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Not much of a hi-lo player myself but find the game intriguing and super fun. Enjoying the diary keep it up
@FeelGroggy Thanks and yes it is a tough juggling act! I don't usually employ the strategy you mentioned but as I have been back playing poker for the last 6 weeks or so I have been gravitating towards that approach
I think I was on a table with you tonight? Might have been the £55 B/H I got a bit distracted during that one though and wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been.
Good luck to you with the exams over the next couple of weeks!
Update on today/tonight's session incoming...
Roll on the summer & Vegas etc!
It is a bit of a watershed day for me, I started playing regularly on Sky about 6 weeks ago (as mentioned since 2-3 years ago I had taken a break from playing full time to try and get something solid behind me via education before hopefully returning to poker after uni). The 'problem' is when I started playing here simply to have a pop at snagging a Vegas package I enjoyed the site, the OH8 community, the forum and the warm welcome so much that I decided I would try and play a lot more poker again and still balance it with uni. The last 6 weeks have however been a juggling act though as due to uni winding up for the summer there was a lot of work due which was distracting me from my poker endeavours
Onto tonights session...
Well due to the factors above I decided to play mostly MTT's rather than DYM's as I could commit more time tonight.
I did play 1 £11 OH8 DYM and managed to cash in that but then moved to the MTT's
Played the following...
£5.50 £100 guaranteed PLO8
£5.50 £2.5k guaranteed Mini Bounty Hunter
£11 £1k guaranteed Bounty Hunter
£33 £8k guaranteed Bounty Hunter
£55 £2.5k guaranteed Bounty Hunter
The £5.50 PLO8 didn't go well but I bumped into Arez_One (a good friend via poker of almost 10 years who I hadn't played with for years) so that was good!
The £55 B/H didn't go great either. I was quite distracted at times in it, didn't run great and just didn't get into it.
It was a similar story with the £11 B/H
The £5.50 mini B/H and the £33 B/H went a bit better though and I managed to make both final tables and collect a reasonable amount of bounties.
I didn't run too good on the final tables though and finished 4/478 in the Mini B/H and 6/298 in the £33 B/H.
Still about £370 up for the night which I am very happy with!
Also made a whole £1 playing spin ups this morning and about £37 for placing in the weekly Mayhem Freerolls leaderboard.
I will post my bust out hand from the £33 at the end of this post and if anyone has any thoughts on it then all comments are very welcome. To be honest I haven't thought much about it yet as it has been a long day with exams etc but I will consider if I could/should have done anything different tomorrow.
As ever thanks for reading, it is appreciated and GL @ the tables!
The bust out hand...
I think when the BTN calls here and I have just under 20 BBs on that flop OOP it is always going to get pretty messy.
This was only hand 1 or 2 at the FT and I think I had bust the 7th place finisher so half the players hadn't seen how I had been standard opening. The 3x open wasn't 'really' to do with hand strength but more position and stack sizes. Rightly or wrongly (always happy to consider points the discussion helps everyone consider new angles) I thought that it being folded to me in 1 before the cut off a 3x might look like I really did not want action here and was 'stealing'. I thought this might encourage a lot of ranges I dominate to just shove on my 19BB stack, especially given that the SB & BB were the big stacks and there were bounties involved. I felt that by them looking at 22.5k chips in the middle preflop, considering they have plenty chips behind they may decide to jam on me quite wide with stuff like JQ /> & Ax which given the payout structure and 19 BBs I was happy to get involved with. I thought if I open for 2x - 2.3x they may be more inclined to just flat call, possibly play a tricky pot post flop and maybe not get maximum value from the hand.
So it was really for me about attempting to induce a shove from the big stacks in the blinds to get maximum value out of the hand.
P.S. I always try to not alter my preflop bet sizing based solely on hand strength but am more than happy to alter it due to position, stack sizes and other table dynamics.
Thanks, can I ask what the Final Table Jackpot win is? Think I have vaguely heard of it but cannot recall *blushes*.
Twitter is @Marky_Crash
Edit: I googled, remember reading this but had forgetten about it.
Thanks again!
Re-arrange this word to describe yourself.
Boxluck
Is it lockbux?
I do feel a bit like one today, £100 up and I haven't played yet
Thanks Kirsty/Sky!
PLO8 DYM-ers might note a new addition to the Lobby this morning - £16.50 games.
oioi
Also, an £11 PLO DYM has been added.
Enjoying the diary so far, always nice to read the thoughts of more advanced players on how hands play out and the reasoning behind taking what on the face of it are non-standard lines. Although I won't pretend to understand much (any?) of the PLO8 discussion. Think I've missed the boat on that one now with the growing player pool of quite decent regs that Sky has built up. Steep learning curve to swim from nothing to competent in those shark infested waters.
GL with your completing your Uni work and all the best at the tables.
That is great news Tikay, lets hope we can get a few of them running!
