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Fixing the river

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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river : It is more easier to fix live cards as there can be human error. If a program is programmed to RNG then it cant go wrong. 
    Posted by stuarty117
    I wouldn't waste your time Stu.
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  • goldongoldon
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river : I wouldn't waste your time Stu.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
      Yeah!  He believes in the  "Tooth Fairy"
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited December 2015
    4. Why comment if you have nothing good to say? Firstly, thank you Steve (kalooki8) for your perspective. I probably do see a lot more looser players and play the variance a lot more with less reward for it playing SNG. But like you notice its hard for me to find 3-4 hours for a tournament. Secondly, if players come here frustrated at the site, dont' you think it would be better to show them something that would help them instead of just defending your precious sky poker like it was God sent. Well I hate to break the news to you...but there are better sites and worser sites than sky...it aint the holy grail.

    Hi Golden, in reference to your comments above, I have no allegiances to Sky and have had my own frustrations with them on occasions. I choose to have an account as I like 6 handed tournaments and I like to have 1 account for football / horse racing and poker. I took the time to reply in order to help not make any clever remarks. I don't for one minute believe that there is software out there that is totally perfect and can be as random as live play. There are however players on every site that get through this fact and make good profits which is why I made the remark of looking at your game or the games you play. I used to play many of the main events but I wasn't good enough so I now stick to lesser MTT's where I can generally hold my own

    All the best

    Steve
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  • goldongoldon
    edited December 2015
     Think you mean Gamer11   steve !     I'm the joker in the pack talking to the jokers.? 
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  • BarrattG1BarrattG1
    edited December 2015
    @Op you need to send an email to skypokersupport, quoting your account name, a decent sob story, and in title quote, URGENT ACCOUNT MODIFICATIONS. Then ask nicely if they'd be willing to boomswitch you, and if so how long the waiting list is, maybe if you grease their palms, they'll shift you up a few places in the list!

    In all seriousness though, there can be 2 outcomes, you don't trust the validity of sky poker or any other poker, and why should you right, Don't play online poker. Don't do online shopping, Don't follow any religion, Don't cross without a green light. Don't place orders at a takeaway that is highly rated, that you have never tried before. Don't buy the lottery. Don't vote for x factor, Don't vote in elections. Don't buy ready meals.

     At some point you either have to concede that like most things in life, you aren't in a position to be able to be certain they are real, either take it with a pinch of salt and carry on, or hermit up and never do anything. I'm not saying don't be critical, I love cynicysm, however cynicysm without sufficient data is just a conspiracy theory. 

    Get better at poker to reduce variance, Play a tighter style, or play a different format liek double or nothings, that you can only win or lose a set amount.

     I'd say good luck at the tables, but instead i'll say may the odds for ever be in your favour, or something.
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  • Jac35Jac35
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    @Op you need to send an email to skypokersupport, quoting your account name, a decent sob story, and in title quote, URGENT ACCOUNT MODIFICATIONS. Then ask nicely if they'd be willing to boomswitch you, and if so how long the waiting list is, maybe if you grease their palms, they'll shift you up a few places in the list! In all seriousness though, there can be 2 outcomes, you don't trust the validity of sky poker or any other poker, and why should you right, Don't play online poker. Don't do online shopping, Don't follow any religion, Don't cross without a green light. Don't place orders at a takeaway that is highly rated, that you have never tried before. Don't buy the lottery. Don't vote for x factor, Don't vote in elections. Don't buy ready meals.  At some point you either have to concede that like most things in life, you aren't in a position to be able to be certain they are real, either take it with a pinch of salt and carry on, or hermit up and never do anything. I'm not saying don't be critical, I love cynicysm, however cynicysm without sufficient data is just a conspiracy theory.  Get better at poker to reduce variance, Play a tighter style, or play a different format liek double or nothings, that you can only win or lose a set amount.  I'd say good luck at the tables, but instead i'll say may the odds for ever be in your favour, or something.
    Posted by BarrattG1
    Nice post
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited December 2015


    "Live" poker is absurdly easy to fix, & any person who has played any amount of Live poker will confirm that.

    I've seen.....


    Dealing off the bottom of the pack.

    Cards being marked, neccessating a deck change as many as 3 times in an hour. This happens every day in every B & M cardroom.
     
