!!!!!!

DOHHHHHHH

The people you think are bad, are probably good.......

Tikay10

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It is like a constant attack of bad players, bingo player and fishermen. Ok we all take a risk now and then , However this is day in day out. Won 200 pounds , within a week gone and 100 more. Bad beat bad beat bad beat. Just needs to be a little bit of fairness about it. Personally i love sky poker , love the set up and the layout and the ease of play, Really like the bounty hunter games.  I have stayed loyal, i know i am not the best player in the world, but i am good enough to hold my own with post players. All i ask is STOP REWARDING BAD PLAY AND BAD PLAYERS EVERY BLOODY TIME. You will lose lots of good spending customers .........................................FFS !!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by 69steve

Really sorry you have had a bad run Steve, though from your previous posts, it appears it is not the first time.
 
I'm not having sport with you, but how exactly can the site (Sky Poker) stop these happening?

Post some hands, ideally 8 or 10. & I guarantee you that a whole shed load of help & advice will come your way. You could also read the "WAR ON TILT" thread on the Community, or the latest Blog on Sky Poker, which is essentially an abstract from "The Mental Game of Poker". 

Do all those things, & I guarantee you will be a better player, & see these things differently.

Hope your luck turns soon.  

The reply by D7H may seem a little harsh, but I'll tell you one thing for certain. In poker, in the long-term, the better players ALWAYS win the most, & the lesser players always lose the most. Thats not luck.
 
Together, we can help you be a better player, & understand these bad beats.

You even think they happen "EVERY TIME", but thats not true, is it? You mean "sometimes", "quite often", "too often". But nobody is going to take you seriously if you claim it is EVERY TIME. That's just selective memory.

Come on, post some hands & we'll get started.

Have a great weekend, too.

We are doing something wrong if, when we log on to our favourite poker site each time, be it Sky Poker or any other site, if we are not as excited as a kid on Xmas Eve. Poker should be fun, but you don't seem to be enjoying it much right now. But you could enjoy it....

hhyftrftdr

Tikay has to be diplomatic but I don't.

You're talking out your ar$$e Steve.

oynutter

 Have a think about the odds of getting a bad beat with the hands you play --- the only way to lower these odds is to play better hands

Glenelg

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It is like a constant attack of bad players, bingo player and fishermen. Ok we all take a risk now and then , However this is day in day out. Won 200 pounds ,  .........................................FFS !!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by 69steve

THink I musta missed THAT post! ;-)

 Being serious tho, I feel your pain.  Why not post a few "key" hands in the clinic from your losing streak with some details about the tourney, the opposition, your thinking along the streets etc. You will get feedback.  It will be invaluable.   Also, what is your bankroll & what games do you play?  MOST importantly, WHY do you play?  THIS is the key.....

GL

NoseyBonk

Could Sky Poker not provide a game that does away with the flop, turn and river? So only your dealt hands are played? Kinda like Top Trumps. That may eliminate all the tiresome "bad-beat" whining.

Tikay10

Steve, I've just had a thought.

Why not watch the Ch 861 Show tonight? (repeated tomorrow).

The Guest is Matt Bates. He gets the same cards as you & me, but he plays them better than we do.

This is his record on 2014.

5 main event wins (the most on the site this year)
13 main event final tables this year.
4 mini wins, 9 final tables
Won The Super Roller on 7^th Sep for £4,741
Won £500 on the Jackpot 5^th & 1^st in the main and mini events on 16^th Jan



Just watch him for an hour, on the Show tonight, & you'll end up a better player.

cardu

i always go out to a bad beat which used to really annoy me but stopped looking at it like that...

if i get all my chips in good and get a worse hand to call then i have played it well....i cant control the card that comes...i know over time i will be on the plus side against these players.

i have played live for years and have made a good profit every year...

