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DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!....

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2010

    Ok record for today, 

    3 sit n goes (top 2) - 1st, 1st, 1st, 

    4 DYMS, 1st, 1st, 2nd (site probs cost me) 1st! :)

    All the advice is really helping, I cant wait to get on the cash tables later and 4 bet pre with 3 high! let off some steam! hahaha

    Anyway only one question today really, something that never came up last time as I found the early stages really easy going.

    2nd hand of the DYM, no reads on anyone...

    Theres a limp UTG, and a 3x BB raise behind him, folded round to me in the BB I have Kings. Now then....Im not gonna say what I did, I want u guys to explain your move, obviously a raise, how much and why?

    I definately want to play this hand right? (by play it I mean get a caller and see a flop...) - Answers on a post plz!

    Also later on, blinds 50/100, Ive raised utg with KK 3x bb, too small? 2 callers. Flop ace high? Do u give up here??? or rep the A? I bet half pot and it worked, does this work long term?

    Both scenarios DYM specific.

    Thanx, DOHH
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited January 2010
    i make it 10x with your KK in situation 1... its the idea of the raise should be at least 3x so that would be 9xBB and i added 1 BB for the limper, some donk will probably call with AJ anyway.

    I rep the ace with my KK as well and yes it does work, ooo he raised he must have AK lol.

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  • jimifloydjimifloyd
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!....:
    Ok record for today,  3 sit n goes (top 2) - 1st, 1st, 1st,  4 DYMS, 1st, 1st, 2nd (site probs cost me) 1st! :) All the advice is really helping, I cant wait to get on the cash tables later and 4 bet pre with 3 high! let off some steam! hahaha Anyway only one question today really, something that never came up last time as I found the early stages really easy going. 2nd hand of the DYM, no reads on anyone... Theres a limp UTG, and a 3x BB raise behind him, folded round to me in the BB I have Kings. Now then....Im not gonna say what I did, I want u guys to explain your move, obviously a raise, how much and why? I definately want to play this hand right? (by play it I mean get a caller and see a flop...) - Answers on a post plz! Also later on, blinds 50/100, Ive raised utg with KK 3x bb, too small? 2 callers. Flop ace high? Do u give up here??? or rep the A? I bet half pot and it worked, does this work long term? Both scenarios DYM specific. Thanx, DOHH
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Always keep your raises the same 3 times or 4 ur choice + another 1 for each limper it disguises ur hand strengh and reraise 2 times ur initial raise + 1 or 2 extra depending on limpers.

    So many people on this site when stealing raise 7,10 even 20 times the big blind.Mike Cairo's tell strength represents weakness and weakness strength.Basically if your so strong why such a big raise you would surley wanna get paid.

    Your second part depends on flop texture opponets looseness and opponents position.
    You shoud be noting opponents ranges from postitions seen as so we dont have huds on sky.
    The loosness of the player is found out as the game goes along but seen as though you dont have time to get a descent profile on all players i'd just base it on flop texture and ur reads on the players(assigned playing ranges of players).

    Is it a drawing board is it Ace with 2 high cards or Ace with 2 low cards which is perfect for a c bet.
    But in generall i would always c bet kings and it aint like you dont have anything
    if you aint got the stack size to c bet it should be a shove pre so in generall its a good ploy.
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  • beanehbeaneh
    edited January 2010
    Doh you need to look into independent chip modelling for the situations where the prize and payouts affect your play more than the hand you hold. dyms are horrible because you have to play so tight!

    I think I remember the first hand you had you had A6 in the sb 4 way on the bubble. I think that's an unexploitable shove because of stack sizes and being on the bubble. due to the way the payouts work it's very very bad play for your opponent to be calling all in unless he has a really strong hand.


    Try here for a starter on ICM calcs, it's a pretty good intro.


    it's easy enough to find calcs online that you just enter stack sizes etc and it tells you optimal play for the different stack sizes/positions relative to payouts.

    You can also find a discussion of the validity of ICM here :-



    Hope that helps.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2010

    Ugh HU practise guys, that was embarassing, I got smashed to pieces! By making raises re raises, 3 bets 4 bets! Ida been better waiting for a hand!

    WP 2 my oppO! I might as well not have been there, fantastic HU play! I dint get a look in!

    DOHH
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  • phil12ukphil12uk
    edited January 2010
    Good game tonight Dohhhhhhh - hate the coolers when at final table
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited February 2010

    Hey guys - had to search to page 7 to find this thread! Either Ive been slacking or the forums been busy, or both!

