idiots guide

weecheez1

can anybody help me with a easy way to post hands

Phantom66

Use Firefox browser in 2 windows, for both posting in the forum and copying from your hand history.

Seems to work for me.

Mumsie did a video sure he'll post a link if he sees this.

weecheez1

In Response to Re: idiots guide:

Use Firefox browser in 2 windows, for both posting in the forum and copying from your hand history. Seems to work for me. Mumsie did a video sure he'll post a link if he sees this.
Posted by Phantom66

thanks phantom

weecheez1

think i messed up the thread i was trying to post the hand on try it the old fashioned way

  weecheez  6D  AD  5H  9D

  xxx           4S  8S 8H  2S

  flop   7S   5D    3H

  turn   KD

river  7D

not a big pot but i cant figure out why i never got the low hand

Phantom66

Hi cheez.

Just seen your hand in the sit n go strategy section. Can't post in there at the moment as I get a window pop up with your hand in it and it stops me clicking new post. (I suggest you delete all your hand histories and try again with firefos).

There are only 3 low cards on the board 753

You have to play your 6 and A

Your low is a 7 low - 7653A

Your opponent can play their 4 and 2.

Therefore their 7 low is 75432

If you tie on the "highest" low card, the second edit:highest decides who has it and so on.

weecheez1

In Response to Re: idiots guide:

Hi cheez. Just seen your hand in the sit n go strategy section. Can't post in there at the moment as I get a window pop up with your hand in it and it stops me clicking new post. (I suggest you delete all your hand histories and try again with firefos). There are only 3 low cards on the board 753 You have to play your 6 and A Your low is a 7 low - 7653A Your opponent can play their 4 and 2. Therefore their 7 low is 75432 If you tie on the "highest" low card, the second lowest decides who has it and so on.
Posted by Phantom66

thanks again phantom no wonder im losing i was under the impresion that i used the ace and he used the two therefore my hand was lower

Phantom66

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In Response to Re: idiots guide : thanks again phantom no wonder im losing i was under the impresion that i used the ace and he used the two therefore my hand was lower
Posted by weecheez1

The low does take a bit of getting used to. When I started playing I didnt realise a flush or a straight could still be a low.

Plenty of games to turn it round for the 1000 challenge then.

Have you read the PLO8 hints and guides in the forum and in the "Academy" section. 

weecheez1

In Response to Re: idiots guide:

In Response to Re: idiots guide : The low does take a bit of getting used to. When I started playing I didnt realise a flush or a straight could still be a low. Plenty of games to turn it round for the 1000 challenge then. Have you read the PLO8 hints and guides in the forum and in the "Academy" section. 
Posted by Phantom66

im sorry not been drinking but im still puzzled how can a seven low with a two be lower than one with an ace

unknown_username

https://youtu.be/hwc8VzwqiAI

Hi WC. Thats the video.

As for hand advice. I wouldnt bother with  pLO varieties period.

Macacgirl1

weecheez,once you get your head around it, it's very easy to understand.

Hopefully this will help.

Imagine a board 567JK

Your hand is 2399

My hand is A88Q

 

Your low hand is 23567

My low hand is A5678

YOU win the low hand because YOUR low is 7 high.

Although I have an ace, I lose because my low is 8 high.

Geddit?

That's simplifying it, but just remember every low hand must be 5 different cards and the best (winning) low hand is the one

with the smallest value (numerical) of it's highest card.

Irrespective of there being an ace, 7 high always beats 8 high etc.

Tikay10

^^^^^

Cheezy - that's the perfect way to understand it.

You have an 8 low, Villain has the 7 low. 7 low wins.

Tikay10

Cheezy - that thread you started in SNG Strategy - not sure what you did, or how, but it does weird things when it is opened, & it appeared to take us to your (personal) Hand Histories.

I've deleted it, just in case. Due to that peculiar pop-up, which I've never seen before, it was unreadable anyway.

weecheez1

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Cheezy - that thread you started in SNG Strategy - not sure what you did, or how, but it does weird things when it is opened, & it appeared to take us to your (personal) Hand Histories. I've deleted it, just in case. Due to that peculiar pop-up, which I've never seen before, it was unreadable anyway.
Posted by Tikay10

Thanks tk I don't know what I did either lol

weecheez1

In Response to Re: idiots guide:

weecheez,once you get your head around it, it's very easy to understand. Hopefully this will help. Imagine a board 567JK Your hand is 2399 My hand is A88Q   Your low hand is 23567 My low hand is A5678 YOU win the low hand because YOUR low is 7 high. Although I have an ace, I lose because my low is 8 high. Geddit? That's simplifying it, but just remember every low hand must be 5 different cards and the best (winning) low hand is the one with the smallest value (numerical) of it's highest card. Irrespective of there being an ace, 7 high always beats 8 high etc.
Posted by Macacgirl1

Thanks macca the thing that's bothering me is we both have 7 lows he has a low 2 I have a low A 

NoseyBonk

All this highs within the low haha. Not a game to play after a few sherbets!

I'm okay with PLO/NLO, but I've been looking at the '8' variant a little bit after seeing the forum interest in it. Would I be right in thinking the nut-low would be the highest low of 87654?

