The spaghetti western strategy

BigRonnieC

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In Response to Re: The spaghetti western strategy : I do wish you'd post more Ronnie, & not just in the Hand Analysis boards. Love your Posts, all of them.   Anyway, to your question. More fun. More action. Bigger hands. Boats, flushes & sets happen so much more frequently. We are "allowed" to limp pre, assuming sensible stack sixes relative to blinds.   It's a drawing game, not a game of made hands. More skill required. (Arguably). More thought required.   Pot Limit is brain not brawn. More people play it badly.   Played by people who, though only my perception, are more friendly. The fact that so few play the game suggests I'm wrong, of course.  Probably.  
Posted by Tikay10

I learned the hard way that most winning hands are made hands at set/straight level or above if betting goes to river. 

Is limping "good play" in a ring game? Any suggestions on a good Omaha guide (preferably on paper so I can pretend I am working) would be appreciated.

Tikay10

In Response to Re: The spaghetti western strategy:

In Response to Re: The spaghetti western strategy : I learned the hard way that most winning hands are made hands at set/straight level or above if betting goes to river.  Is limping "good play" in a ring game? Any suggestions on a good Omaha guide (preferably on paper so I can pretend I am working) would be appreciated.
Posted by BigRonnieC

Morning Ronnie,

Limping or peeling is not terrible in PLO or PLO8, though a raise is often better. Omaha is not a pre-flop game, it's a post flop game.

I'm generally raising pre with a strong hand (position & situation dependant), but I'm also generally coming along with strong, preferably suited or DS rundowns. It's not always wise to raise with, say, 9-10-J-Q, but I'd almost NEVER fold it pre even if we think Villain has Aces. Our hand has so many ways to improve, where Aces, especially bad one, don't easily improve, they generally have just 2 improvers, so it's a case of "can they hold?" v "can we hit a good flop & improve".

I'll put some Omaha hints & tips, (including some Omaha videos I made recently),  up in due course - may not be today - which I hope you'll find interesting.      

Jac35

Just read this thread.

Great opening post Craig.

Tikay10

In Response to Re: The spaghetti western strategy:

In Response to Re: The spaghetti western strategy : I learned the hard way that most winning hands are made hands at set/straight level or above if betting goes to river.  Is limping "good play" in a ring game? Any suggestions on a good Omaha guide (preferably on paper so I can pretend I am working) would be appreciated.
Posted by BigRonnieC

Hi Ronnie,

I promised to reply with some Omaha stuff. My problem is I don't know what level you are at in Omaha.

For written stuff, (which you requested) I can't find much on our site (plenty available via google), here's a few video clips. I must stress, this is just beginners ABC stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em1TLHs9xZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_FtDaghOYw

If, as I suspect, you already have some basic idea, these are probably a little better. These are "actual play" where, as the hands develop, I discuss the thinking street by street.

This one here is a beautiful example of the difference between NLH & PLO. Here I have Queens full, but just flat call on the river. Why? 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkkPm0oJu98

Here's Part 2 of the same series;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j5jHoyEJlc

...and Part 3......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNk384ItOrk

 

NoseyBonk

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Posted by Tikay10

Good morning Tikay.

I'm familiar with PLO (just not the 8 variety) but I'm watching the videos anyway. I don't know if I'm missing something very obvious here, but why does the pot change from 30p to 27p after the flop is dealt? It appears Phantom makes an overbet on the flop (30p into 27p).

HENDRIK62

In Response to Re: The spaghetti western strategy:

In Response to Re: The spaghetti western strategy : Good morning Tikay. I'm familiar with PLO (just not the 8 variety) but I'm watching the videos anyway. I don't know if I'm missing something very obvious here, but why does the pot change from 30p to 27p after the flop is dealt? It appears Phantom makes an overbet on the flop (30p into 27p).
Posted by NoseyBonk

rake?

BigRonnieC

In Response to Re: The spaghetti western strategy:

In Response to Re: The spaghetti western strategy : Hi Ronnie, I promised to reply with some Omaha stuff. My problem is I don't know what level you are at in Omaha. For written stuff, (which you requested) I can't find much on our site (plenty available via google), here's a few video clips. I must stress, this is just beginners ABC stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em1TLHs9xZs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_FtDaghOYw If, as I suspect, you already have some basic idea, these are probably a little better. These are "actual play" where, as the hands develop, I discuss the thinking street by street. This one here is a beautiful example of the difference between NLH & PLO. Here I have Queens full, but just flat call on the river. Why?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkkPm0oJu98 Here's Part 2 of the same series; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j5jHoyEJlc ...and Part 3...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNk384ItOrk  
Posted by Tikay10

Thanks a million Tikay. I know rules of Omaha and hi/lo but have not played much except through curiosity. You could shove basics though my eyeballs but I like to know why you're doing it and that takes experience (like folding an AA or KK post flop - it is an acquired feeling - learn texture, player, game - you know what I mean). 

I am still getting comfortable again with hold 'em after a long break - Up a good bit given "bankroll" (I have ten bankrolls in my wallet but that's irrelevant, I ain't gambling with it) - still relearning feel for stealing blinds, bluffing pots with tight image and, never an issue at low stakes - trapping with good hands.

Post flop play requires a lot more skill, Omaha is a post flop game, so I'm happy taking it slow and steady. 

NoseyBonk

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Posted by HENDRIK62

Guess it must be. It's just that in all the time I've been watching Sky Poker/videos/etc I've never seen it presented that way (that I recall anyway), where it's deducted immediately for the pot but the player can still bet the original pot amount.

Don't play cash so maybe it's the norm - just thinking about what I've seen on the shows and the like.