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IF...................
IF
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
Comments
I Have Joined in The Community & tried to help it thrive since 2009
I Helped Run the Forum DTD League with Founders Michael & Chris over 3 years
I defended TK & fourmites when attacked by Nasty trolls now Sky Banned.
I started FOSP to support this, now run by a Team of Sky Loyal admins
I Started the Forum DTD Team League nealry 5 Years ago, now run bt Jono
I Helped Initially organise the EXCELLENT forum DTD 'Live', VWP Duncan Michael Chris
I have met with many of You, Drunk, Laffed & played Poker.
.........so You can see i have committed alot to help OUR Community Succeed
Unfortunately, Petty Rivalry, maybe clash of personality, seems to have caused a few to seek to Blacken my Name.
Last nights accusations of Cheating & colluding on DTD Nite were Untrue & very Hurtful!
The Folks who Know Me, Know that i would never allow this to happen in My Team HitSquad or in my Play.
I am a Sportsmen, why I probably ending up Captaining the AFA & getting 2nd most Amatuer Caps for a representitive side in England in My footballing Days.
I was drawn into a situation 6 weeks ago, not of my initiation, where pms, initially innocent, went to an uncomfortable area, with a newish Squaddie at time. Seems now a deliberate Trap.
I realised this was wrong, and tried to explain, but what started as innocent help was already kinda too late, but reported it anyway, so it hopefully dont happen in front of me again!
I blame no other Team, or Group, and say sorry, as this kind of Area should not be gone near, esp on Monday DTD nites.
I have clear Conscience with regard to Sky rules tho & Hope all can Move on!!
I hope I still have your Trust & wish The Integrity & Honour built here with Sky remains intact.
People have clashed, doing ALL of US & Community No Good at all
Shi,t Happens!!
.............its how we deal with that maketh Man.
GL ALL!!
[Hate looking a Drama Fookin Queen sry, that aint Me!! Just want to defend myself]
I HAVE 110% FAITH IN MY CAPO THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY INCLINATION OF ANY SORT OF BEHIND THE SCENES COLLUDING OR CHAT , WE ARE A HONEST TEAM WHO PLAY TO WIN AND WE PLAY FAIR ALWAYS NO MATTER WHO WERE UP AGAINST . i believe david to be a man of his word an integrity means a lot to him anyone who knows him personally will testify to that he's not the type to use cheap tactics to gain a hollow win . we set high standards in THS an will continue to do so .
wihy not run for FIFA president, dave?
you'd get many votes.
Sure it's all baseless! Carry on Capo-ing!
From time to time, new members suggest things that he considers outside of the correct behaviour and he always puts them straight, saying that if they want to play outside of total fair play then they shouldn't be part of this team.
We were still considering how to deal with this when the player left and joined another team so we didn't need to act over his "ideas." Sadly, it appears that this person has now tried to tarnish the name of one of the bastions of SKY Poker. If there were a genuine Hall of Fame for unselfish work on behalf of SKY Poker then Hitman RV would be one of the first names in there. Shame on this person for his shabby accusations and greater shame on anyone that believes him or backs him. Hopefully, he will disappear as quickly as he appeared.
I also have a great admiration for those who organise and run the teams that participate.
I have known Dave for a lot of years, shared some poker tables and sat at a few bars with him, and I always take people as I find them, and I personally find Dave to be one of stalwarts of Sky Poker, and consider him as one of my Poker friends.
I have been a member of TPT since it more or less started, and the DTD has always been a fun event, as it was last night, with team members from all the teams involved in "friendly banter" in the chatbox, etc. The live event in Newcastle was even better, with players from all teams socialising together.
I am not a member of hitsquad, so I cannot comment on how Dave runs his team, and as an old fuddy duddy who is never on facebook, I cannot comment about anything that is going on there. I do think though, that whatever grievances are held, by parties on either side of the argument, the forum DTD is not the place to air them. Further to that, I saw a post that was hinting at this argument would be settled at a forum DTD live event. That will just not be allowed to happen.
