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Dissapointed with last nights show.
Last night was the first night I've seen the show on Sky Sports and have to say I was disappointed. The guests and Tikay were entertaining but, I expected hand analysis/coverage of the Turbo Open. What can we expect from the next few shows if/when the 100 challenge is finished?
Is it just me or do others want to see tournament coverage on the show?
Is it just me or do others want to see tournament coverage on the show?
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We had a long chat about that in the TV Office yesterday. We meet (the TV Team) before & after every Show to see what we could or should do better, add, or drop. The new format is still in it's infancy, & we are trying different things.
Whilst it's not my decision, & they have not 100% made a decision yet, it's more than likely that they will drop coverage of the late stages of Turbos on the Show for a while. Why? In truth, in a Turbo, you can't really do much by way of in depth analysis, because, by it's very nature, it is formulaic, like SNG's, in that almost every play is standard, & there's almost no play down the streets. It's shove or fold stuff.
We recognize, of course, that players like to see themselves on TV, but in truth, it does nothing, either way, for the numbers, & as a spectacle to view, it is not really great TV.
The Cash challenge, as it happens, seems to be very well received, on the whole, so far.
The feedback is appreciated, & the tweaks will continue, thank you.
PS - Did you actually play that Turbo event?
PPS - howay the lads
Your feedback is much appreciated, really, & we shall see how the Show develops. We know players like to watch themselves on TV, but it's really not got much upside for the Business, in truth, it does not drive traffic to any significant degree. A £11 MTT with 500 runners generates £500 of margin. Now try to guess how much it costs to put a Show on air......
What will follow the £100 Challenge? Not sure yet, but we have a ton of ideas. Whether they are any good is another matter.....
You enjoyed me being all aggro? Ha! I was dreading doing that £100 Challenge. I've not played NLH Cash for 12 years or more, except on very rare occasion (last time was in Newcastle, when I somehow done a bag to Paul Jackson NTTP, sigh), it's not my thing, & the game has long left me behind. Never looked forward less to doing a Show, & I was extremely uncomfy, mentally all night, but, with the help of some nice cards, I managed to turn a profit, albeit small. (Sample size, variance etc). I hope they don't ask me to do it again, but if they do, I will.
Anyway, glad to see you are doing so well here, long may it last.
Has NPF closed down for good now? Shame, in a way, but independent poker forums are up against it these days, most of them are struggling. Times change, habits change.
Oh, I forgot to add - I completely agree as to Jamie Sykes - I thought he was just tremendous.
He was top rate, & very supportive & helpful of me once he realised my discomfort.
I used to watch all 15 hours of the old format, most of it live while I was playing and the rest later.
Has to be good, imo.
The players know, too, that they can apply pressure, as we only get one bullet.
Loved playing against you, we kept tangling, not intentionally, but just how the cards fell. How you made that fold with three nines I'll never know - well done.
You typed "just made the worst fold ever", & I wanted to reply "No you did not, unless you had quads" as I had the nuts, but unforch, I did not seem able to type stuff into the chat box on the Studio I-pad, or type in bet sizes, so I had to use the pre-set buttons all the time.
Great fun - after it had finished. Not so much before, or during, I was consumed with nerves, & fear of failure.
my feedback is there should be different opposition on the two tables.
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I used to record all the Mastercash that was on TV because thats what I want to watch is cash.
The 100 challenge for what its worth I think is brilliant, it also inspires people to sit there and think I could spin a 100 up.. and its quite exciting to wonder if someone is going to run hot one show and get to like 900 squid lol!! Maybe when Rich has a go.
So i short lol, please dont bring tournament play back stick with the cash!!
Is it the pylon structure you are interested in or the electricity distribution?? I find the latter far more interesting!
This thread definitely proves that it isn't easy to please everyone all the time.
Some people clearly like tournaments being shown and analysed, other people like cash. Some want lots of detailed hand analysis, others like the challenge side of it and want it to be more fun and lighter.
I think the first thing to remember is the constraints that come with a two-hour show on Sky Sports 4. I don't personally think you can show a tournament that starts before 10pm on a show that airs at 10pm and I definitely don't think you can show a tournament that ends after midnight. The show runs 10pm until midnight. put yourself in the shoes of a casual viewer watching coverage of the 8pm event. It has been running two hours when you switch on so you are watching a "movie" from half way in. You manage to pick up the plot and start following the characters and then it all stops at midnight forty minutes before the bad guy got shot and the girl fell into the heroes arms. It just seems like a no-brainer that you can't expect viewers to go for that. To be honest I never understood why the structure wasn't changed to make sure the turbo was always done by midnight when we covered it on 861.
I think cash works much better in this spot. A lot of the coverage of turbo tournaments is pretty repetitive. The answer is almost always "go all-in" after the first half and hour or so. I think that could get pretty dull pretty quickly.
The fact that Sky Poker gets two hours of primetime TV to "sell their wares", (even though there are strict regulations on how that can be done and no direct mentions of "go to Sky Poker" or "check out the site and sign up now" can be made), is a great thing for the site and for all that play regularly on it. The show sometimes gets as many as 50 times as many viewers as 861 did and those people coming through and trying poker on the site must be good for everyone who enjoys playing at Sky Poker.
I just think it's important to remember that those people need to be engaged and the way to do that is probably different than it was with a three and five times a week five hour show.
thanks for the insight neil.
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With regards to content obv you must make it viewer friendly while also giving people what they want. Judging that is the tricky bit as with poker itself your viewers will be split into different styles.
How about edited highlights of the best bits from through out the week? You already do it with cash in top of the pots, would it be possible to do the same with tourneys, say biggest gtd bounty hunter, freeze out (roller) and speed event, that being edited highlights of the previous week. It would also give you time to pick out some interesting hands for the analysts to do there bit.
Good luck in going forward however you decide to evolve the format anyhow.
Regards James
Hi Neil - Interesting stuff. So your task I guess is to get as many of the viewers to start playing on Skypoker as possible, however the bit highlighted in bold makes this a bit trickier! I think I saw mentioned before that you were getting up to 50,000 viewers on SS5, although MTT's are probably not as interesting to watch as Cash (especially in a Turbo where it is pretty much shove / fold towards the end) the fact that the winner of a MTT gets multiple times their buy-in I think makes that part more attractive to the new starter. So just needs a plan to get as many of the 50,000 viewers into the 10pm Turbo MTT on a Tuesday without actually mentioning Skypoker.
Cheers
Greg.
Have a look at Countdown, Question Time, Newsnight and any number of other long-running shows. They may tweek the format from time to time, but basically they have a format and they stick to it.
While I think it would be nice to have a chance to talk more about what has been happening on the site this week, in lots of ways, I do think that that is tricky. Partly there is a problem of what you can and cannot say but partly there is a big problem of excluding the new casual viewer who just wants to watch some poker and is not really tuning in to watch an information about what is happening on Sky Poker programme. It can sound a bit parochial if the whole thing becomes about the "parish newsletter" for Sky Poker. I understand that it would be great if 50,000 people could be directly sold to in that way but I think that might not get 50,000 to watch and to stick with it.
I think generally Sky Sports attracts 25-40 year old males who like sports and those should be the ones that the programmes are made for. If they enjoy the programme and think they might go on to try playing some poker, or go back to playing some poker, then hopefully they'll choose to play their poker on Sky Poker.
I think persuading the 50,000 that the kind of programme they want to watch is one that we would prefer them to watch may not help things and they could just switch off which won't really please Sky Sports or be any good for anyone.