BAD ETIQUETTE, AGAINST THE RULES, OR FAIR ENOUGH?

weecheez1

Hard one this showing a hand to create an image then not being happy when someone else points out something else you are doing I don't show anything mainly because it would backfire on me and it would mean messing with the settings then all he'll would break out 

FeelGroggy

Interesting. I think if you retaliated it just validates his comments. I usually just respond with some rubbish like 'i only 3bet queens better' or 'It was either 3bet or fold'. If you commented saying 'DON'T BLUFF x PLAYER HE CALLS REALLY LIGHT, your giving information away about their game, which would be unfair. It makes no sense for him to share this information with the table if the player is still in the tournament, it surely makes more sense to exploit your  perceived wide 3betting range by 4betting light for example. Not against the rules, but imo falls into 'bad etiquette'. I disagree that it's a 'non-issue' as some have said it is. I think it's a reasonable question. 

aussie09

i had something similar live in an SPT in Dublin.

3 Irish players, known to each other, were on the table.  By the river, one was still in the hand with me.  I had called every street.  On the river, he raised and I shoved all-in.

The guy tanked.  His two friends started to say things like, "it doesn't make any sense".   The three of them had a conversation about this.

I felt that was wrong for the two others to comment.

I didn't say anything.  He folded after 5 minutes.  He asked what I had, I didn't say.  Even at the break.

I don't play many events live, so I am guessing that was not correct.

Some might recall my newbie mistakes too.  In Dublin, there were some memorable ones.  I had quad Kings and wanted to re-raise but threw one big chip.  Another briilaint moment was when I waited for a player to my right to bet and waited motionless for 10 minutes as I heard the TD count the clock down on him.  I didn't realise he had folded a long time before and everyone was waiting for me.

To round off the story...  I had a flight back to Edinburgh and had to leave at 6pm to get to Dublin Airport in time.  I also had a second flight pre-booked too, for the next morning but no hotel for that night.  The only other person who knew what was happening was Tikay.  My decision was actually only to do with not wanting to sleep in the airport overnight.  So I was re-raise shoving with an awful lot.

And just to add, I cashed.  I even took chips off Julian Thew in one hand.  I slept on a chair in McDonalds at Dublin Airport and caught the 7am flight home.



 

StayOrGo

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A good friend of mine, Steve Jelenik, won a WSOP bracelet at PLO8 (& a quarter of a milly $$) back in 2010. 2 years later, he & I shared a PLO table at the Wynn Summer Classic. Steve makes some very unorthodox plays, & several at the table started dissing Steve. Steve, as was his habit, said nothing, took no notice.  The dissing continued, & he was a friend, so I did what I thought was the right thing - I defended him by telling the table he was a WSOP Bracelet Winner, so a little more respect was in order.   At the next break, Steve came across to me & said "thanks for nothing, Tony".   "Eh, what's up Steve?" "You blew my cover, Tony - nobody knew who I was, I was creating an image & you destroyed it by telling them I won a Bracelet". I felt pretty bad, & after that, I always kept schtum in those spots.     
Posted by Tikay10

Thanks for the feedback TK.

Interesting story about Steve Jelenik. So I think we're saying, it's not against the rules but probably is bad etiquette and in general it is advisable to keep knowledge of your opponents to oneself.

I didn't respond at the time, as I try to refrain from escalatory behaviour. However, I was genuinely interested and unsure of the ruling.

I have received a PM from BarrattG1 apologising, so he's clearly a good guy, and I have much respect for how he has responded. I'm sure there was no attempt to gain an edge, and I believe he will be more considerate/aware in these situations in the future.

Clearly perception of playing styles on FT's is very important, and perhaps keeping one's knowledge to oneself is best for you and the opponent concerned. Most people know how I play, but sometimes there are "new" people on the table that may take a little while to work this out.

Thanks all, for the feedback, even the Drama Queen one lol. GL in your games :=)

StayOrGo

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i had something similar live in an SPT in Dublin. 3 Irish players, known to each other, were on the table.  By the river, one was still in the hand with me.  I had called every street.  On the river, he raised and I shoved all-in. The guy tanked.  His two friends started to say things like, "it doesn't make any sense".   The three of them had a conversation about this. I felt that was wrong for the two others to comment. I didn't say anything.  He folded after 5 minutes.  He asked what I had, I didn't say.  Even at the break. I don't play many events live, so I am guessing that was not correct. Some might recall my newbie mistakes too.  In Dublin, there were some memorable ones.  I had quad Kings and wanted to re-raise but threw one big chip.  Another briilaint moment was when I waited for a player to my right to bet and waited motionless for 10 minutes as I heard the TD count the clock down on him.  I didn't realise he had folded a long time before and everyone was waiting for me. To round off the story...  I had a flight back to Edinburgh and had to leave at 6pm to get to Dublin Airport in time.  I also had a second flight pre-booked too, for the next morning but no hotel for that night.  The only other person who knew what was happening was Tikay.  My decision was actually only to do with not wanting to sleep in the airport overnight.  So I was re-raise shoving with an awful lot. And just to add, I cashed.  I even took chips off Julian Thew in one hand.  I slept on a chair in McDonalds at Dublin Airport and caught the 7am flight home.  
Posted by aussie09

This is against the rules in most casinos. Players not involved in the hand, should not discuss the hand in progress. Love the "clock" story :=)

Darkangel7

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