i play online more for fun,if i played every night etc then i would start to make a profit over time.........good luck to you steve and try to ignore the haters

hhyftrftdr

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i always go out to a bad beat which used to really annoy me but stopped looking at it like that... if i get all my chips in good and get a worse hand to call then i have played it well....i cant control the card that comes...i know over time i will be on the plus side against these players. i have played live for years and have made a good profit every year... i play online more for fun,if i played every night etc then i would start to make a profit over time.........good luck to you steve and try to ignore the haters
Posted by cardu

No you don't. No one does.

cardu

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In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take. : No you don't. No one does.
Posted by hhyftrftdr

emmm yes i do

cardu

like i say steve...ignore the haters

hhyftrftdr

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In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take. : emmm yes i do
Posted by cardu

You never go out of a tournament with an underpair? Or lose a race? Or miss a draw? Or outkicked?

TeddyBloat

if that's true then you are too nitty and are probably jamming your short-stack with AK and getting looked up by all kinds of stuff = outdraws.

if you always exit to a bad beat, then it's not the RNG that's causing you to miss out on £££

an old adage: if you're never caught bluffing then you arent bluffing enough.

apply that to never getting it in bad

IDONKCALLU

All i can say to the post is

U WANT TO PLAY BAD PLAYERS U LOVE TO BE CALLED WHEN THEY GOT BAD CARDS ITS A DREAM THING IS U ARE THINKING SHORT TERM NOT LONG TERM SHORT TERM THESE SO CALLED BAD PLAYERS WILL CRACK YOUR ACES ETC WHEN THEY HIT 2 PAIR VS YA ACES  AND THEY GET LUCKY HITTING THE RIVER BUT LONG TERM U WILL BEAT THE BAD PLAYERS

oynutter

 But these bad players are bad!--- They do bad things, and then we are forced to play bad against them, and then we might get unlucky and lose, and then we might as well cry!

Matt237

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Tikay has to be diplomatic but I don't. You're talking out your ar$$e Steve.
Posted by hhyftrftdr

One of my favourite posts of yours loll

somer

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In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take. : One of my favourite posts of yours loll
Posted by Matt237

Easily pleased.

Matt237

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In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take. : Easily pleased.
Posted by somer

Nothing wrong with that

F1N63RS

Quite possibly the worst call and beat i've ever had.... admitedly he had 3 outs , and this was on the cash bubble... 

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancealan1710Small blind 150.00150.009947.50F1N63RSBig blind 300.00450.004975.00 Your hole cardsA8   mickoRaise 600.001050.006610.83FLASHJONNYFold    milburn12Call 600.001650.0026220.00alan1710Call 450.002100.009497.50F1N63RSCall 300.002400.004675.00Flop  783   alan1710Bet 1200.003600.008297.50F1N63RSAll-in 4675.008275.000.00mickoFold    milburn12Fold    alan1710Call 3475.0011750.004822.50alan1710ShowJ4   F1N63RSShowA8   Turn  10   River  J   alan1710WinPair of Jacks11750.00 16572.50

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hhyftrftdr

Well no, he actually has plenty more than 3 outs come the river. If that's your ''worst beat'' then you can't have played much online poker! Dubious call granted, but we don't give a toss when the river bricks off and we scoop the pot.

Oh, and hi Somer missed you petal.

Si_Pies

Interesting you should write this blog as it has been the same for me for many months. I win then i get a run of bad beats that are impossible in both number and likelihood in any confirguration of pure randomness.

SO....i stumbled accross a group of statisticians at a university and IT specialists that are currently investigating the claims of certain on line poker sites as to their validity of claims to be totally random and fair.

It seems the so called random genarator for SKY is anything but, there is a very real pattern and logarythm thathas a direct link to monies deposited to monies won and bad beats delivered.

Also, there is a more than average suspicion of the software that selectively produces the RIVER CARD with a pause and deliberation that inevitably delivers the 1 in a million out to win the hand. Not only does it do this once it repeats this process in succession over a period of time until you have lost and re-deposited at least 40% again of what you originally won.

