Absolute joke.

jimm338

I've had absolutely no luck on here all week. The 7:30pm freerolls I've finished just out the money both nights and had some very bad luck along the way but tonight takes the biscuit, not least because I was in a good position.






No surprise that the guy with more chips gets the luck, it's getting sad when I can predict the river so frequently, not one ounce of me was surprised he hit his jack on the river.

gerardirl

Im not trying to be annoying Jim but you said you were in good position, might you have had some luck to be in good position?

My point is we often forget when we had some luck, but always remember when we were unlucky.

Anyhow we all need a vent now and then, hope it turns for you soon.

Good luck,

Ger

hhyftrftdr

I don't think I can wait for these pics to be approved.

APPROVE THEM NOW SKY!

jimm338

We're all in these tournaments to win Gerard and the right now I'm either not even getting involved in touraments or when I do get involved I get done, more often than not by a bad beat on the river. 

My biggest issue is that I can see them coming.

To sum the hand up I've got KK. The guy after the BB raises 3x the big blind, a couple of people fold, I go all in. Then the last person folds and the guy who raised calls. Cards turnover he's got JJ against my KK.

Flop comes and gives him absolutely no hope, no flush draw, no straight draw all low cards. The turn is another low card which again does him no good. Now we all know what the river card is and I'm left licking my wounds once again.

I accept that these beats can happen but the frequency in which they do is getting ridiculous. It's also uncanny how often these beats occur in favour of the guy with the larger stack.

hhyftrftdr

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We're all in these tournaments to win Gerard and the right now I'm either not even getting involved in touraments or when I do get involved I get done, more often than not by a bad beat on the river.  My biggest issue is that I can see them coming. To sum the hand up I've got KK. The guy after the BB raises 3x the big blind, a couple of people fold, I go all in. Then the last person folds and the guy who raised calls. Cards turnover he's got JJ against my KK. Flop comes and gives him absolutely no hope, no flush draw, no straight draw all low cards. The turn is another low card which again does him no good. Now we all know what the river card is and I'm left licking my wounds once again. I accept that these beats can happen but the frequency in which they do is getting ridiculous. It's also uncanny how often these beats occur in favour of the guy with the larger stack.
Posted by jimm338

No you can't.

RLT16

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We're all in these tournaments to win Gerard and the right now I'm either not even getting involved in touraments or when I do get involved I get done, more often than not by a bad beat on the river.  My biggest issue is that I can see them coming. To sum the hand up I've got KK. The guy after the BB raises 3x the big blind, a couple of people fold, I go all in. Then the last person folds and the guy who raised calls. Cards turnover he's got JJ against my KK. Flop comes and gives him absolutely no hope, no flush draw, no straight draw all low cards. The turn is another low card which again does him no good. Now we all know what the river card is and I'm left licking my wounds once again. I accept that these beats can happen but the frequency in which they do is getting ridiculous. It's also uncanny how often these beats occur in favour of the guy with the larger stack.
Posted by jimm338

you know that will happen 20% of the time right? get over it

RLT16

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Posted by RLT16

also if you think i favours the big stacks shove first hand, when everyone folds ur chip leader, then u can shove every hand because ur the big stack and it will favour you, #easygame

stuarty117

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We're all in these tournaments to win Gerard and the right now I'm either not even getting involved in touraments or when I do get involved I get done, more often than not by a bad beat on the river.  My biggest issue is that I can see them coming. To sum the hand up I've got KK. The guy after the BB raises 3x the big blind, a couple of people fold, I go all in. Then the last person folds and the guy who raised calls. Cards turnover he's got JJ against my KK. Flop comes and gives him absolutely no hope, no flush draw, no straight draw all low cards. The turn is another low card which again does him no good. Now we all know what the river card is and I'm left licking my wounds once again. I accept that these beats can happen but the frequency in which they do is getting ridiculous. It's also uncanny how often these beats occur in favour of the guy with the larger stack.
Posted by jimm338

No your not top 6 qualify so you dont have to win if its the freerolls your talking about.

Jim keep making the correct decisions and hopefully your luck will change. 

jimm338

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Posted by RLT16

You think the way that hand panned out is likely to happen 20% of the time? Maths isn't your strong point then?

hhyftrftdr

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Posted by jimm338

It doesn't matter if JJ flopped it, turned it or rivered it. The chips went in pre, you lose that hand 20% of the time.

Maths isn't your strong point then?

jimm338

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Posted by hhyftrftdr

What would you know?

hhyftrftdr

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In Response to Re: Absolute joke. : What would you know?
Posted by jimm338

I know that JJ beats KK 20% of the time.

jimm338

I wasn't talking about losing the hand though. I was talking about him hitting 1 of only 2 cards left in the whole pack that can win him the hand on the river. That isn't likely to happen 20% of the time.

If you watch live poker they show the percentages after every stage not just pre-flop and post flop. The chances of him winning that hand on the river were incredibly slim.

hhyftrftdr

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I wasn't talking about losing the hand though. I was talking about him hitting 1 of only 2 cards left in the whole pack that can win him the hand on the river. That isn't likely to happen 20% of the time. If you watch live poker they show the percentages after every stage not just pre-flop and post flop. The chances of him winning that hand on the river were incredibly slim.
Posted by jimm338

Why does it matter it was the river? You seem fixated on it.

