spin up

fromthebt

Is there any option about opening spin up tables with 5/10 and 10/20 stakes? Im pretty sure a couple of regs would like this idea

DAVEMCDAID

a few of the guys i know have also asked me to enquire about this. i think it would be a good idea. and would attract alot of people.

Tikay10

Morning chaps,

I've sent this Upstairs for comment, & will get back to you today.

Be prepared for a bit of flak from other players about this, as the Spin Up Tables seem to generate very contrasting views. Somehow, I fancy that would not bother either of you, though.

I think my suggestion would be to re-name them "Marmite" Tables.

Thanks for the question.

Itsover4u

I would unlikely play many spin ups at these stakes but have played a little at 2.50 / 5

The one thing I would say the higher the stakes the less the rake would impact the game being beatable.... makes sense to have them

Tikay10

^^^^

Yup, lots of different ways of peeling this particular onion.

I did send the suggestion up to the Office a few days ago, but I've not had a reply yet. Busy, busy, busy........

The_Fishhh

the spin up tables running upto 2/5 have already destrpyed the lower stakes games, if these opened upto 10/20 im sure i wouldnt be the only reg to completely leave the site. The regular mid stakes games just wouldnt run. Doing this would surely be horrific for the longevity of the site , regs leave , recreational players lose their money faster and its not as if tehse games will ever run between just regs like 100bb games do because the rake on them is completely unbeatable. If these are implemented be prepared to see half the mid stakes regulars on the site who consistently make 40k rakeback points per month completely leave and play elsewhere. 

bolly580

This surely cannot happen if sky is to continue to call itself a poker site. The stakes that spin up run at as it is have killed lower stakes action. if 10/20 and 5/10 spin ups were to be introduced it would just kill all midtakes action. 1/3-2/5 just wouldnt run anymore.

Spin up have killed a lot to almost all 100nl/200nl action. You for some reason insist on the spin ups being highlighted in the lobby, also insist on spin ups being present in the regular game tab even though it has its own tab, the reasons for both of these are completely unkown to all regs. Your pushing your spin up cash cow very hard and im sure ur making more than ever from raking your players. The last rake race for example, some of the points totals were ridiculous. 

Just please dont just kill it even more.

pokiepanda

I'm not a big fan of the spin up tables.  I find they generally create an unhealthy atmosphere of ratholing/hit and running which can be frustrating to both regular and recreational players.  I personnally would like to see them all removed but I understand some people enjoy playing them so maybe keeping things how they are would be better?

bolly580

In Response to spin up:

Is there any option about opening spin up tables with 5/10 and 10/20 stakes? Im pretty sure a couple of regs would like this idea
Posted by fromthebt

Agree a few regs would like this. However 10x that amount of regs would heavily oppose it.

sikas

ridiculous suggestion - GTFO

Will kill action on the site, 100-200nl is a wasteland these days

BarryGuns

The 100/200nl games have already died significantly as a direct result of the existing spin ups and this will only make things worse. It's a complete joke that they were ever introduced in the first place.

KingBowl

I hate this idea, the spin up tables already ruin the game of poker massively, turning it basically into roulette and a ridiculous rake trap, sad to see this is the way sky poker is going

fromthebt

I found hilarious reading this statement about game integrity when 90% of sky regs are extremely bumhunters that don´t play any single hand without a 40/x in the table, instant sitting out when the rec lose his money.

Changes like slot limit in hu tables would be much more important than this text about a kind of table

it´s absolutely ridicoulous. It´s like demanding the ban of sngs in order to prevent recs to lose their money there. 

bolly580

In Response to Re: spin up:

I found hilarious reading this statement about game integrity when 90% of sky regs are extremely bumhunters that don´t play any single hand without a 40/x in the table, instant sitting out when the rec lose his money. Changes like slot limit in hu tables would be much more important than this text about a kind of table it´s absolutely ridicoulous. It´s like demanding the ban of sngs in order to prevent recs to lose their money there. 
Posted by fromthebt

Disagree reg on reg action happens a fair amount on sky. Have a look at other sites, ever played on site with scripts? Tell me skys worse than those

DAVEMCDAID

hi guys. i do agree with what saying when thinking about, wasnt really aware how much it killed action in the deeper games. and yes i guess there would be ALOT more regs annoyed at it. i agree also with bolly about the spin ups being in the regular tabs when spin ups has its own. bit silly. 

GagginKs

Medstakes dies... You trade regs - guys who pay rake day in day out - for the odd punter who may leave the site after he gets screwed. Seems like a terrible idea for nearly everyone involved, except maybe 5 people.

alex1229

I have to admit, 5/10 10/20 is bit excessive, at least for me anyway. However reading all these guys come in putting on an innocent facade when theyre the worst for bum hunting is just hilarious watchinng the these guys queue in desperation when a whale joins 10/20 - give me a break. Stop acting as if you give a flying f about the future of sky or poker, you just give a toss about your br, and as some of the recs have moved else where and you cant adapt suddenly you pipe up here. 

Just be honest as to why you dont want them to exist, stop this bs about the future of sky, as im pretty sure they probably had one of their best months in a long time.

bolly580

In Response to Re: spin up:

I have to admit, 5/10 10/20 is bit excessive, at least for me anyway. However reading all these guys come in putting on an innocent facade when theyre the worst for bum hunting is just hilarious watchinng the these guys queue in desperation when a whale joins 10/20 - give me a break. Stop acting as if you give a flying f about the future of sky or poker, you just give a toss about your br, and as some of the recs have moved else where and you cant adapt suddenly you pipe up here.  Just be honest as to why you dont want them to exist, stop this bs about the future of sky, as im pretty sure they probably had one of their best months in a long time.
Posted by alex1229

If you had the money and talent youd be right in there with them so dont act like you wouldnt.

alex1229

In Response to Re: spin up:

In Response to Re: spin up : If you had the money and talent youd be right in there with them so dont act like you wouldnt.
Posted by bolly580

Haha sums you up tbh, aside from you being a idiot you missed what i was saying, just cut the bs and be honest, stop this nonsense about it hurting sky and say its ruining ur own games.

