DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!....

DOHHHHHHH

Right then, the form of poker I play least! I have abit of time to practise and build up some experience in this type of game. Just played a wee DYM, just a 5r, n came third. I very nearly blew it though, I read so many posts on here regarding DYM's, I wondered if the guys who play em constantly can helkp me with a few scenarios I encountered, and also, just offer genral advice.

The first one....we're on the bubble, the highest stack is myself with 3,600, the lowst is just below 3k, so theres absolutely nothing in it.


Situation 1

Blinds 100/200, I have ace 6 in the small blind. I raise 3xBB and the flop comes 6, 5, 5 2 diamonds. I bet 800, and the fella goes all in. If I put him on the fd and 2 overs, do I pass here? as after all the prize for 3rd is the same as 1st? - Had him on a QK diamonds sort of hand. Anyway I passed, as i still had over 2k left.

Situation 2

Still the bubble, blinds 150,300, shortstack has 365, and shoves the button obv. The small blind FOLDS! SUUUREEEEELLLLYYYYY he calls with any 2 here? - I know the answer here just want it confirming. Anyway the shortie doubled.

Situation 3

My nxt BB, the shortie has 685. - Blinds 150 / 300 - He shoves again, The sb folds, AGAIN, grr, I have 6-2 and a stack of 1,800ish, with 300 invested. Do I call here??? I did, and won.....


The more I play the more I'll get used to these sort of situations, as I get used to 3rd being worth the same as 1st. Any help much appreciated, Ive made no secret of hating this format, but the conventinal sng format of top 2 getting paid has an inbalanced pay out, 3rd in a dym is worth more than 2nd in a normal SNG.

Thanx for any help, DOHH

phil12uk

In Response to DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!....:

Right then, the form of poker I play least! I have abit of time to practise and build up some experience in this type of game. Just played a wee DYM, just a 5r, n came third. I very nearly blew it though, I read so many posts on here regarding DYM's, I wondered if the guys who play em constantly can helkp me with a few scenarios I encountered, and also, just offer genral advice. The first one....we're on the bubble, the highest stack is myself with 3,600, the lowst is just below 3k, so theres absolutely nothing in it. Situation 1 Blinds 100/200, I have ace 6 in the small blind. I raise 3xBB and the flop comes 6, 5, 5 2 diamonds. I bet 800, and the fella goes all in. If I put him on the fd and 2 overs, do I pass here? as after all the prize for 3rd is the same as 1st? - Had him on a QK diamonds sort of hand. Anyway I passed, as i still had over 2k left. Situation 2 Still the bubble, blinds 150,300, shortstack has 365, and shoves the button obv. The small blind FOLDS! SUUUREEEEELLLLYYYYY he calls with any 2 here? - I know the answer here just want it confirming. Anyway the shortie doubled. Situation 3 My nxt BB, the shortie has 685. - Blinds 150 / 300 - He shoves again, The sb folds, AGAIN, grr, I have 6-2 and a stack of 1,800ish, with 300 invested. Do I call here??? I did, and won..... The more I play the more I'll get used to these sort of situations, as I get used to 3rd being worth the same as 1st. Any help much appreciated, Ive made no secret of hating this format, but the conventinal sng format of top 2 getting paid has an inbalanced pay out, 3rd in a dym is worth more than 2nd in a normal SNG. Thanx for any help, DOHH
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

I have all the answers u need m8...........but ur my official competition so im staying quiet lol

Only joking - I'll have a proper read and give u my thoughts

Congrats again and lets have a good, fun battle - Phil

phil12uk

You've honestly done nothing wrong on any of the 3 plays. I have played a lot of sngs and would have done the same as u in all 3 cases.


This isnt a bad beat post below - but could / would u have called in ??? position Dohhhhhhhh.......I scratched my head about it!

