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Gutted with the Etiquette shown Heads up in the UKOPS 5 Main evenT
There was a few of us there telling him to run the clock and wait for u bud but he just was hitting the raise as quick as he pos could so bad sorry and wp acky
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Personally, I'd fully expect it to be done to me, so would do the same back, cynical maybe, but meh.
£2000 is a awful lot of money there are many reasons why he could desperatly need the money u just don't know, slow rolling IMO is far worse etiquette
Vul Michael, wp though
I would wait though & have waited - several mins in fact. On the odd occasion I wished I hadn't as I ended up in 2nd place, but good sportsmanship means more to me than the money.
On average it takes 5mins for a pc &/or broadband box to re-boot, so if oppo ain't back after that, I think we are good to steel in the knowledge that at least we did our best to wait for a while.
i am reminded of greghogg.
many years ago greg waited in this same situation.
i saw his name again just recently too.
Suggestion; have a smartphone with the mobile app installed as a back-up device when playing big money tournaments on Sky Poker. If your PC crashes or your wifi goes down at a crucial moment you can fire-up the table fairly quickly and continue to play via the mobile network.
If we're talking about forum reg vs forum reg, then I think we could see that figure rise to the dizzying heights of 50% due to the fact people are less likely to "take" from their friends since they know full well that they'll know it happened, and most people, rightly or wrongly, operate on a different moral compass when facing this kind of situation with a friend rather than a random. They don't want to upset their friends feelings and have it told to them that that wasn't fair, whereas vs a random they might think they can just get away with it.
regarding the actual situation, I think it's such a grey area that I wouldn't mind if it happened to me at all.
How long is villain supposed to wait for you?
Is he supposed to wait forever and take a flip situation?
What happens if stacks are close and villain doesn't steal the blinds, and Lyonsbob ends up winning the tournament. Surely Lyons should then be obliged to send villain half of the extra money? Sky Poker don't allow transfers so that'd be difficult.
I can't begin to have it that the hardcore sorts on, say, PokerStars, with their seating scripts, HUD's & assorted third party software operate on an identical moral compass to players on what still is a recreationally dominated site.
All IMO, of course. We are talking degrees, of course, nobody knows, but I'd bet good money that 1% was a very long way out indeed. I tend to see the best in people, it's a default setting, whereas the more cynical see the downsides easier.
Incidentally, as to the OP, I do feel for him, of course I do, but for balance (fancy a poker player seeing things in a balanced way, eh?) the other guy never broke any rules & I'm certainly not condemning him at all. I'd not do it, not in a million years, but it's just a personal choice.
HUDs provide minimal advantage over a recreational player due the fact that it's only effective after thousands of hands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of hands, and vs a recreational you'll rarely get over 1,000 hands. I think people who don't really know about HUDs, or who haven't used HUDs, often exaggerate this issue. HUDs are used primarily against other regulars, and I guarentee if huds were allowed on Sky and one regular bought one, then every other regular would follow. I don't think it's a moral issue. I also think it's worth nothing that this isn't just a pro thing, plenty of recreationals also use HUDS. I used one when I was playing for fun, and I know many others do too.
It's the same kind of thing with scripts, if 15 of the 20 regulars on NL400 are using scripts, then it's going to be close to impossible for the other 5 regulars to even get a seat in most games that run. So, what can they do? Get a script.
The majority of poker players who use HUDs and scripts would not even care if they got banned, in fact I know a lot want it to happen. The problem arises when 1 person is using them to gain an advantage, then another will use it, and another etc.
I don't think HUDs and scripts should even be held in same bracket since they're completely different things. HUD for the reasons above, i.e. not being effective vs recreationals. Scripts are predatory and make recreationals feel preyed on and they lose their money slightly quicker due to regulars getting an instant seat. However, it would be a mistake to think there would be a big effect if they were indeed banned. Regulars will quickly join the game when a fish sits script or not, perhaps 4-5 seconds slower.
there isn't really any other third party software that's permitted to be open at the same time as Pokerstars - they are used for off the table studying. Again, open to anyone.
edit, realise I went on a bit of a rant there. I'm getting at your point about huds and scripts, believe it or not, and saying the exact same thing would happen on ANY site that would allow it. Just because pokerstars regulars use them, doesn't mean they're immoral - it simply means it's the only way they can do their job. and for my reasons listed in post 1, I think a recreational would be more likely to take the blinds, even more than a script using hud using 3rd party software using awful regular.
I believe my point remains valid. Anyway, let's not argue, it's impossible to prove either way.
Hope you have a good UKOPS.
With respect, we are talking apples & pears.
Yes yes yes, if all those artificial aids were allowed on other sites, lots of players would use them, & it would NOT make those players any less "moral". It WOULD, however, mean they were operating on a different moral compass.
You say you've made a valid point, but I'm yet to even see a point
I remain wedded to the view that to suggest 99% of the players on Sky Poker would take advantage of an away player in that scenario is incorrect.
i have been holding both your jackets for far too long. have them back and be on your way home, boys.