I have many friends, I hope, in all of the different teams on here, and would not want the atmosphere we had in Newcastle soured by these disputes.
I look forward to meeting everyone at the next event. I am buying a pint for any drama queens that turn up, in order to promote harmony (not the hairspray).
Craig
I find the accusations of foul play sad and indicative of the universal deficiency of integrity, but I know it's nothing the man can't take in his stride.
#InHitmanWeTrust
For this, hats off to you sir!
For this, hats off to you sir!
Isn’t this interesting! I have often said that poker is a reflection of life and different people show their respective characters even in a poker game/environment. The character of Dave Harvey I consider to be both strong and true. He seeks to do no one harm, leads from the front and I have seen the evidence of how he will help whenever he can, not just with poker.
I don’t get too involved in posting on FB or on the forum, mainly because I am not a computer whizz. I like the camaraderie of my team and also of the DTD in general. I enjoy the banter with players in all the teams and I enjoy healthy competition. I have enjoyed meeting many at live events.
Recent events are not healthy, they are personalised and if left untreated will poison what a lot of people, including Dave, Michael and others have worked hard to develop leading to the success DTD is now.
Unfortunately, one or two unhappy, toxic people seem to get pleasure from creating a negative atmosphere. I would be surprised if they succeed but I guess they need their bullshi.t fix in order to stay full of it.
I fully support Dave Harvey, he lacks bullshi.t.
it took some time to work you out, geldy.
sometimes you write good things,
sometimes not.
i know now that you are a part-time troll.
i am pleased to say that the rest of the time
you are not.
...or just asleep.
Be wary of judging someone regardless of the good they have done in the past as people are A: Not always what/who they seem and B: Can change. With my own eyes I have seen evidence of colluding and this comes in the form of damming screenshots taken during the DTD tournament. I read also that these have been sent to Sky and reported however should it be allowed I am happy to post them here but I am sure that Sky would prefer to deal with this in house.
What is posted there and clearly documented breaches the following rules:
15.3 Collusion between you and any of our other customers, as determined at our sole discretion, by sharing “hole” cards or by any other methods is strictly forbidden. To detect collusion, we use sophisticated software to analyse hands, game play history and suspicious activities. Our system monitors card history, betting patterns, player history and gameplay, including all bets, for all customers, up to and including the last round of betting where applicable. We also look at various other sources of information as part of our anti-collusion checks. We reserve the right, in addition to other measures, to restrict seating and/or to prohibit customers from playing at a particular poker table or in a tournament, including restricting two or more customers from playing together at the same table or in the same tournament and you agree to cooperate fully with us in respect of such measures and to investigate any such activity.
The use of 3rd party software (Messaging Services) were used to assist a member to collude with another in order to gain an unfair advantage over other members. As the posts are time stamped and the members identitys are known it is now very east for Sky Poker to use their "sophisticated software to analyse hands, game play history and suspicious activities" to confirm the hands discussed and to confirm that the relevant members acted accordingly and colluded.
Having seen the evidence that is available and now out in the public domain I assume that Sky will take this very seriously and act accordingly.
I am sure that everyone will agree that at no point should a members previous good character, positive actions and friendships within a company give him an advantage over the rules AND their disciplinary process. People make mistakes and this seems that it may be a case that someone may have been stupidly and naively suckered into giving and receiving hand info but they still colluded, they will forever been known within poker as a colluder and the evidence of that collusion will be there forever. They can make excuses now and say that they told people after the fact but during the conversations and more importantly during the game, that person gave away hands, accepted hand information and crucially they acted upon it and commented that they done so...... They colluded.
Online Poker is struggling already with allegations so when one comes to light with evidence like this has we are left in the hands of the authorities (or Sky in this case) to do what is right not only for its members but also for the reputation of poker as a whole.