VILLAINS	Small blind		150.00	150.00	2290.00
phil12uk	Big blind		300.00	450.00	1092.50
	Your hole cards	Q K
???	Call		300.00	750.00	5495.00
drawbag	Fold
VILLAINS	Fold
phil12uk	All-in		1092.50	1842.50	0.00
???	Call		1092.50	2935.00	4402.50
phil12uk	Show	Q K
???	Show	2 8
Flop
		A 2 6
Turn
		9
River
		5
???	Win	Pair of 2s	2935.00		7337.50

DOHHHHHHH

Yeh Im all in there, hes limp called an all in with 8 high?  -  U play pretty high level SNG's dnt u??? lol

The main one I was in 2 minds about was the ace 6, flopping tp tk. If its a normal MTT, I have absolutely no regard for any type of bubble (might be different if/when I play bigger buy ins, like, alot bigger buy ins. So situations like this are new to me.

I'll probli see you at the £22 + sngs over the next week or so as I get used to it, thanx for the reply.

DOHH

silentbob

In Response to DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!....:

Right then, the form of poker I play least! I have abit of time to practise and build up some experience in this type of game. Just played a wee DYM, just a 5r, n came third. I very nearly blew it though, I read so many posts on here regarding DYM's, I wondered if the guys who play em constantly can helkp me with a few scenarios I encountered, and also, just offer genral advice. The first one....we're on the bubble, the highest stack is myself with 3,600, the lowst is just below 3k, so theres absolutely nothing in it. Situation 1 Blinds 100/200, I have ace 6 in the small blind. I raise 3xBB and the flop comes 6, 5, 5 2 diamonds. I bet 800, and the fella goes all in. If I put him on the fd and 2 overs, do I pass here? as after all the prize for 3rd is the same as 1st? - Had him on a QK diamonds sort of hand. Anyway I passed, as i still had over 2k left. Situation 2 Still the bubble, blinds 150,300, shortstack has 365, and shoves the button obv. The small blind FOLDS! SUUUREEEEELLLLYYYYY he calls with any 2 here? - I know the answer here just want it confirming. Anyway the shortie doubled. Situation 3 My nxt BB, the shortie has 685. - Blinds 150 / 300 - He shoves again, The sb folds, AGAIN, grr, I have 6-2 and a stack of 1,800ish, with 300 invested. Do I call here??? I did, and won..... The more I play the more I'll get used to these sort of situations, as I get used to 3rd being worth the same as 1st. Any help much appreciated, Ive made no secret of hating this format, but the conventinal sng format of top 2 getting paid has an inbalanced pay out, 3rd in a dym is worth more than 2nd in a normal SNG. Thanx for any help, DOHH
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Hi DOHHHHHHH

I know you're an aggressive player by nature so the DYM probably go against your normal play a bit. As you've stated, 3rd is worth the same as 1st (unless you're really bothered about the league points) so in that respect you kinda have to leave your normal playing mentality behind to an extent.

FWIW, here's my views:

1 - I assume by your description it's folded round to you so I see no issue with the raise pre as you're probably ahead. However, once he shoves after you bet out on the flop I'm getting outta there PDQ. No need to stay and fight even if you are actually still ahead. As you say, you've still 2k behind so plenty to fight on with.

2 - YES, YES, YES, YES, YES. Imo, both the blinds should be calling here regardless of what they hold. The only time I might not call from the SB here is if I've maybe only got ~600/700 left myself cos if shorty busts here it's mission accomplished. I'm assuming from your description that the SB had a bigger stack than this so absolutely should've called.

3 - I think the call is right here. As long as you're live you're never gonna be that far behind & even if you lose the hand you've still got 1500 behind.

Jay

loonytoons

Why DYM's there are loads of £11+ 6 seater sng's, where they pay 1st(70%) and 2nd(30%) these are more aggressive to your style of play because your trying to win, not just survival by finishing in the top half, just a thought. ps i dont think its how much profit you show, its the way you play that is more important to the mentors, so in these formats you could show more poker moves so to speak 

Tikay10

Doh,

Firstly, I will reply to your PM tomorrow. I know you said you did not need a reply, but I'd like to. But I'm too tired to tackle it tonight.

OK, those DYM questions.

You don't need "how to play a poker hand" advice from me or anyone else I suspect. But tactics in a DYM are something else completely.

DYM's are COMPLETELY different to regular SNG's, or even Tournament poker.

6 start, & 3 get paid, & they all get paid the same. So it's like a Super-Sat. Do NOT try to win the thing.