    Not been playing many sngs lately, Ive been looking at heads up, play money first, then sit n gos and a proper cash table only NL20 though.

    Anyway back to DYM. Just played a couple of 5r ens to refresh, cashed in both, so haven't forgotten everything...

    Genral DYM strategy is obviously play mega tight early on.

    I doubled up on one at the 50/100 level. I had AK in the BB, there was a raise utg 3x, and 2 more callers with the action on me! Only had 15 BB's so tanked, got it thru the origonal raiser, and amazingly got 1 caller., with AJ, doubled. Now theres me and another big stack, and 2 shorter stacks.

    Here, should I be looking to pick spots to put pressure on the shortie? (eg Sb on BB unraised)

    I was on the small blind the very next hand, blinds 75/150. I tried to put pressure on the shortie and he came over the top all in. Is this a mistake?

    The way I see it theres 2 ways to go, be pro-active, take control, boss the table. r sit bak, and wait, and HOPE theres a collision around me.

    Its frustrating coz no1 makes any moves, and it ends up a shove fest, and cards alot of the time determine the outcome. 

    How do u guys approach using a bigstack in the mid/late stages of a dym?

    Cheerz, DOHH
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  • robcrobc
    edited February 2010
    hey

     I personally find it really hard playin the bigstacks in DYM, because i naturally want to put pressure on the small stacks, and have got myself into trouble and even lost a 5.5k stack on the bubble once (wont be doing that again)

    for that reason i just tighten up and pick my spots well obviously not letting the small stack take advantage lol gets abit frustrating but seems to prove more profitable :)

     rob
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  • CardGeniusCardGenius
    edited February 2010
    Alright dohhhhhh I think the other guys have said it all, I like to use a ICM trainer a few times a week practice for when it gets to the bubble or you get to between 12-10 bb if i have 24 bb or more I am not even playing anything but super premiums!

    I hate it when players like the sb guy you mentioned dont make the maths calls I just mark them for later games bullying 

    Good luck with TP!!
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  • CardGeniusCardGenius
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!....:
    Maybe we should do one of these tricky DYM "tactical" plays as this week's Make Your Play?
    Posted by Tikay10
    Alright tikay my old china! I have posted a hand in  the "play my hand request" thread that might fit the bill. 
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited February 2010

    Just had a hand there, short stacked v1 oppo, Im out of pos having raised up following his limp utg. 

    I have ace 10, flop ace ten 6 rainbow. 

    Now I check, I want to double here! Is this the most stupid thing I cud do?

    He checks behind, turn is a jack, I move in, I have 850ish, just over the pot. He snaps. I already know his hand, QK!!!

    Is there any room to slow play here? I wanted to double up so I was comfortable, such a dry board. Is it a cooler or did I ask for it?

    U cud argue with my pre flop play, I know its a bit dodgy.

    Its the question of slowplaying I want addressing? - Just had a feeling he was gonna push! Best off killing the hand there?
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  • beanehbeaneh
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!....:
    Just had a hand there, short stacked v1 oppo, Im out of pos having raised up following his limp utg.  I have ace 10, flop ace ten 6 rainbow.  Now I check, I want to double here! Is this the most stupid thing I cud do? He checks behind, turn is a jack, I move in, I have 850ish, just over the pot. He snaps. I already know his hand, QK!!! Is there any room to slow play here? I wanted to double up so I was comfortable, such a dry board. Is it a cooler or did I ask for it? U cud argue with my pre flop play, I know its a bit dodgy. Its the question of slowplaying I want addressing? - Just had a feeling he was gonna push! Best off killing the hand there?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    dont bother slow playing the chips in the pot are always too worthwhile in this format.

    Did you have a look into the icm bubble calcuations? because that is where you can probably improve your game the most.

    Taking notes will allow you to spot who you can and cant bully. 
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited February 2010

    All being well, at DTD on Sunday, I shall organise an introduction between two players who have never met.

    Mr Beaneh, meet Mr Dohx7, Mr Dohx7, meet Mr Beaneh.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited February 2010
    Not going tk. 

    what do u think to the above question tho?]]

    DOHH
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: DOHHH's TP preperation sit n go specific thread!....:
    Not going tk.  what do u think to the above question tho?]] DOHH
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Nooooooooooooo!
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited February 2010

    Not for me matey, have my biggest day of poker ever the next day, If I went on sun that wud be my 2 biggest days in a row. 

    Gunna give those 3 nights my all. 

    Was the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, for NOOOOOOOOOOO never slow play in a dym? I NOOOOOOOOOO

    it cost me :(

    DOHH
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