Interestingly enough, the Aldernay Gaming license that SKY holds is several years old and their IT systems have not been interrogated for some time.

Now the press and certain groups are becoming more interested in the data produced and its a case of watch the press etc.

In the meantime i will continue to play and keep losing etc in order to maintain a live source of data at the time that the story goes to official press.

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It is like a constant attack of bad players, bingo player and fishermen. Ok we all take a risk now and then , However this is day in day out. Won 200 pounds , within a week gone and 100 more. Bad beat bad beat bad beat. Just needs to be a little bit of fairness about it. Personally i love sky poker , love the set up and the layout and the ease of play, Really like the bounty hunter games.  I have stayed loyal, i know i am not the best player in the world, but i am good enough to hold my own with post players. All i ask is STOP REWARDING BAD PLAY AND BAD PLAYERS EVERY BLOODY TIME. You will lose lots of good spending customers .........................................FFS !!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by 69steve

cenachav

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Interesting you should write this blog as it has been the same for me for many months. I win then i get a run of bad beats that are impossible in both number and likelihood in any confirguration of pure randomness. SO....i stumbled accross a group of statisticians at a university and IT specialists that are currently investigating the claims of certain on line poker sites as to their validity of claims to be totally random and fair. It seems the so called random genarator for SKY is anything but, there is a very real pattern and logarythm thathas a direct link to monies deposited to monies won and bad beats delivered. Also, there is a more than average suspicion of the software that selectively produces the RIVER CARD with a pause and deliberation that inevitably delivers the 1 in a million out to win the hand. Not only does it do this once it repeats this process in succession over a period of time until you have lost and re-deposited at least 40% again of what you originally won. Interestingly enough, the Aldernay Gaming license that SKY holds is several years old and their IT systems have not been interrogated for some time. Now the press and certain groups are becoming more interested in the data produced and its a case of watch the press etc. In the meantime i will continue to play and keep losing etc in order to maintain a live source of data at the time that the story goes to official press. In Response to How many bad beats to bad players can you take. :
Posted by Si_Pies

Welcome back Kadz.  Still spouting more bull then a Texas rodeo I see.  If you believe the sky RNG is not random then sue for fraud otherwise, to quote Chris Jerico, would you please shut the hell up

iatehorse

I suggest that what ever sw you use to monitor the algorithm is knackered so to speak si ..as I can see a flaw without looking at your data,

1million to one outer just seems slightly wrong to me somehow,

may I suggest that instead of loosing all your gold at the tables you use some of your money improving whatever sw you are using and show the evidence to Santa or the Easter bunny,

Gl in your quest

Iah

hhyftrftdr

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Interesting you should write this blog as it has been the same for me for many months. I win then i get a run of bad beats that are impossible in both number and likelihood in any confirguration of pure randomness. SO....i stumbled accross a group of statisticians at a university and IT specialists that are currently investigating the claims of certain on line poker sites as to their validity of claims to be totally random and fair. It seems the so called random genarator for SKY is anything but, there is a very real pattern and logarythm thathas a direct link to monies deposited to monies won and bad beats delivered. Also, there is a more than average suspicion of the software that selectively produces the RIVER CARD with a pause and deliberation that inevitably delivers the 1 in a million out to win the hand. Not only does it do this once it repeats this process in succession over a period of time until you have lost and re-deposited at least 40% again of what you originally won. Interestingly enough, the Aldernay Gaming license that SKY holds is several years old and their IT systems have not been interrogated for some time. Now the press and certain groups are becoming more interested in the data produced and its a case of watch the press etc. In the meantime i will continue to play and keep losing etc in order to maintain a live source of data at the time that the story goes to official press. In Response to How many bad beats to bad players can you take. :
Posted by Si_Pies

You're playing with too many decks of cards buddy. One deck will suffice.

