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As Matt replied, it was changed on this occasion for the Live Show, & I assume it will revert to normal timings on non-Show nights.
In my personal opinion, I think ALL changes should be communicated in advance, perhaps via a locked "Ch-Ch-Changes" type thread. (Players could start threads to discuss & give feedback). This was a bit of a late notice one-off, to be fair.
Apologies if it inconvenienced you.
Morning all
Just to add a little to what has already been said...
Firstly, this is a trial. It will 'live or die' based on how popular they are and on the balance of feedback. We know it’s close to impossible to satisfy 100% of players but we try to do the best for the majority. If this proves unpopular we'll revert or try something else until we hit the best solution for all.
Secondly, we are constantly trying to improve Sky Poker and, in order to improve, we need to make changes that cannot be helped. If we never made changes, we'd never progress. Also, we don't just make uniformed changes to things like this, they are done for a reason and more often than not, it is because of player demand. It's simply not in both our interests to do things that don't work.
This change is genuinely is no exception. You've probably seen many comments on the forum about starting stacks. But also, we've had numerous other requests to us saying that, rightly or wrongly, paying £33 (or whatever) and only getting 2,000 chips is 'not good value'. This is, in part, a trial on a few games to tackle that perception.
Finally, as many of you have rightly pointed out, there is a balance to be made. So what are the things we are trying to balance? The main things are:
1) Value for money
2) A fun but playable structure
3) A reasonable finish time (ideally not long after midnight)
On the final point - as many of you will know, there is no fixed time that a particular tournament ends and there are many factors that can affect it, some which we control, others which are affected by player numbers and how the tournament pans out. We have obviously a lot of experience in this area and Peter has put that into action. However, nothing beats running these a few times to see how it pans out.
Thank you to all who have taken the time to feedback, we'll both see how it goes.
Have a good day.
Thanks
Sky Poker
Thanks for the reply Tony - glad it was only temp.
Finish times
If I run deep in the main I don't mind a bit of a late finish - the reward of a ft makes it worthwhile but I think a ft by 1am shd be the aim. I am a recreational player and get up between 6 and 7 most days.
H4H
While there are changes in the air can mention the one thing that regularly bugs me and that is H4H for a min cash in most of the tournements on Sky is fairly pointless as numerous people still slow play seemingly unaware of the H4H. This slows the whole tournament down. The ft h4h is also pretty pointless imo as the difference between 6th and 7th is minimal, the tables are unbalanced anyway with 3 v 4 but more bearable because the two short stacked tables petty much get a move. The H4H system is vital in satellites and shd be retained for the higher buy-ins (£66 or £110?) but in tournaments like the mini they are just an irritation.
why do i get a high pitched voice in my head imploring me with these words?
Generally, good MTT-ers don't worry too much about H4H, they are not interested in laddering, they play to win. And yes, people either don't understand H4H, or deliberately try to wind the clock down. Poker players always try to find that little edge.
Personally, I never thought lack of H4H was a big problem. If on a 6 Max site we get 7 handed 1,000 times, chances are it will be split close to 500-500, so it makes no odds in the long term. The grumbling usually arose when someone on the 3 hander bust in 7th.
It's a bit like the Antes thing - Sky Poker should have them, yes, but it's not really that big a deal, (it's the same for everyone, thats the main thing), but people latch on to what the big players say, & echo it. In reality, of course, Antes mean the better players win more, quicker, & the less good players lose more, because Antes benefit better players most. There should be Antes in appropriate MTT's, yes, but it's not the big deal some suggest, imo.
VBOL in UKOPS, Paul, hope you run good.
Now the dust has settled a little bit, I just want to add my two cents worth.
During the 861 discussions, I repeatedly said that it's new broom time at Sky Poker, & they have been given the green light to invest more resource to make this site better. A better site is good for both sides of the table.
So they will be trying to do a lot of different things, fiffing, faffing, tweaking, changing.
They will NOT get them all right first time - 7 out of 10 would be a good ratio, so 3 out of 10 might go wrong.
But they WANT the constructive feedback that players can give. In answer to little Matt Bates, Sky Peter said this....
"....We expect that these changes will have little effect on play time these although could increase it by up to 30 minutes. We will be keeping a close eye on it this Thursday for the following weeks and will amend it if neccessary....."
Note "and will amend if necessary".
And they WILL amend if necessary.
They are trying things, that's good. If they get it wrong, they will change it. Good constructive feedback is exactly what they need & want, so keep it coming please. So if these chip changes to the BH's don't work, they will modify as necessary, until they get the right balance. They will.
It very much reminds me of when Amaya took over Pokerstars, the whole poker world was up in arms. And yet Amaya have just reported an influx of new players, & better numbers. Change does not have to be bad, & we need to embrace it, not fear it.
There is much room for improvement at Sky Poker, we all know that. Time to get things moving. Lots of other ideas are in gestation, & will be rolled out over time. The constructive feedback from players is a vital element of that process. They will maybe get a few things wrong, but at least they are trying, & can change back if need be. I think thats a good thing.
+1
Does anybody know what time the 8pm main event finished last night?
I think the changes to the main would allow more play, my posts were on behalf of the silent recs. I am more than happy for more play and deeper structured MTTs on a purely selfish level. My concerns were that it would be bad for rec players who had work in the morning (where their family business wouldn't allow them to power nap during the day!)