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Would you make these calls?
I would just like to know if I am gambling by making these calls...
So the scenario is I am in last 10 in a £22 tournament. I am comfortable and someone with just less chips than me makes a push.
Would you call:
1. AJ off if you had AQ?
2. A8 off if you had 1010?
3. 66 if you had AK?
The first two times were for more chips and I did and both times I lost and eventually I made calls with AK against 66 and lost them to. I just want to know a round of a few opinions if you could take back time, would you make those calls.
If you need to know more I can provide more info if its not enough for you to make a decision.
Thank you guys
So the scenario is I am in last 10 in a £22 tournament. I am comfortable and someone with just less chips than me makes a push.
Would you call:
1. AJ off if you had AQ?
2. A8 off if you had 1010?
3. 66 if you had AK?
The first two times were for more chips and I did and both times I lost and eventually I made calls with AK against 66 and lost them to. I just want to know a round of a few opinions if you could take back time, would you make those calls.
If you need to know more I can provide more info if its not enough for you to make a decision.
Thank you guys
Comments
You are calling v a range of hands, played by a population of players.
I'd imagine all 3 hands in most late-stage mtg play will be strong enough to call v the populations GII range.
Note that it really doesnt matter what part of villains range shows up, nor what the final result is.
Imagine we have 88 and sb shoves into our bb @ 12bb. If calling 88 v his range is correct then its just as correct when villain turns over AA as when he has 66. And if he spikes a 6 on the river when he has 66 we've still made the correct play
Signing out for the last time.
All the best on the tables.
So that is why I am staying to test this out. Hopefully you are right and the variance will even itself out in the long term.
I'm guessing you thought the RNG was ok when you won 2x £11 BH's late last year for close to £1k combined.
Perhaps there are aspects of your game you might want to tweak? Just playing your own cards will get you so far, but what about playing the player behind those cards? Just waiting to make hands and then value bet means you are probably missing out on loads of spots and opportunities to chip up and win pots.
If you get your chips in as a 70% fave, then you win that hand 70% of the time. This is indisputable. If you can grasp the basic maths then you might have half a chance with this game.
AQ v 77 LOST
When it matters I dont catch. But when I sit on a SNG I cant stop getting good hands. Is there two different systems being used? I dont know how to test variance. What I meant was simply I hope luck WILL go my way when it matters. So far I am still getting burnt for making right calls. The AQ v 77 I can accept. Coin flip fair enough. JJ V 99......yea right
You need to understand and grasp the maths aspect of the game. Underpairs beat overpairs sometimes. AQ beats AK sometimes etc. If it can happen in poker, then it can happen. It's frustrating (speaking from experience!), but if you can't get your head around it then it will have a detrimental effect on your game.
If you keep making the right decisions and correct calls, you will win money long term. It's as simple as that. Volume will even out variance, and skill will see you win £££. But it's a long term thing, absolutely pointless to look at stupidly small sample sizes.
Also, try getting it in bad/behind sometimes. Sounds like you might be passing up good spots in order to avoid being eliminated. Obv we don't wanna be KO'ed, but there is always the chance to get there by the river.....
However, the absolute basic of poker is be a raiser not a caller - that gives you TWO ways to win, instead of one. (Villain may fold, or out hand may hold up). Being a caller gives us only one way to win.
That is simple maths, not luck. Do the right things, & let the luck will take care of itself.
Q9 beating my JJ
AJ beating my QQ
A4 beating my AJ
and all with the final six. That saw me go from chip leader to struggler and out. Thanks Sky.
You are right HH. I do fold good spots because I feel I wont make the river, but I will try that.
And Tikay can I ask you a question. I have known the whole "better to win two ways than one" strategy before. My question is if you know the kind of player you are up against who folds to your big bets but tries to bully to your weak bets. If you know you can get him in a situation like a hand above where he only has 3 outs at best, would you not play it weak and hope for an all in to make a call. Or would you still suggest just taking the blinds?
If you can exploit someone through bet sizings then do it, however it could be that you are betting in a manner that's being exploited.
What exactly is ''making the river''?