    A 56 card deck in a £1,000 GUKPT which went un-noticed for an hour, until two of us tabled EXCTLY the same hand - we were both holding A-Q of spades. How do you retrospectively correct that?
     
    Dodgy dealers.
     
    Cardrooms "skimming" off the rebuys. I have proven this in 3 separate cardrooms.

     
    Ask ANY player who has played significant amount of Live Poker, they will all have seen these things.       
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  • goldongoldon
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    "Live" poker is absurdly easy to fix, & any person who has played any amount of Live poker will confirm that. I've seen..... Dealing off the bottom of the pack. Cards being marked, neccessating a deck change as many as 3 times in an hour. This happens every day in every B & M cardroom.   A 56 card deck in a £1,000 GUKPT which went un-noticed for an hour, until two of us tabled EXCTLY the same hand - we were both holding A-Q of spades. How do you retrospectively correct that?   Dodgy dealers.   Cardrooms "skimming" off the rebuys. I have proven this in 3 separate cardrooms.   Ask ANY player who has played significant amount of Live Poker, they will all have seen these things.    
    Posted by Tikay10
       The Casino has dealers taking cards from a shoe now,  they do not hold the cards anymore to be able to deal from the bottom, you must be talking about (back room) poker or sky UkOPs is in question.?  I only play on here for fun and not grumbling, only saying players that feel the rng is against them have the right to question it.  Old players go and new arrive so it will alway be on the agenda.  Live poker is in front of you ..... (on line)  is programmed by people and the information reproduced.  Like players playing Chess against the Computer the moves are programmed.  I like to think I'm reasonable player but stats say other wise but I enjoy trying to predict next cards and even though I know whats coming still can't resist call the allin.!  If a new player keeps losing with good hands they are bound to think something is wrong.
      This is the place ( is it not ) to vent their feelings.
     
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  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river :    The Casino has dealers taking cards from a shoe now,  they do not hold the cards anymore to be able to deal from the bottom, you must be talking about (back room) poker or sky UkOPs is in question.?  I only play on here for fun and not grumbling, only saying players that feel the rng is against them have the right to question it.  Old players go and new arrive so it will alway be on the agenda.  Live poker is in front of you ..... (on line)  is programmed by people and the information reproduced.  Like players playing Chess against the Computer the moves are programmed.  I like to think I'm reasonable player but stats say other wise but I enjoy trying to predict next cards and even though I know whats coming still can't resist call the allin.!  If a new player keeps losing with good hands they are bound to think something is wrong.   This is the place ( is it not ) to vent their feelings.  
    Posted by goldon

    poker dealers dont deal from a shoe
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  • goldongoldon
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river : poker dealers dont deal from a shoe
    Posted by HENDRIK62
     
    So Sky poker Ukops in Feb will be suspect? 
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  • TeddyBloatTeddyBloat
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river :   So Sky poker Ukops in Feb will be suspect? 
    Posted by goldon

    You believe live poker dealing  is more random than online dealing.

    you believe that dealing from a shoe is more random than not dealing from a shoe.

    You believe that live poker deals from a shoe.

    Live poker is not dealt from a shoe.

    Therefore in your belief system the randomness of ukops-dealing  will reside somewhere between online-poker-dealing and a non-existent way of dealing in live games. So dodgy as, innit.

    As an aside the idea that something can be "more random" is strange. Either something is random or it isn't. It's a bit like saying one thing is more unique or perfect than another. 


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  • RLT16RLT16
    edited December 2015
    can i just ask, are we talking about a shoe you wear on your foot?
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  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    can i just ask, are we talking about a shoe you wear on your foot?
    Posted by RLT16

    :-)
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river :    The Casino has dealers taking cards from a shoe now,  they do not hold the cards anymore to be able to deal from the bottom, you must be talking about (back room) poker or sky UkOPs is in question.?  I only play on here for fun and not grumbling, only saying players that feel the rng is against them have the right to question it.  Old players go and new arrive so it will alway be on the agenda.  Live poker is in front of you ..... (on line)  is programmed by people and the information reproduced.  Like players playing Chess against the Computer the moves are programmed.  I like to think I'm reasonable player but stats say other wise but I enjoy trying to predict next cards and even though I know whats coming still can't resist call the allin.!  If a new player keeps losing with good hands they are bound to think something is wrong.   This is the place ( is it not ) to vent their feelings.  
    Posted by goldon
    They do?