Aside from that you should just hush up a bit, instead of getting personal to me and stick to your to your 50p games

bolly580

Sums me up? you know me personally? 

Anyway.

The spin ups have killed 100/200nl. I dont expect you to know this as you never play those games. Anyone who knows anything about poker will know itl kill the 1/3 and 2/5 games, probably the 5/10 too. The people who know but just dont want to admit it, are BT as he's after more points and maybe the chance of a shot at that same whale, hoping with bigger spin up limits he will give them a shot, and sky as they will want more players raking more points to give them more money.

Also nobody got personal with you, this is info you disclosed all by yourself

"I have to admit, 5/10 10/20 is bit excessive, at least for me anyway."  

"Your 50p games" rofl. Because your unbeatable 1/3 spin up is a much better way to earn cash right?

FeelGroggy

As a neutral I think this is an interesting discussion. I imagine most the people commenting make their living playing poker, so of course there input is going to be motivated by self interest, I don't think that's a problem. Imo a bit unneccassary to resort to straight criticising someone's ability just because they're right Bolly.

I would imagine the weaker players who sit at the top limits and allow these games to run would rather gamble it up at a 10/20 spin up if given the option. I guess it depends on whether Sky values the high stakes cash regs more or the spin up regs + recreational players ability to choose what they want to play- likely the spin ups This might severely damage the volume of the high stakes cash games.

Also as an aside of course people who play poker for profit are going to only play with weaker players there. There's no value in battling other regs. If I was to play cash now I wouldn't sit at a table where I'd be a long term loser/ breakeven player.

 I think on balance it seems reasonable to leave it as it is, where the spin up regs and high stake cash regs are kept moderately happy instead of weighting it too much in favour of the spin up regs. I think introducing these would disillusion too many high stakes regs, although It would be quite entertaining railing a 10/20 spin up table :-) As someone with no vested interest in this I thought maybe my opinion could be a little bit helpful.

bolly580

FWIW saying somone doesnt have the talent to sit at the tables with UNLV, 9Bob and Tamas is barely a critisism 

FeelGroggy

In Response to Re: spin up:

FWIW saying somone doesnt have the talent to sit at the tables with UNLV, 9Bob and Tamas is barely a critisism 
Posted by bolly580

Might have miscontrued your comment then, apologies.

THEGRID

I have to agree with The_Fishhhh etc that these games would hugely impact traditional 100bb cash games and ultimately lead to most regular players having to leave the site and play elsewhere. The site is already struggling with regards to NL100-2k games and would be a shame to kill them off completely by introducing spin-ups. As for highlighting the spin ups in the lobby in order to encourage people to play a game where they will pay more rake, this seems not only unfair to players who want to play traditional cash games, but also slightly unethical.

Tikay10

The question has not been forgotten, & I re-sent the thread up yesterday (Sunday) in the light of additional feedback.

bolly580

Thanks tikay

Tikay10

YW Bolly.

All the pros & cons are understood, & they will look at it properly before making their decision.

Sky_JP

I'll be keeping my own opinion to myself on this one, as it's a bit irrelevant, but I can see both sides of the argument.

There is an option to add higher stakes spin ups - we are aware of that.

If they're introduced, it will be after very careful consideration, reviewing analysis on the current set-up.

It's not something I'm in a position to say, "Yes we'll do that", or, "No we won't".

I appreciate this can be a touchy subject, but can everyone keep it pleasant, or at least non-personal, please.

Cheers,

JP.

OnlySmells

I left pokerstars a year ago because of their pushing of similar bingo like formats. Spin ups have absolutely annihilated the health of the games, i'm not complaining on a personal level either, there are lots of regulars that have been affected hard but not myself. However when i first joined Sky the games from 50-200 were very much alive and there were a lot more regulars which have now left. The reason i'm complaining is because it seems like most of sky's loyal players that put in volume are regular cash players, yet spin ups get highlighted and advertised, which forces loyal regulars like myself to have to sit every day with a lack of action when i can see spin ups running always where there are 5 recreational players and 1 ambitious regular, there are a lot of us who are trying to start games by battling with each other day in day out but when there's 3 tables running we're going to be forced to look elsewhere for this lack of action. 

When people click on Sky poker instead of bingo, casino or whatever, they want to play poker, spins ups are infinitely more like bingo or a slot machine then they are poker, but everyone knows that except the recreational players, if the all the same recreational players that are currently playing these unbeatable spin formats came to sky poker and couldn't be drawn in to these or better still couldn't play them at all, they aren't going to simply not deposit money and pay rake and play poker, they would sit down at a 10nl table, a 20nl table or whatever and the ecosystem from 4nl to 1000nl would inevitably improve for the majority. 

WotMalluDo

Great idea if you want to kill off the midstakes games. 

Donttelmum

I'm feeling the effect at lower stakes games aswell.  From a personal level I don't like them.  Trying to look from a neutral point of view, I still don't like them.  I do appreciate some players do.

I really don't see why they need to be highlighted.

I wonder what Tikay thinks?