Recent example just today on my first game
I get AK. I raise from SB and BB calls. Flop comes A Q 6. I raise big. BB calls. the turn is a 3. There is no flush draws on the board. I go all in. BB snap calls and shows 4 7. Can you guess what the river card was? Il give you a clue. I got knocked out.
Instead of sleeping on it, when I lose crazy hands I pull out a real deck and play the same hands again 10 times to see how many times I win or lose it. The conclusion is online poker really isn't the same as a real deal, but then again what site is.
So majority here say to stay aggressive. So does that mean most pockets get all in pushes pre flop?
Another example:
If in a tournament where blinds are high, I am the type to nervously call a raise pre flop with KK, see no ace on the flop and check the flop (if first to act) and wait for another bet to 3 bet or push all in? Good play or bad play in your opinion? If bad play - please say what you would do. And lets say its against a player who is chip leader playing aggressive and playing 50% of their hands (so quite loose or playing a wide range).
Hi Gamer
"What I mean about not making the river is when I have over 10 outs, I wont hit but someone with 3 outs will hit just fine. Especially against me. I dont change my mentality but I do find that I really get the bad end of things"
If I may say so, the problems are in your head. You THINK you get the bad end of things, that's just selective memory at work.
"The conclusion is online poker really isn't the same as a real deal, but then again what site is."
If you think there is a difference between Online poker & what you call "real poker", I'm sorry to say you are wrong. It's just maths, & the maths don't change. Ever. There are no "bent" Online Poker sites. None. Why would there be any, for what purpose or motive?
"Instead of sleeping on it, when I lose crazy hands I pull out a real deck and play the same hands again 10 times to see how many times I win or lose it"
All that does is reinforce in your mind what you believe. 10 hands is utterly meaningless. That "4-7" hand the chap will hit it on the river, ON AVERAGE, in time in 11.
But this is where Variance rears it's two-faced head, & it's variance that makes poker the great game it is, once you learn to embrace it.
Try & replicate that hand by getting a deck of cards & dealing out hands does not work unless you do it 100,000 times. That outcome could come up twice in a row, or not once in 1,000 attempts. That's real poker.
"I am the type to nervously call a raise pre flop with KK, see no ace on the flop and check the flop (if first to act)"
This is subjective, & I'm no expert on NLH, but you are the architect of your own downfall playing Kings like that. Supposing an Ace DOES flop, is Villain guaranteed to have it? He's not, but plenty will rep it. Ask any of the winners here, lads like Matt Bates, & he can have any spanners at all, but will rep that Ace. And you will do the "fit or fold" fold. That's why these kids do so well.
I hope you don't think I'm being over critical - I'm not, I'm trying to help. These problems are in your mind.
Any questions, fire away.
We'll get there, but you need to clear your mind of this "online poker is not real poker" stuff. The maths is the maths is the maths. It's that simple.
Good luck mate.
just smile and except that a lot of the time poker is just a game of luck.
This has to be one of the worst sites for poker. People catch madness. Simple as that. Maths means nothing on this site. 3 outs is as good as having 52 and 15 outs is as good as having 1.
I am sorry I started any debate on this forum page. I will make sure I wont waste my time in the future. I have seen far too much madness against my hands to even bother trying to make sense of it all. This is hands down the worst site for poker.
Lets hope their promotions can keep sucking in players to lose their money. I cant play a single pair of pockets without some magic happening. After losing 3 hands in a row when I was ahead pre flop the final nail in the coffin was QQ vs Q9. Tripes 9's was the end result. That is unreal. A sit n go game where everyone keeps passing on chips until I get involved and lose it all. Players on my table cant even believe it and it keeps happening. So I am not going to change anything about my game. I am not going to let sky's rubbish poker site put doubts in my head about my game. This is not real poker or anywhere close. This is sky bingo with a new name.
To all new players, becareful. You will be told your game needs improving when really this site and how it generates its hands need improve.
And to all the advice. Appreciate it, but you can keep it. This site is no longer my main poker site. Its nothing more than my side chick to raise a little change to keep my sport betting account going. Worst site out!!!