    A shoe?

    As in Blackjack?

    How does that work then? I'm trying to imagine how poker could be dealt from a shoe. Where does that happen, what Casino or Cardroom?

    And when you play online you "know what's coming"? You must be a very rich man then.

    Here's a "shoe". 






    I think you are having a little sport with us. 

    Happy New Year.      
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  • goldongoldon
    edited December 2015
      "Blast" my game is up.?   back to the joke section. !  

       If I were a rich man fiddle diddle diddle de ........... 
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited December 2015
    Hilarious.
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  • goldongoldon
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    Hilarious.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    Life is about enjoying yourself and bringing joy to others.............. try it.?
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river : Life is about enjoying yourself and bringing joy to others.............. try it.?
    Posted by goldon
    I will do, once my sides have stopped splitting.
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  • goldongoldon
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river : I will do, once my sides have stopped splitting.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr

     Happy New Year 
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river :  Happy New Year 
    Posted by goldon
    Happy new year to you too :)
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  • Gamer11Gamer11
    edited January 2016
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    4. Why comment if you have nothing good to say? Firstly, thank you Steve (kalooki8) for your perspective. I probably do see a lot more looser players and play the variance a lot more with less reward for it playing SNG. But like you notice its hard for me to find 3-4 hours for a tournament. Secondly, if players come here frustrated at the site, dont' you think it would be better to show them something that would help them instead of just defending your precious sky poker like it was God sent. Well I hate to break the news to you...but there are better sites and worser sites than sky...it aint the holy grail. Hi Golden, in reference to your comments above, I have no allegiances to Sky and have had my own frustrations with them on occasions. I choose to have an account as I like 6 handed tournaments and I like to have 1 account for football / horse racing and poker. I took the time to reply in order to help not make any clever remarks. I don't for one minute believe that there is software out there that is totally perfect and can be as random as live play. There are however players on every site that get through this fact and make good profits which is why I made the remark of looking at your game or the games you play. I used to play many of the main events but I wasn't good enough so I now stick to lesser MTT's where I can generally hold my own All the best Steve
    Posted by kalooki8
    Hi Steve. I was not being sarcastic with my "thank you". You were the only one who had something helpful to say AND I have gone as far as to take your advice on board and reduce my SNG and try find time to play more tournaments so when variance goes my way I am rewarded more heavily than the need to win many SNG in a row. So genuinely .... thank you Steve

    Emad
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  • Gamer11Gamer11
    edited January 2016
    Also I would like to add by saying I do like sky poker and the tournament styles. I really love 6 seater tournaments so this is my favourite place. I will also take on the very good advice that nothing is perfect but you have to take it all with a pinch of salt. I have already been able to turn a small profit with my old selection of games so hopefully with a few tweeks I can improve on it even further.

    Also I play mostly cash tables in casinos and fortunately have not come across any dodgy live dealings. But with that said I am one of those annoying players who sits down wins a few big hands and is gone before anyone can remember the colour of my shirt. I guess bottom line is...nothing is perfect, but you just have to dig deep and keep looking to improve if you want to keep a winning way about you. Thank you to those who advised.

