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Sitting out

billywallybillywally
edited May 2016 in Poker Chat
Have u played in a torniment to find someone sitting out on your table???

do u find it fair for this player to then suddendly play hands when there in trouble to make the bubble?

is it fair when this player holds a big percentage of the chips and then sits out??

although there is no offical rule to this, it is not sporting behaviour.

whats your views on it and should there be a rule bought in before all torniments and sit and go's become automated.
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  • acebarry10acebarry10
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Sitting out:
    Have u played in a torniment to find someone sitting out on your table??? do u find it fair for this player to then suddendly play hands when there in trouble to make the bubble? is it fair when this player holds a big percentage of the chips and then sits out?? although there is no offical rule to this, it is not sporting behaviour. whats your views on it and should there be a rule bought in before all torniments and sit and go's become automated.
    Posted by billywally
    Hi billy

    This is a point that has been raised before :), the thing is, it is their money, they may play as they wish, players are allowed to be away from the table, even in live games, there may be a good reason they are away, connection problems for example, comfort break :)
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2010

    Nope its his perogative, if he has all the chips, sitting out is exactly the same as folding every single hand - which wudnt be classed as cheating wud it? - I dont understand why anyone would opt for this strategy, but you see some crazy things at a poker table, it wouldn't surprise me.

    DOHH

    Edit - me saying its not 'cheating' is abit strong, "its not, not fair" lol

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  • billywallybillywally
    edited January 2010
    its a safe bet if your holding the chips thats a fair point.  but to actually sit out rather than actually seeing and playing your cards.  its like bolton going 1-0 up to manchester utd then having all 11 players stand on the goal line lol. there might not be rule breaking going on but its not cricket and can only pee people off

    no offence to bolton btw just used as reference lol
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  • labrat64labrat64
    edited January 2010
    i tend to see this more in DYM as you only have to beat 3 to cash. In fact i'm in a game now where one guy has sat out till there are 4 of us left and now he's shoving every hand to get his stack back up. Yes it's annoying but he's paid his money so he can do what he likes with his chips.

    by the way, he's cashed now so i suppose it works
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited January 2010
    Of course it's not cheating, unfair, anti-social, corrupt, cheating, discriminatory, cruel to animals, cruel to children, nor is it against the laws of nature.

    You really should re-examine what game you think you are participating in. It's poker.
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  • hogan2089hogan2089
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    Of course it's not cheating, unfair, anti-social, corrupt, cheating, discriminatory, cruel to animals, cruel to children, nor is it against the laws of nature. You really should re-examine what game you think you are participating in. It's poker.
    Posted by elsadog
    dont quite get your point elsa...can you stop beating around the bush, and tell it how it is ....lol
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    In Response to Re: Sitting out : dont quite get your point elsa...can you stop beating around the bush, and tell it how it is ....lol
    Posted by hogan2089

    Sorry am I waffling again. I was just trying to be nice.

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  • dantb10dantb10
    edited January 2010
    I myself dont mind it when a player sits out!

    I find them easier to beat when they dont play!

    My advice would be to just steal their blinds and build your stack with no resistance.

    Like i say, id look at it from a positive!
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  • OMahonyOOMahonyO
    edited January 2010
    Sitting out is actually better than folding every hand in certain situations.  Say you have a big stack getting close to the bubble of a satellite. 
    All the other players know you are sitting out so when it is ur bb and a late pos raises, many think he is doing it cos u are sitting out and it will be an easy blind to pinch.  So the button knowing this may make a move which may well result in big pots being played and ppl busting out, putting you closer to the money or seat or w/e
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  • cottladcottlad
    edited January 2010
    I don't understand how anyone can see an opponent sitting out as being bad?  They cannot win a hand if they sit out and it's your job to relieve them of their blinds.
    There is some moral considerations to consider, especially if playing HU, where it may be unfair to steal blinds if opponent is sitting out due to discons etc but tbh..... unless they were a friend i would be scooping chips quick time as i would expect exactly the same in return should i be sat out for whatever reason.
    Opponents sitting out gives you an advantage.....take it!
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  • lJAMESllJAMESl
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    Nope its his perogative, if he has all the chips, sitting out is exactly the same as folding every single hand - which wudnt be classed as cheating wud it? - I dont understand why anyone would opt for this strategy, but you see some crazy things at a poker table, it wouldn't surprise me. DOHH Edit - me saying its not 'cheating' is abit strong, "its not, not fair" lol
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    DOHHH has got it spot on here.

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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s
    edited January 2010
    Some people are actually being sort of considerate here. They sit out to protect their stack which they would be doing if they were sat in anyway. They may have decided to fold to the money (this only happens a lot in DYMs near the end where they have the stack to survive, or if it's me then at the begining of tournaments).