K8LOU

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Steve, I've just had a thought. Why not watch the Ch 861 Show tonight? (repeated tomorrow). The Guest is Matt Bates. He gets the same cards as you & me, but he plays them better than we do. This is his record on 2014. 5 main event wins (the most on the site this year) 13 main event final tables this year. 4 mini wins, 9 final tables Won The Super Roller on 7 th Sep for £4,741 Won £500 on the Jackpot 5 th & 1 st in the main and mini events on 16 th Jan Just watch him for an hour, on the Show tonight, & you'll end up a better player.
Posted by Tikay10

Tikay I dont think using the biggest luckbox in the history of online poker is appropriate here! he can only teach you how to bink a 1 outer surely?? although he may have some run good juice he will sell to you @ a knockdown price???

somer

The site operates a system which it claims is fair, random and unpredictable

It would appear that this claim is based solely on an audit performed in 2009.

Frankly, I would have thought it unlikely that the auditors of 2009 would be prepared to state 5 years on that the results are still valid - unless of course they offer a lifetime guarantee on a system they have no control over. 

The site is licensed and regulated by AGCC so that should inspire some confidence. 

However, it seems that there is no requirement made by the commission for the site to audit its RNG regularly - its all a little disingenuous.

cenachav

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The site operates a system which it claims is fair, random and unpredictable It would appear that this claim is based solely on an audit performed in 2009. Frankly, I would have thought it unlikely that the auditors of 2009 would be prepared to state 5 years on that the results are still valid - unless of course they offer a lifetime guarantee on a system they have no control over.  The site is licensed and regulated by AGCC so that should inspire some confidence.  However, it seems that there is no requirement made by the commission for the site to audit its RNG regularly - its all a little disingenuous.
Posted by somer

If you think the RNG is dodgy then sue.  Otherwise I refer you to my previous post in this thread

unknown_username

Just remember, "bad" is the new good. "Bad" players are really good ones, very good ones in fact that are very good at making opponents think they're bad - or very bad. It all goes with the premise of bluff and double bluff - bad players bluffing to make everyone think they're good, good ones trying to get everyone into the mindset that they're bad, bad ones that are bad, good ones that are not so good, good ones that are actually very bad, and bad ones that aren't only bad but bad and lucky. Then there are the good ones who are also lucky, and by being so look bad.

The list goes on. Just play . . . .

unknown_username

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. . .   The site is licensed and regulated by AGCC so that should inspire some confidence.
Posted by somer

It doesn't. Read the summary at the bottom of the page at the end of this link, which I think sums up the integrity of online casino licensing and what goes on (or doesn't) to ensure those who choose to partake receive a fair game.

http://www.hundredpercentgambling.com/newsArticle.php?id=61

This relates to a case that was discussed at length online at the end of last year, and relates to an instance where a well known household name, bookie's online casino, which is based and licensed in Gibralter, was found to be using gaffed software that didn't return the randomness of an equivalent live game. If you read through the reams of stuff that was published online relating to the incident, you might well end up feeling less than impressed with the behaviour and intervention (or lack of it) of the regulator. If so, you'd be in good company.

Personally, I don't think any of these licenses are worth the (electronic) paper they're written on.

somer

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In Response to Re: How many bad beats to bad players can you take. : It doesn't. Read the summary at the bottom of the page at the end of this link, which I think sums up the integrity of online casino licensing and what goes on (or doesn't) to ensure those who choose to partake receive a fair game. http://www.hundredpercentgambling.com/newsArticle.php?id=61 This relates to a case that was discussed at length online at the end of last year, and relates to an instance where a well known household name, bookie's online casino, which is based and licensed in Gibralter, was found to be using gaffed software that didn't return the randomness of an equivalent live game. If you read through the reams of stuff that was published online relating to the incident, you might well end up feeling less than impressed with the behaviour and intervention (or lack of it) of the regulator. If so, you'd be in good company. Personally, I don't think any of these licenses are worth the (electronic) paper they're written on.
Posted by Goethe

My comment regarding AGCC was tongue in cheek. 

I agree completely with your views on the so called licensing authorities.