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Some Advice would be appreciated
Would be grateful if someone could tell me why I got dogs abuse for this hand earlier this evening....
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| festa01 | Small blind | 50.00 | 50.00 | 3165.00 | |
| leegibbo | Big blind | 100.00 | 150.00 | 3840.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| barrie1979 | Call | 100.00 | 250.00 | 2720.00 | |
| (toiletmouth) | All-in | 1440.00 | 1690.00 | 0.00 | |
| emilyegg | Call | 1440.00 | 3130.00 | 5145.00 | |
| festa01 | Fold | ||||
| leegibbo | Fold | ||||
| barrie1979 | Call | 1340.00 | 4470.00 | 1380.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| barrie1979 | Check | ||||
| emilyegg | Check | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| barrie1979 | Check | ||||
| emilyegg | Check | ||||
| River | |||||
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| barrie1979 | Check | ||||
| emilyegg | Bet | 100.00 | 4570.00 | 5045.00 | |
| barrie1979 | Call | 100.00 | 4670.00 | 1280.00 | |
| (toiletmouth) | Show |
| |||
| emilyegg | Show |
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| barrie1979 | Muck |
| |||
| emilyegg | Win | Flush to the King | 4670.00 | 9715.00 | |
In this one table game I was leading and called the short stack when he went all in.
The player I knocked out of the game was not a tight player by any means and I dont think my call against the short stack was Fishy or Bingo`ish.
Abuse.....I can cope with it if it is warranted, but I would genuinely like to know if (without hindsight) I made the right call, or was I lucky?
Comments
To be honest you should not be calling all ins for more than 10 big blinds with K3. you may say you were ahead but you cannot and should not think that this is the case. It's a rubbish hand. I don't know what the A6 is doing calling either. I can only assume that this is some kind of 50p SNG where people are having a bit of fun.
Personally in this instance I wouldn't have called a 14x shove with that junk, but each to their own
Don't like the later call either (A6)
As far as I see it, you knew this guy was a loose player, you had position and was chip leader...if you wanted to take the gamble (which you did) you should not be berated for it...
This person sounds like they were having a bad night and were possibly on tilt...if you can, put it behind you but make sure you avoid the player in future, if it still upsets you report to customer services who will investigate on your behalf...
hope this helps, and good luck in your other games tonight x
Can I throw in another Question?.........
What would be the best way to play against a player who was betting/raising with hole cards not as good as the ones he had when he went out.
I appreciate that being patient is good advice, but when you do get premium hole cards.....will players shove anyway?
If you want advice, there are plenty of people on here that will offer you that advice.
Salazar
so advice... well why did you call that preflop? and why only bet 100 on the river with the 2nd nuts?
I am greatly encouraged by the helpful response I have had from everyone thus far (except Jeez man, who must be the youngest WSOP bracelet holder in Poker History) ;.)
you got the abuse for one reason.....you won the hand,if you had lost the player would of punched the air in delight..imo it was a loose call but then i wasnt on the table and had'nt seen previous actions....good luck, dave..
ps you dont/should'nt have to "cope" with abuse,if its bad report it
The "ps" is particularly important.
Thanks.
The problem with K3 (even if sooooooted) is that it doesn't play well against just about any hand that your opponent is likely to have and plays terribly against others. Calling with it is definitely bad and certainly for that amount of chips.
Here are the odds against some of the hands that your opponent might have had:
QsJc 58/42
KcQs 30/70
Ac4c 37/63
8c8s 33/67
The first figure is your percentage chance against an opponent with the stated hand (the second figure is your opponent's percentage). Your opponent had 14bb which isn't really short-stacked in most of the games played on this site. As you can see you were very lucky (or a VERY good judge of your opponent!) to be ahead.
There is a tool called PokerStove that you can download for free that allows you to judge the strength of your hand against a whole range of your opponent's hands. If you want to look more into the odds of certain hands, I thoroughly recommend this tool.
Having said that, the hands and odds are irrelevant in this case. Abuse is unacceptable and should not be tolerated.
Ironically ur the one on here asking questions and looking to improve so all credit to you... whoever was 'berating' you is probly never gonna get better so dont let that abuse get to u, just be happy and content that you have learnt from the hand and move on. GL
Are You a good player? I don`t honestly know m8.
Have I received good advice on this thread and taken it on board? Yes
If you actually take the time to read the posters who have offered advice to me you will see that it is done in a constructive, non-patronising way.
From yourself, I get a "lol......thats class".
I don't know if its the way you come across m8, (and like I said earlier I am fairly new to these threads) but I have noticed that 99% of your posts are very negative and almost condescending towards people and the way they play. (jeez)
Far better players than me have made points/views on threads, but sadly (imo) you still have a tendency to shoot people down and be a bit barbed in your replies.
To me it looks like you enjoy being a bit confrontational and while it is clear that you possess a sound knowledge of Poker, I am almost certain that If you were made from Chocolate you would eat yourself.
Anyway, Thanks for your input and Good Luck "Top Gun"
Ok now for some 'friendly' advice... the 10BB call with the K3s is poor because you are unlikely to be ahead of the player who has gone all in. Also by calling you get other players calling such as the A6... if you want to play this hand then consider reraising in order to isolate the original shover. On the river you min bet... you have the 2nd nuts and so want to extract maxium value and in order to do this you must bet more... an example:
say you bet 600 and 1 out of 5 times he calls... therefore you make 600 chips 1 in 5 times... now if you bet 100 and he calls every time then you only make 500 chips.
in the words of the great man himself...
hope this helps
Gutted that I missed the link between you being a Law Student and enjoying an argument though!
In all seriousness though your advice (and everyone else who has been kind enough to give input and pointers) has been greatly appreciated....Apologies again if it sounded like I was rude to you. Although I have barely played since I started this thread last night, I feel that I am now a wiser player thanks to Everybodys posts, and will look at certain situations in a different way from now on.
I can honestly say I have came to a few conclusions since I wandered onto these threads by accident just before xmas.
The threads are a good source of Joy/Pain/Laughter/Tears/Odd People/Good People/Conspiracy Theories, et cetera.
Without seeing many Players "in action" it is obvious that there are some very knowledgable and superb players out there, (yourself included) just by reading the posts on these threads.
I only play at small stake/bingo level where it seems at times that everyone would call a deaf dog. I can hang my head and say I have done this myself before, (see start of thread lol) but If I get enough time I might have a read at a few books/sites to try and become a better player and even enjoy Poker more than I do now.
Respect and Apologies again to you BlackFish. And Good Luck.