    Rather than make you wait while they fold or forget to fold if they are doing something else, then they sit out to allow those remaining to play at their own pace

    I sometimes sign up to tournies and don't turn up for first 15 - 20 mins as i'm busy, But i don't think most people would consider that unfair
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited January 2010
    There is absolutely no disadvantage to anyone if a player sits out. So whats the problem? You just take their chips easy.
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  • hogan2089hogan2089
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    There is absolutely no disadvantage to anyone if a player sits out. So whats the problem? You just take their chips easy.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    not entirely true, if you are on a table in a mtt, with the majority being  "away" for a long time, then you are potentially missing out on profit that could have been made from playing good hands.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited January 2010
    and you could just as easily get sucked out etc... just take the free chips.
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  • hogan2089hogan2089
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    and you could just as easily get sucked out etc... just take the free chips.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    id rather have the opportunity to play, thats what pokers all about, suck outs or not
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    In Response to Re: Sitting out : not entirely true, if you are on a table in a mtt, with the majority being  "away" for a long time, then you are potentially missing out on profit that could have been made from playing good hands.
    Posted by hogan2089
    yes ur right hogan, some ppl cant see beyond the big head sometimes.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited January 2010
    isnt it about money?
    do you enjoy playing poker or do you enjoy winning money?
    I personally see poker as a fun way to make money... i enjoy winning money.
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  • hogan2089hogan2089
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    isnt it about money? do you enjoy playing poker or do you enjoy winning money? I personally see poker as a fun way to make money... i enjoy winning money.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    if you think that you can cash in a mtt, solely based on stealing away blinds, you are very wrong.
    it is a totally different beast to a 6 player sng.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited January 2010

    yes you can. If everyone is away except you then you steal all the chips and win. If there are 3 players on your table away, then you should be able to at least take one stack and therefore double up through stealing. how can you complain that they sit out??? I just dont get it. How do you play against really tight players? Think of players sitting out as super tight players lol.

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  • hogan2089hogan2089
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    yes you can. If everyone is away except you then you steal all the chips and win. If there are 3 players on your table away, then you should be able to at least take one stack and therefore double up through stealing. how can you complain that they sit out??? I just dont get it. How do you play against really tight players? Think of players sitting out as super tight players lol.


    Posted by BlackFish3
    what do i know about poker.....ive only been playing 8 years.....
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    In Response to Re: Sitting out : what do i know about poker.....ive only been playing 8 years.....
    Posted by hogan2089
    GREAT REPLY :)
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  • hogan2089hogan2089
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    In Response to Re: Sitting out : GREAT REPLY :)
    Posted by xFALLENx
    lol ty......dont you just love the arrogance of youth!
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  • philmenowphilmenow
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    In Response to Re: Sitting out : lol ty......dont you just love the arrogance of youth!
    Posted by hogan2089
    lol,certainly beats the arrogance of the experienced!!
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  • dantb10dantb10
    edited January 2010
    Hogan im affraid your completely wrong on this thread.

    Playing 8years or not, you should know that experienced mtt specialists only play small ball poker!

    Of course you can win a tournament by just stealing blinds!!

    The main thing is, you cant be knocked out a tournament through stealing blinds, and as long as you are in the tournament, you can win it!

    MTTs are all about preserving your life, not winning huge pots.

    Give me 5 away players any day of the week as opposed to 5 maniac loosey gooseys!

    I hope you take this post as just my opinion, and not personally.

    Each to their own in poker, thats why its so good.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited January 2010
    Winning an mtt is survival and steady progression. I don't think I've ever seen an early or mid-section CL win a tournament. The winner invariably come from the middle ground. So what Dan says is true. 6 seat stts are different and if I make a 4k stack I become cautious and try to preserve. Some sit out and that is their prerogative.

    At the end of the day it's each to their own. Their money their choice.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited January 2010
    someone could play an hour a year for 8 years and say they have been playing poker for 8 years... ive probably played more hands than you making me more experienced... anyway if you wont listen to me because im young listen to dan whos a little bit older and one of the 'big guns'.
    If you was that experienced you would know that away players is a good thing.
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  • cottladcottlad
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    Hogan im affraid your completely wrong on this thread. Playing 8years or not, you should know that experienced mtt specialists only play small ball poker! Of course you can win a tournament by just stealing blinds!! The main thing is, you cant be knocked out a tournament through stealing blinds, and as long as you are in the tournament, you can win it! MTTs are all about preserving your life, not winning huge pots. Give me 5 away players any day of the week as opposed to 5 maniac loosey gooseys! I hope you take this post as just my opinion, and not personally. Each to their own in poker, thats why its so good.
    Posted by dantb10
    This ^^^^^^
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  • hogan2089hogan2089
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    Hogan im affraid your completely wrong on this thread. Playing 8years or not, you should know that experienced mtt specialists only play small ball poker! Of course you can win a tournament by just stealing blinds!! The main thing is, you cant be knocked out a tournament through stealing blinds, and as long as you are in the tournament, you can win it! MTTs are all about preserving your life, not winning huge pots. Give me 5 away players any day of the week as opposed to 5 maniac loosey gooseys! I hope you take this post as just my opinion, and not personally. Each to their own in poker, thats why its so good.
    Posted by dantb10
    you wouldnt say that if you were playing a scary format!
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  • hogan2089hogan2089
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Sitting out:
    someone could play an hour a year for 8 years and say they have been playing poker for 8 years... ive probably played more hands than you making me more experienced... anyway if you wont listen to me because im young listen to dan whos a little bit older and one of the 'big guns'. If you was that experienced you would know that away players is a good thing.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    ive probably played all different formats, averaging out  over the last 8 years at something like at least 3 hrs a day.....you're a student , do the maths!
    and as far as anyone elses opinions on mtt play i would rather have the opportunity to play a pot any day of the week than i would exist on blind stealing till i get moved. but your opinions are your welcome additions to a post.
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