    p.s. Arsenal to beat Newcastle at 1/3 has got to be worth a good stake. They must have the southampton whooping still fresh in their mind if they try underestimate newcastle. Good luck all and thanks again.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited January 2016
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river : Hi Steve. I was not being sarcastic with my "thank you". You were the only one who had something helpful to say AND I have gone as far as to take your advice on board and reduce my SNG and try find time to play more tournaments so when variance goes my way I am rewarded more heavily than the need to win many SNG in a row. So genuinely .... thank you Steve Emad
    Posted by Gamer11
    No probs  - hope you get the time mate
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  • voyuervoyuer
    edited January 2016
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    4. Why comment if you have nothing good to say? Firstly, thank you Steve (kalooki8) for your perspective. I probably do see a lot more looser players and play the variance a lot more with less reward for it playing SNG. But like you notice its hard for me to find 3-4 hours for a tournament. Secondly, if players come here frustrated at the site, dont' you think it would be better to show them something that would help them instead of just defending your precious sky poker like it was God sent. Well I hate to break the news to you...but there are better sites and worser sites than sky...it aint the holy grail. Hi Golden, in reference to your comments above, I have no allegiances to Sky and have had my own frustrations with them on occasions. I choose to have an account as I like 6 handed tournaments and I like to have 1 account for football / horse racing and poker. I took the time to reply in order to help not make any clever remarks. I don't for one minute believe that there is software out there that is totally perfect and can be as random as live play. There are however players on every site that get through this fact and make good profits which is why I made the remark of looking at your game or the games you play. I used to play many of the main events but I wasn't good enough so I now stick to lesser MTT's where I can generally hold my own All the best Steve
    Posted by kalooki8
    Great Name,Kalooki is a great game.X
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  • cowheadcowhead
    edited January 2016
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    My problem is when two people are all in pre flop and one hand is dominated by the other by having one card covered. The way I play I believe that if you read someone and they push all in and you call with a hand that covered them. You have made a good pre flop call. e.g.  Fish pushes Ace rag and you call with AK-AJ to see you called it right and he has A8 or something similar. My question is, in all my years of playing live and on various websites, why is it that on sky, the underdog will win far more often than they should. In these situations there is only 3 cards in the entire deck that can save them, while you have options that would kill them off, and also with the chance that no one hits and your kicker cleans up. It is around 25% chance they will beat you and I respect that. That does not mean that one in four times you will lose. That means each time the player has a 25% chance which does not improve with each hand he gets dominated on. What I simply mean is a coin is 50/50 for tails or heads. It means each time you flip each side has a 50% chance of winning. It does not mean that over the course of 10 hands, there will be 5 tails and 5 heads. However, on sky it seems that underdogs have a much more higher percentage and that is poor. The RNG needs improving in my opinion because it is no good enough in trying to replicate the random cards of a real deal. It almost works against. Im not the type of player that likes pre flop allins, unless with AA really, but when I do read a player and I do make the right call, I am punished more than I am rewarded. And this mainly happens on sky over ALL other places I have played on. Any thoughts or advise on why that is?
    Posted by Gamer11
    Lolling like fcuk.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2016
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river : Great Name,Kalooki is a great game.X
    Posted by voyuer
    Thanks - Used to be me and my Nan's favourite, I'm just sentimental lol
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  • The_RuinerThe_Ruiner
    edited April 2016
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    My problem is when two people are all in pre flop and one hand is dominated by the other by having one card covered. The way I play I believe that if you read someone and they push all in and you call with a hand that covered them. You have made a good pre flop call. e.g.  Fish pushes Ace rag and you call with AK-AJ to see you called it right and he has A8 or something similar. My question is, in all my years of playing live and on various websites, why is it that on sky, the underdog will win far more often than they should. In these situations there is only 3 cards in the entire deck that can save them, while you have options that would kill them off, and also with the chance that no one hits and your kicker cleans up. It is around 25% chance they will beat you and I respect that. That does not mean that one in four times you will lose. That means each time the player has a 25% chance which does not improve with each hand he gets dominated on. What I simply mean is a coin is 50/50 for tails or heads. It means each time you flip each side has a 50% chance of winning. It does not mean that over the course of 10 hands, there will be 5 tails and 5 heads. However, on sky it seems that underdogs have a much more higher percentage and that is poor. The RNG needs improving in my opinion because it is no good enough in trying to replicate the random cards of a real deal. It almost works against. Im not the type of player that likes pre flop allins, unless with AA really, but when I do read a player and I do make the right call, I am punished more than I am rewarded. And this mainly happens on sky over ALL other places I have played on. Any thoughts or advise on why that is?
    Posted by Gamer11
    I play on lots of tables with you Gamer and I completely agree with you. its not in your head as others have said.
    something does need to change, getting your chips in and being well in front should in the long run reward you for good calls and good play and make you profitable even if only slightly.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2016
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river:
    In Response to Re: Fixing the river : I play on lots of tables with you Gamer and I completely agree with you. its not in your head as others have said. something does need to change, getting your chips in and being well in front should in the long run reward you for good calls and good play and make you profitable even if only slightly.
    Posted by The_Ruiner
    im suprised you think like this m8 you,ve got a good game.
    losing on the river happens to us all and selective memory means we remember those sick river beats,it happens in spells too sometimes they just seem to last forever when actually they don,t. run hot/run cold thats how it is for average players
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