@Hendrik
Another good question which really depends on who is on the BTN.
If it was a tight player who wasn't getting out of line and unlikely to reraise with a wide range then I would generally standard cbet and hope to take the pot. If I am flatted again then it would be time to re-evaluate what I thought they were holding and if they were likely to fold to continued pressure.
Against other players who were spewy I might check/shove to get more value out of the hand if I really thought they had bricked the flop/were trying to pounce on any weakness shown or had a weak holding I could shake them off. There would be the option to float here too and try and get more information but any floats would have to consider the stack sizes carefully obviously.
Against a more skilled player who is aware that I probably bricked the flop and might just shove widely on me if I cbet due to the stack sizes then I might check with the intention of floating when/if they bet the flop and see what they do on the turn and try and take the pot then by putting them to a decision or if they continue with their line I would try and re-evaluate where I was at. (Almost the same situation with A9o versus someone known on here so I won't include names happened recently and the float worked).
So many options it really depends on the opponent.
What are your general thoughts be on how to proceed with the hand?
Well the first losing night for quite a few nights (minimal loss and I guess every night cannot be a winning night).
Tried the new £16.50 DYM's and got off to a good start winning the first 2. Was playing MTTs though and then lost the next 2 £16.50's and a £11. To be honest I think I need to play just MTT's or if I don't have loads of time then just play the DYM's. Trying to play both MTT's & SNGs at NLHE and OH8 at the same time just seems to make one or the other suffer.
Played around 5 MTT's £5.50 B/H, £11 NLHE Turbo, £22 BH, £55 speed B/H and the £55 £2.5k guaranteed B/H.
Collected some bounties to make any losses minimal (about £60 down on the night) but didn't cash in any.
The £55 £2.5k BH was very frustrating. I had a nice stack pretty much from the beginning down to 9 players left (6 get paid). I had one player I had noted as making some large bluffs on the river and got tangled in a couple of pots and ended up folding. Their bet sizing was oddly large in general. I eventually found a spot versus them with QKo on a Q55 flop and due to the history with them and the range I had them on I was not folding but they had KK... Then lost a race with Q9s v 88 to bust in 8th.
Felt it just didn't go well but was frustrated and I see a few things I could have done differently as I liked my table draw and had much easier pickings at the table which I should have been focussing on!
Ah well can't win them all, will try and draw any lessons from tonight's games, get a sleep and bounce back into it tomorrow
On the plus side...
Cashed in the Mayhem freeroll and took around 10 bounties so another couple of decent runs in that could mean a reasonable cash in the weekly leaderboard. I know Chiggy is doing extremely well in it which will probably become evident after tomorrow's update and I hope she snags the package as she was very unlucky HU in the VLV freeroll.
Also got my flights booked for Vegas in July and when this morning's unexpected £100 Jackpot bonus for final tabling the main and the mini yesterday is considered I am actually in profit since this morning.
I will leave with one pot which might look ridiculous on the surface but at least had some logic behind it. Hopefully it will spark a little discussion whether it is 'Mark your a donk' or 'WP' lol.
I had just been moved to this table the previous hand and then on my second hand at the table I am in the BB with 3/7o. It folds to the BTN who standard raises for 2.5BBs to 1000. As I had just been moved table I wanted to try and let them know I wouldn't be pushed around and want to see if they would let me push them around so I decide to 3bet. I make it 3k just hoping to get the fold but he flat calls and comes along. I hit bottom pair on the flop and didn't feel his flop bet was strong so I decide to flat call and see what he does on the turn. I check and he checks behind which kind of reaffirms he wasn't too strong on the flop. The river is a 6 which doesn't really change anything and I feel there are a lot hands in his opening range that are now complete air and he may feel he has to bet the river to have any chance of taking the pot. I therefore decide to check/call the river and my read is correct and I win the pot. He seemed a bit confused at my holdings and had a few comments in chat...
Hopefully the hand will divide opinion
Thanks for reading and GL @ the tables!
@Phantom... Certainly Phantom, would be more than happy to! I will have a catch up on your thread after my session tonight and post any thoughts
I will also try and post a few more PLO8 orientated hands in here in the near future as I know a load of those who comment in the thread play more PLO8 than NLHE.
I did feel it was 'possible' I was beat on the river but I also thought there were complete air hands I was beating (as pointed out by the ranges you mention) and almost 5/1 on the river was an easy call. I would place his 3bet flat range a little wider than you mention to often include a lot of AX hands that completely missed too so I didn't feel it was as thin as AJ AQ JQ.
P.S. Regarding the point made by Phantom about having a little more equity when defending. I agree obviously but in this exact spot I wasn't really just looking to defend. I was hoping to try and dictate the pace at a new table and try and find out what I could get away with. If it was a regular spot I would agree completely with you and probably just fold 'most' of the time (obviously there would be exceptions as there always are in poker
Appreciate the replies folks! Some very good and interesting points