You only need to focus or get involved when there are FOUR players left. To get involved earlier makes no sense, & in any event, it's probable that the early-paced LAG's will do your job for you & bust themselves or others.

So, 4 handed, NOW we play. Assuming level stacks (unlikely), just get your money in first (shove, the Blinds will be big) to pay the rent. Watch the others stack-sizes & the Button Position with great care, & see who is likely to shove next. Basically, just steal enough to keep out of trouble, & let the others do the work. Sometimes, you will need to make those Hero Calls when Mr Shortie shoves, but you need no advice from me on that stuff, you know the score.

Finally, remember that to be "reasonably" profitable in DYM's, you really need to cash in 7 out of every 10. 6 out of 10 only shows a 5% ROI (approx, & net of Reg Fees), so 7 out of 10 is your minimum Target if you go the DYM Route. 

Seagull158

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Doh, according to the rules you have to play S&Gs but it doesnt say they have to be DYMs. You can play DYM and go for top 3 every time or you can play other S&Gs and g FTW.

Spike2120

DYM's is the way I came into poker, here are some tips to playing them.

Tikay is right that you don't really play til you get to the last four with only having to come third to make maximum profit off a DYM then you can let the LAG players play their hands and play themselves out, if you don't play for a while or only pick up a few blinds thats fine, just think in STT's that there are not that many chips in play so all you need is 1 big pot and your back up with the leader.

When it gets to the bubble, most people play really tight this is where you can use, with care, your tight image you have shown throughout the rest of the tournament to steal blinds, which at this point are substancial to your stack, just be careful not to get trapped, but as long as you have your reads on players by this point you should be fine, plus I know this area is more your way of play.

Good Luck on them and Good Luck in TP mate

Spike2120

BlackFish3

Ok doh... some general dym tips:
1. you lose a lot of power in dym games because you have to beat a win rate of 55% to make a profit... so always keep this number in mind... for these reasons i think getting it all in preflop when you have more than 20BBish with AK or even AKs is not profitable. KK and AA obviously, QQ becomes tough and JJ is to me a fold.
2. as before ive said you lose a lot of power so i think dym becomes a much more passive game, reraising without JJ+ is problematic because if you do it with AK, get called, miss the flop and c bet... get called then you can easily lose a chunk of your stack and without the potential to reload this is deadly. the game is about chip preservation so that you have fold equity for the shove stage.
3. when you have less than 10BB always shove and dont raise or limp.
4. be careful shoving limpers because a lot of players have a tendency to limp call very light at the end stages of a dym.
5. i find limping in SB or checking in BB with big aces is fine in dym but obviously just throw them away more readily in a multi way pot.
6. chip stacks are key... if you raise someones BB who has about 10BB then you can expect them to shove a % of the time so tighten up your raising range... middle stacks though bully bully bully and passive big stacks but not calling station big stacks.
7. chip accumulation... ok some people say basically sit out the first couple blind levels but i think instead you should be slowly trying to accumulate chips using your post flop advantage so that you have the potential to survive a coin flip later on.
8. the power of the min raise... min raise acts as a pot builder but also establishes your control in the hand (a psychological raise)... ooo he raised he must have a hand sort of thinking... so min raising in position with suited cons can be very potent and a decent % of the time everyone plays so tight they just fold. this can also be done with a wide range in the SB as it allows you to C bet very cheaply and pick up lots of small pots allowing for successful chip accumulation.

hope these tips helps buddy... let me know if u need any explained or want to debate anything
much love x