HENDRIK62

he has 4 and 2 as low cards

you have a 6 as low cards 

his 4 trumps your 6

Tikay10

In Response to Re: idiots guide:

All this highs within the low haha. Not a game to play after a few sherbets! I'm okay with PLO/NLO, but I've been looking at the '8' variant a little bit after seeing the forum interest in it. Would I be right in thinking the nut-low would be the highest low of 87654?
Posted by NoseyBonk

Ha. In a word.....no.

The nut low is A-2-3-4-5. Strictly speaking, that is a "5 low", though it's often called "the wheel". It can win the high, too, actually. Scoopio is the WHOLE idea of the game.  

NoseyBonk

Palm meet face.

I could program in machine code at 14 but this is too much ha

HENDRIK62

So the low works downwards from 8, in this instance it went;

board 753  t K  r 7

his low cards are 4 and 2

your low cards are A and 6

7 6 5 3 A  is your low hand

7 5 4 3 2 is his low hand

So you can see when we work backwards from 8 we hit your card first so you have a worse low

Tikay10

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In Response to Re: idiots guide : Thanks macca the thing that's bothering me is we both have 7 lows he has a low 2 I have a low A 
Posted by weecheez1

This is where the confusion is arising cheezy.

You DON'T both have a 7 low.  (In Maca's example).

You can't duplicate the board cards, & the board contained 5-6-7, & no other low cards. So your 5 is a dead card, it has been counterfeited by the board.
 
So you have 8-A (8 low) & he has 4-2 (7 low).

Are you using - & taking notice of - that "Hand Description" option, which actually TELLS YOU what your best High & Low hand is? It really is very helpful to use that until it becomes instinctive.  

Tikay10

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Palm meet face. I could program in machine code at 14 but this is too much ha
Posted by NoseyBonk

In fact, 4-5-6-7-8 could win the high. In theory, it could win high and low. Or lose both..... 

weecheez1

I know I must be wrong and it has totally scrambled my brain but surely when you are grading a low hand you start from the lowest card if both hands are the same

NoseyBonk

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In Response to Re: idiots guide : In fact, 4-5-6-7-8 could win the high. In theory, it could win high and low. Or lose both.....  
Posted by Tikay10

Just realised I mis-read Macac's post, hence my confusions.

Tikay10

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I know I must be wrong and it has totally scrambled my brain but surely when you are grading a low hand you start from the lowest card if both hands are the same
Posted by weecheez1

No, you count backwards, from the highest down.

I think the point you are missing is this, though - your 5 DOES NOT PLAY, as it is counterfeited by the Board. So you don't have a 5 in your hand, effectively.

3 from the board, 2 from your hand.  

Tikay10

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In Response to Re: idiots guide : Just realised I mis-read Macac's post, hence my confusions.
Posted by NoseyBonk

Easily done, she makes no sense to herself, never mind anyone else. We all ignore her. Or try to.

HENDRIK62

In Response to Re: idiots guide:

In Response to Re: idiots guide : This is where the confusion is arising cheezy. You DON'T both have a 7 low.  (In Maca's example). You can't duplicate the board cards, & the board contained 5-6-7, & no other low cards. So your 5 is a dead card, it has been counterfeited by the board.   So you have 8-A (8 low) & he has 4-2 (7 low). Are you using - & taking notice of - that "Hand Description" option, which actually TELLS YOU what your best High & Low hand is? It really is very helpful to use that until it becomes instinctive.  
Posted by Tikay10

I think you misread Teeks, he does have a 7 low but his lowest hole card is 6 oppo has 4

NoseyBonk

In Response to Re: idiots guide:

In Response to Re: idiots guide : No, you count backwards, from the highest down. I think the point you are missing is this, though - your 5 DOES NOT PLAY, as it is counterfeited by the Board. So you don't have a 5 in your hand, effectively. 3 from the board, 2 from your hand.   
Posted by Tikay10

After reading this (below, from his purpleness) I'd think Weezies hand would win, because his 6 is the 2nd highest (their 2nd highest is a 5). 

There are only 3 low cards on the board 753

You have to play your 6 and A

Your low is a 7 low - 7653A

Your opponent can play their 4 and 2.

Therefore their 7 low is 75432

If you tie on the "highest" low card, the second edit:highest decides who has it and so on.

weecheez1

In Response to Re: idiots guide:

In Response to Re: idiots guide : I think you misread Teeks, he does have a 7 low but his lowest hole card is 6 oppo has 4
Posted by HENDRIK62

My lowest hole card has got to be the ace surely

HENDRIK62

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In Response to Re: idiots guide : After reading this (below, from his purpleness) I'd think Weezies hand would win, because his 6 is the 2nd highest (their 2nd highest is a 5).
Posted by NoseyBonk

7 6 5 3 A  is your low hand (weecheez)

7 5 4 3 2 is his low hand (oppo)

So you can see when we work backwards from 8 we hit your card first so you have a worse low

highlighted cards are each players low hole cards

HENDRIK62

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In Response to Re: idiots guide : My lowest hole card has got to be the ace surely
Posted by weecheez1

i used to make this mistake all the time, it works back from 8 downwards your 'highest' low card plays first

NoseyBonk

In Response to Re: idiots guide:

In Response to Re: idiots guide : 7  6  5 3  A   is your low hand (weecheez) 7 5  4  3  2  is his low hand (oppo) So you can see when we work backwards from 8 we hit your card first so you have a worse low highlighted cards are each players low hole cards
Posted by HENDRIK62

Okay, thank you.

I think I misinterpreted "the second edit:highest decides who has it" 

I interpreted "has it" as wins it.