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Idiots = Bad
The latter (and I 100% include myself in that category sometimes) would still exist without the teams. Yes the teams create an environment and community in which it is easier for the idiots to be heard, but take away the teams and we'd still find somewhere else to express our idiocy.
Regarding restricting who can set up teams or how they can be set up, now that really does sound like a dictatorship. The current way is just fine, you don't have to be in a team, if you want to you can choose to be in any team you like (providing they are taking on new members), if non of the existing teams fit hey feel free to set one up yourself.
LOL!! You Bad!!
TKP, The First EVER Forum DTD Champions, Have to be respected!!
Defo XX
I Remember Now they formed from a Join up of Dave PillingsTeam Ploppers & Irenes Team 'Poker Knights' or summat I think, Eyeman will correct me..
The First Poker Teams Admittedly!!
How Did Titans start Trev, Dale??
Nope I was wrong...
First Month was only a ONE week Month, checkout this History...
PMSL!! I Made top Ten with 109 points, but it was agg of 3 results then, & for nealry first year!!
Kennybad joined THS later Gutted, we woulda won first title!!
Think Trev jumped in on that first nite with few TPT & Team DTD League was born!
COMP /
PLAYER
7.15
DP STK
7.45
DP STK
8.30 TOTY
TOTAL
ROSSJB14 (TKP)
4
8
10
22
YOUNG GUN (THS)
1
43
11
55
KENNYBAD
22
17
17
56
MADMOO (TPT)
16
15
37
68
GREGHOGG (TKP)
17
44
15
76
MP33
48
20
18
86
DTWBANDIT (TKP)
64
12
24
100
BARBIE59 (THS)
35
7
59
101
FREECHIPS1
78
3
23
104
HITMAN RV (THS)
42
9
58
109
Interestingly TKP were actually indirectly formed by Sky!
As Dave says Team Plop and Knights of the Oval table formed a rivalry in the Sky promotion of the team games
TKP then formed as these two merged after the event, the rivalry was always great banter
Sky originally formed these teams, I was in team Dohhhhhh, the eventual winners, teams of 8
If you were either of these two teams you became automatically member of TKP, others joined by association
I am not in any team but was in TKP, I see no harm, there are other teams outside of Sky poker and some of those have sponsorships by major online sites, other groups such as My Poker Pal, Grassroots Poker and The Pokeriety are all great group resources on social media.
Given anyone can start a team and anyone can leave a team this by default means that captains cant just do what they want long term as if they do then upset members can leave and start a new team or just not be in a team at all. You don't have to be in the same team as someone to be friends with them/talk strategy etc likewise you don't have to get on with everyone in your team. Some people aren't going to get on with others, that's life, get on with it and move on.
Here are my thoughts on the teams debate.
The problem arises here when Sky has allowed anyone to set up teams, styling themselves as "captains" etc without anyone checking to see how those teams are run, who can or can't join a team and who makes the decision as to who is "in" or "out" for whatever reason.
The criteria for TPT "Team Poker Titans" is ANYONE can join and anyone can leave, they are free to come and go as they please. We exist to have fun & support one another at the tables. I see us as more of a "Social Group" than a team. The only players that have ever been removed from the team list are those that have been seriously abusive in the chat box or on the forum, but thankfully there haven't been too many.
Now, if there wasn't any reward for teams, it wouldn't be relevant or any of Sky's concern about team politics and the in-fighting that can go on when any group of people get together with any sort of hierarchy system. However, Sky DOES offer team prizes, and so indirectly they encourage and condone the pettiness that can and does occur.
The DTD Prizes are awarded on individual performance & NOT on team performance. You don't need to be in a team to play the DTD or win prizes.
The team league however, which is run separately and was originally started by Hitman does now have team prizes and on this point I can agree with you.
At present a Free tournament seat etc is awarded to a team based on team performance and it is then up to Captains/Vice captains to allocate that seat to one of it's players. Unfortunately at the moment there is no fair way or system in place to award that seat to team members.
In the past myself or our vice captain have tried to distribute prizes based on a players performance, players who are actively involved in supporting other team members or just generally a player who may be going through a downswing etc, but this is far from ideal.
The problem with Sky nominating teams & players is, you will never have the same comradary. At present we are a group of friends/mates who enjoy our poker & enjoy the sociability aspect of being in a group. I have never seen the same level of support with the sky teams REDS, YELLOWS, BLUE etc and a lot of the time players are away. These types of teams will never flourish or have the same level of support, fun & banter as a group of friends.
Teams having equal numbers? - TPT have a team list of over 100 players, however we very rarely field 15-20 players each week. When we had a limit of 20 team members we struggled to field a competitive team each week as some of those members were not active each week.
You have mentioned the hierarchy within teams a few times, but in my opinion it works just like facebook - You set up a page or a group & then friends / colleagues request to join & you either accept them as friends or you don't. As the person that set up that page/group you are the self appointed "Admin" - People who don't like you won't request to join & people who are disruptive or abusive will be removed, so in my opinion it's really as simple as that really.
I don't see myself as the captain, but I am responsible to ensure our group / team thread complies with the rules of the forum & have always strived to ensure players respect others at the tables.
Teams or no teams, there will always be some unsavoury incidents, on the forum & in the chat boxes, but surely the the teams / social groups can only have a positive impact on reducing this sort of behaviour?
If friends / players want to be in our team, we always ask that they show others respect & act in a responsible manner and I think this can only have a positive impact for all involved and makes it a more enjoyable online experience.
TPT have always supported one another as a group and I can only hope we continue to do so, I see us as nothing more than online friends & some of us have even become close friends outside of online poker too, so it has had many positive impacts & very few minor ones.
All teams do things differently I suppose, but on the whole I think it has been a good thing.
Can we allocate prizes differently or better? YES perhaps it is something we can look at so that the allocation of prizes / seats is NOT in the control of captains / vice captains etc. I think that would be a good thing.
Most Minor Internal Disputes are kept off Forums!
Of The Very Very Few who in past have Brought Dispute to Teams & Tarred with a negative brush, most are No longer Sky Players.
You will get Negative Trolls in all Walks of Life, Nowadays, The Forums & FB give them a Massive Platform for their Agenda's
The Current Team Captains, DTD & FOSP Admins, seem to work well together Now,to Sort any Issues Quickly & keep the Harmony, ;]