IRISHROVER

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Ok doh... some general dym tips: 1. you lose a lot of power in dym games because you have to beat a win rate of 55% to make a profit... so always keep this number in mind... for these reasons i think getting it all in preflop when you have more than 20BBish with AK or even AKs is not profitable. KK and AA obviously, QQ becomes tough and JJ is to me a fold. 2. as before ive said you lose a lot of power so i think dym becomes a much more passive game, reraising without JJ+ is problematic because if you do it with AK, get called, miss the flop and c bet... get called then you can easily lose a chunk of your stack and without the potential to reload this is deadly. the game is about chip preservation so that you have fold equity for the shove stage. 3. when you have less than 10BB always shove and dont raise or limp. 4. be careful shoving limpers because a lot of players have a tendency to limp call very light at the end stages of a dym. 5. i find limping in SB or checking in BB with big aces is fine in dym but obviously just throw them away more readily in a multi way pot. 6. chip stacks are key... if you raise someones BB who has about 10BB then you can expect them to shove a % of the time so tighten up your raising range... middle stacks though bully bully bully and passive big stacks but not calling station big stacks. 7. chip accumulation... ok some people say basically sit out the first couple blind levels but i think instead you should be slowly trying to accumulate chips using your post flop advantage so that you have the potential to survive a coin flip later on. 8. the power of the min raise... min raise acts as a pot builder but also establishes your control in the hand (a psychological raise)... ooo he raised he must have a hand sort of thinking... so min raising in position with suited cons can be very potent and a decent % of the time everyone plays so tight they just fold. this can also be done with a wide range in the SB as it allows you to C bet very cheaply and pick up lots of small pots allowing for successful chip accumulation. hope these tips helps buddy... let me know if u need any explained or want to debate anything much love x
Posted by BlackFish3

mmmm so you do have a bit of poker skill in you lol !

BlackFish3

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In Response to Re: DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!.... : mmmm so you do have a bit of poker skill in you lol !
Posted by IRISHROVER

errrm eh irish? you think i was a complete donk?

loonytoons

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In Response to Re: DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!.... : mmmm so you do have a bit of poker skill in you lol !
Posted by IRISHROVER

probably copied it from another forum lol hehe

Dudeskin8

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In Response to Re: DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!.... : probably copied it from another forum lol hehe
Posted by loonytoons

LOL, that's cruel

IRISHROVER

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In Response to Re: DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!.... : errrm eh irish? you think i was a complete donk?
Posted by BlackFish3

now when you say donk,

i presume you mean donkey like in poker calling station,

i would never say something like that about one of my mates,

p.s. but in facial appearance you do look a bit like mr ed .

lucky for me you are far to young to know who  mr ed was  lol.

BlackFish3

lol ouch loony thanks a lot... all my own tips though i wont bother next time if this is the response im going to get haha irish i just googled mr ed... thanks.

IRISHROVER

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lol ouch loony thanks a lot... all my own tips though i wont bother next time if this is the response im going to get haha irish i just googled mr ed... thanks.
Posted by BlackFish3

n1,

hey i tried out your tips today seriously they worked for me ty,

and plzzz do bother ,

 

unknown_username

What a great thread, this is what a community is all about :-)

DOHHHHHHH

Ive not played any sng's today guys, Was up till 5.30am this morning playing a DYM with blackfish (thanx 4 the post m8). I only went to bed then as my Dad was up for work and needed the lappy. So Iv been struggling abit today, played the ME, took 3 bounties, and played the deepstack omaha tourny this aft which, I WON! HA!

Hardly good preperation for the biggest NLHE competition Im ever likely to play in like, lol, but thankfully I have time on my side.

Early concerns about my comp not being able to handle more than 2 games at once have changed, watching the guys allocate their time tonight, I think there's plenty enough time to get the 10 sngs in, playing 2 at a time all night in 1 particular night, is easily possible. This will probably be if I bust early in the main event one night, If I go deep in all 3, then this is kool

Enter 2 each night at ten to 11 to squeeze as much time in as possible on my beloved cash tables

Anyway, I feel like I'm writing a diary here, when all I came on to say was thanx for all your replies, and tomorrow, midday till midnight, is gonna be solid poker, with loads n loads of sngs, so If u guys can just glance in there will be some new hands to look at.

Thanx again, DOHH

unknown_username

JJ take a look at a post on blonde re. stt strategy. It's by wardonkey (one of the best stt players) and you will find it useful. If you search on blonde you should find it.

psst ....... If you ask Tikay nicely he might give you a link to it.


Woof!

Tikay10

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JJ take a look at a post on blonde re. stt strategy. It's by wardonkey (one of the best stt players) and you will find it useful. If you search on blonde you should find it. psst ....... If you ask Tikay nicely he might give you a link to it. Woof!
Posted by elsadog

I cannot Post a Link to it - the Mods would have me shot!