The chips went in pre, he will win 20% of the time, the runout is irrelevant. There is no control over events once you click that all in button.

jimm338

The runout is not irrelevant you absolute moron, are you not understanding what I'm saying or are you just stupid? The percentage of him winning the hand changes with every stage of the hand, after the flop he's no longer 20% and even lower after the turn.

hhyftrftdr

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I wasn't talking about losing the hand though. I was talking about him hitting 1 of only 2 cards left in the whole pack that can win him the hand on the river. That isn't likely to happen 20% of the time. If you watch live poker they show the percentages after every stage not just pre-flop and post flop. The chances of him winning that hand on the river were incredibly slim.
Posted by jimm338

5%, but it really doesn't matter.

If it can happen in poker, then it can happen in poker. If you can't get your head round that then there is no hope for you in this game.

You might think that's harsh but thems the breaks.

Good luck.

hhyftrftdr

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The runout is not irrelevant you absolute moron, are you not understanding what I'm saying or are you just stupid? The percentage of him winning the hand changes with every stage of the hand, after the flop he's no longer 20% and even lower after the turn.
Posted by jimm338

Give the game up, it's not for you.

Darkangel7

No need to be rude, just because you've had a bad beat. Get over it and move on or as H says give it up. Tilting and being rude is not part of the game.

FeelGroggy

 Yes its annoying when you lose with the best hand, but if your going to get so annoyed as to write a forum post about it in a freeroll I don't think poker is the game for you. Very standard hand, you swap them, it gets in. Same result.

I got 3 outered for 96 quid about 15 minutes ago but its very much part of the game.

hhyftrftdr

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 Yes its annoying when you lose with the best hand, but if your going to get so annoyed as to write a forum post about it in a freeroll I don't think poker is the game for you. Very standard hand, you swap them, it gets in. Same result. I got 3 outered for 96 quid about 15 minutes ago but its very much part of the game.
Posted by FeelGroggy

Are you an absolute moron? DID YOU NOT SEE THE RUNOUT?

Tikay10

Jimmi,

You are being given good - & perfectly correct - advice here by some very experienced players.

You may need a little help with your game, so go to our Poker clinic - HERE - & ask some questions, tell them you are struggling, & you'll get a ton of good, free, advice. If you are willing to learn, you cannot fail to improve.
 
And please don't abuse those who are trying to help you. That's all they are trying to do - help you - so they don't deserve abuse. 

One thing you will have to accept is that poker can be brutally unfair at times, & it goes in runs. That's the mighty beast called variance at work. Nobody is immune to variance. But if you have good technique, you can beat the game. 

Good luck.   

unknown_username

Oh, Cant believe I missed this debate.

A proper popcorn and Fanta thread too.

yuranASSet

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Oh, Cant believe I missed this debate. A proper popcorn and Fanta thread too.
Posted by mumsie

That's variance Mumsie. You will miss these threads 80% of the time.

weecheez1

Dreading those pictures getting approved bet it's me 

HENDRIK62

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In Response to Re: Absolute joke. : That's variance Mumsie. You will miss these threads 80% of the time.
Posted by yuranASSet

:-)

NoseyBonk

There's absolutely loads of love for the words 'absolute(ly)' 

RLT16

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Posted by jimm338

I once finished 4th in a national maths competition, I'd say my maths isn't to shabby

goldon

Free Rolls  just tried one lost ten points   I'm gutted.?

cenachav

Prefer Bacon rolls to free rolls tbh.  I know whats coming in them

DOHHHHHHH

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The runout is not irrelevant you absolute moron, are you not understanding what I'm saying or are you just stupid? The percentage of him winning the hand changes with every stage of the hand, after the flop he's no longer 20% and even lower after the turn.
Posted by jimm338

If you want to look at it like that, then you were lucky that he didn't hit his jack on any of the first 4 cards, as he will 16% of the time. 

Breaking it down and fixating on these kind of things is going to drive you nuts if you continue to play poker. 

Just worry about what you can control will be the best advice. 

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Say you have a bag of 100 balls. 

99 are red. 

1 is black. 

You are challenged to pick a red ball from the bag at random, and you reach in and do so. 

You have been lucky to complete your challenge. 

99% of the time you will be successful, but over your sample of 1 trial, you have been successful 100% of the time, a number which is more than 99% and therefore you are running above expectation (being lucky)

If you re-set the bag, and repeat an infinite number of times (it will be fun!) then your results will regress to what they should be, you will pick red balls out 99% of the time. 

The key is the sample size. 

You could easily pick the black ball out 4/5 times in the first 100 trials. Which would be unlucky, but it will happen sometimes. 

Just like the 2 outer (jack) can come on the river 100% of the time over a sample of 1 or 2 trials. 

Do it a Million Gazillion, Bajillion times, and you will get more accurate and expected results.

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fwiw you can apply this to everything in life, everytime you drive your car and safely reach your destination you have been lucky. 

You should expect to crash like 0.00000000001% of the time. "As played" (or as driven) over that sample of 1 journey, you've crashed 0% of the time. 

Everytime you have a takeaway and don't get food poisoning, you have been lucky. (I run particuarly good in this area myself over a huge sample)

For the same reasons. 

run better, mannnn  

 

tomgoodun

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Prefer Bacon rolls to free rolls tbh.  I know whats coming in them
Posted by cenachav

Wanna bet ?