But I will ensure Dohx7 gets to see it. I'll either copy it across to here, or send him a PM telling him where he can find it.

Gotta love this thread.

Tikay10

I was looking for a photo of Ed The Donkey, & came across this photograph of ElsaDog & MereDonkey.




 

DOHHHHHHH

Mornin ! - Here goes then 10 sngs in a row! - Ive read the post on the other forum, thanx to the dog and tk for that, very useful, learnt alot about shoving ranges imparticular!

Just guna play 10 str8 off then post the interesting hands afterwards instead of inbetween! wish me luk!

DOHH

IRISHROVER

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Mornin ! - Here goes then 10 sngs in a row! - Ive read the post on the other forum, thanx to the dog and tk for that, very useful, learnt alot about shoving ranges imparticular! Just guna play 10 str8 off then post the interesting hands afterwards instead of inbetween! wish me luk! DOHH
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

 

best of luck m8y !

remember what mr black said ,

wax on wax off !

Tikay10

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Mornin ! - Here goes then 10 sngs in a row! - Ive read the post on the other forum, thanx to the dog and tk for that, very useful, learnt alot about shoving ranges imparticular! Just guna play 10 str8 off then post the interesting hands afterwards instead of inbetween! wish me luk! DOHH
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Morning Mr Dohx7.

Did you find all three articles? If so, hope they help, if not, let me know, & I'll sort them out for you.

I plan to make all three articles avilable to ALL the Mentor Picks, as that's only fair. Many of them may not be interested, or feel they need them, that's fine, but I feel I need to be even-handed with everyone.

I am trying to arrange for the Articles to be Posted on Sky Poker as one of my Blogs, but I just need to seek the Author's permission first. I'm quite sure I can arrange for permission from the other Site.

Good Luck in your SNG-athon, I'll drop by on the Rail too see how you are doing in a bit.

And I've not forgotten your PM - I have a huge backlog, but I want to, & will, reply to it. Just bear with me please.

Tikay10

He's BLITZING the first two!

It's like printing money.

DOHHHHHHH

Went wrong! Shoved the button with two 4's small blind had AA for 75th time!!! agh 

Was in mini, playing 2, it was running fine most of the time, until the end of the first game, it stalled for 3/4 hands. Its coz I went from mini to main view. Nevermind. Here goes again....

Tikay10

I bokked you! Sorry.

You looked home & hosed in both of them when I last looked.

When you have finished your sess - & not before - I'd be interested to see that 4-4 v A-A hand. The Blinds, your stack, A-A man's stack, how many left.

DYM's have a very odd dynamic, unlike a regular SNG or MTT, as you know, & I'm just curious if we needed to shove there, or just got a bit gung-ho. Not being critical, just curious. 

NoseyBonk

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DYM's have a very odd dynamic, unlike a regular SNG or MTT, as you know, & I'm just curious if we needed  to shove there, or just got a bit gung-ho. Not being critical, just curious. 
Posted by Tikay10

You're not wrong. I ended up playing KK all-in during a game yesterday when I didn't need to, and a player behind me had me covered with AA. Sometimes these holdings have to be ditched for survival, and it gets particularly tricky when there's still a lot of players (5 or 6 even) and EVERYONE is equally short stacked.

FlashFlush

This is a great thread for me to read through as well. Like DOHHHH im not a DYM specialist at all, more like a DYM donkey. I'm going to try and play as many regular STT games on my days as possible rather than DYMs, the trouble is I know not as many regs run compared to dym . Goodluck to you doh in your buildup, ill will try and play a few low staked games to get the feel for it before I play for real on Monday.

Reg stt's are more like "Going for the win" mentality that I like. I have always been a ladderer in MTTs but lately have really gone for the wins, in the last 6 MTTs iv cashed in iv won 4 of them, but alot of non-cashes along the way. Its all about finding the happy medium but I think with my new MTT style that should help no end with the stt format.

unknown_username

Having watched the first two (had to pop out so didn't see more) I think you should just remind yourself that in DYM's 3rd is 1st. Otherwise you did fine.

I'm not sure that DYM's suit your game/mindset and you would be much better suited to straight sng's. Having said that you have the ability to adjust to suit.

Best of luck JJ