----Highs Lows & Scoopio's---- whats the approach to an 800/1600 blind level

Chris_Mc

Good stuff, Chris, it's been great to see you play so well this week, and more importantly, seem to enjoy it so much. That's the whole key to poker - enjoying it. The forum suggests many just don't get that.

I'll be along later this afternoon for a session - got to watch the F1 GP first, then have a quick nap, after that, I'm booked for a full session.

Chris_Mc

Hello all,  Been a while since ive been able to get back into playing on SKY. 

was a reguler player with sky playing a mix of games, cash dym's deep stacks BH's and had a diary before which i just lost track of really when not being able to play. Having now settled into my new home and the arriuval of my second daughter, i feel its time to get back into playing on a more regular basis.

The only major difference now is im not playing NLH, ive decided to try my luck at PLO8. It is a game i just love at the minute and started playing a little of it before i stopped playing. and just recently over the past couple of weeks finf myself just wanting to play this format.

I would still class myself as a beginer as i still have lots to learn i think.

I have been recording my games on a spreadsheet and hopefully maintain it and watch how i go.

I am starting this diary here hopefully to learn more about it and people to help me on my way with advice and help.

I dont have a record of the exact amount i played as im not very good with sharkscope.... besides it's prob best, if i dont know anyway lol.

for tha past week or so my games look like this,

PLO8 DYMWONLOSTPLAYED 0.601 1 1.15    2.25516 3.3019625 5.50 11 TOTAL25833

 

 

I feel this has been a good start and time will tell if just running good or  im doing things right,  as i say i still class myself as beginer and there are no dought leaks in my play.

So after each game or night i play ill update my table and if come accorss any hands im unsure about ill post them on this. Same goes for anyone else who has any questions or would like to post hands feel free as it can only help me.

i dont have a huge bankroll, probally the only reason ive only played 1 £5.50 to date but feel fairly comfortable at the £3.30 and below.

well, of to reg for a game or two and see how long before they get going.

Chris_Mc

You are probally right there chilling, will prob be end up posting the majority lol.

Just going to reg one or two games for now whilst watching star trek, think the new films have been great so watching the first one again while i play,

the im off out for a pool match at 6.30 it a doubles game hopfully chalk up a win there.

then it will be home and get orgaised for work tomorrow.

markycash

Good luck Chris

Chris_Mc

managed a few games today before pool and after. still got a few wins so happy mainly the way things are going

so far the first 40 games complete and stats are...

PLO8 DYMWONLOSTPLAYED0.601 11.151 12.256173.30228305.50 11TOTAL301040

Darkangel7

Thought it said scorpio's :S

Well done Chris, keep up the good work.

Tikay10

What a superb thread title, Chris. WP.

Chris_Mc

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Thought it said scorpio's :S Well done Chris, keep up the good work.
Posted by Darkangel7

No, SCOOPIO... a phrase to say when u win both low and high pot..... if u dont allready know that is. well...... i think thats what it is anyway lol as its quite new to me as well.

Although u must be carefull when you use it as some people dont take it too kindly lol. Refer to tikays thread in recent posts lol.

i just Felt it had a niCe ring to it for the thread/diary title, not just describing the game but guessing my moods as well as i think there will be plenty of high and low moments when playing this game. hopefully more highs though and hopefully plenty posts about ..........

SCOOPIO'S!!!!

Chris_Mc

So small update on how things are going, not played as many games in last couple of days, been busy with new job position, new daughter and when i get a chance playin this new game lol. Lots of new's.  But enjoying all of them.

New postion at work is different from what i was doing before, but it a new challeng and hopefully it works out.  I work for a training company and have done since leaving the Army in 2010, started of as hgv instructor then was trained up on other aspects from forklifts to HIAB'S to CPC classroom based courses.  Then last year was givinn a new rolas an SVQ/NVQ Assesor, dealing with modern apprecticeships in Driving Goods Vehicles and Warehousing. Was a great and refreshing change and its great to be able to do all these different things.  Then a couple of weeks ago was asked again if i fancied a change and to take on a new role, I dont like saying no to challenges so accepted.  The new role is selling the svq's... i say sell they are free.. the hard part is to get new and companies that are interested in investing in their staff.. thats the hard part. But so far so good and hopefully works out as i am enjoying the role......Anyone reading this in the transport and logistic buisness in scotland.. dont be scraed to get in touch .

Anyway onto the PLO8, one hand to discuss, was lat night in a £3.30, its not aimed at anyones play other than my own, it was on the bubble so 4 remaining and so far ive found so far picking your spots at this point is a massive part of plo8. and its normally aroun 300/600 and we dont like limping, i need to be carefull when im getting my stack in, even if im going for the steal i like to have a decent holding in my hand.  Now churchy was running riot if i remeber building a nice big stack and i was up and down like a yo yo, a high pot her... a low pot there..... just surviving.  the hand im goin to post is where 3 of us get it in and i come 4th and game ends. Should i be getting my stack in here or just fold and hope big stack calls and takes it...........

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Chris_Mc	Small blind		300.00	300.00	1395.00
churchy18	Big blind		600.00	900.00	6110.00
	Your hole cards	K 3 Q A
tikay1	All-in		1815.00	2715.00	0.00
gerardirl	Fold
Chris_Mc	All-in		1395.00	4110.00	0.00
churchy18	Call		1215.00	5325.00	4895.00
Chris_Mc	Show	K 3 Q A
churchy18	Show	K 10 2 3
tikay1	Show	4 7 A Q
Flop
		Q 8 J
Turn
		A
River
		6
churchy18	Win high	Straight to the Ace	2662.50		7557.50
churchy18	Win low	8-low	2662.50		10220.00

Darkangel7

Didn't have my glasses on Chris and it was rather late or should I say early in the morning when I read it :'D

FCHD

I certainly wouldn't be calling one of Tikay's all-ins with that hand, I'd need at least the ace to be suited or the 3 to be a 2 to call him.

Chris_Mc

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I certainly wouldn't be calling one of Tikay's all-ins with that hand, I'd need at least the ace to be suited or the 3 to be a 2 to call him.
Posted by FCHD

I defo agree to an extent, FCHD, I'd prefer the 2 or suited ACE, but it this point in the game  900 in the middl;e is a massive help to tikays stack, and makes it in my opinion an opertunity to raise to take the pot as it is but he will do with less than an A2 or off suited ace, which to me improves my hand enoiugh to et my stack in too.. 

well at least thats what i told myself, also im not sure if churchy is calling, and i might not see another hand as strong before the blinds are back again.

Phantom66

I can see why you would consider folding, especially after the way the hand played out.

To avoid personalising the answer I will assume random players as UTG and BB.

Imo you are well enough ahaed of the initial UTG all-in (with only 3 bigs and in the BB next their range is pretty wide) to call with that hand and especially with 300 already invested.

It would be an easier decision to make without a hand to act behind you, especially when it's the big stack with a BB invested.

In this spot, if you fold eirther UTG gets a free 1.5 Bigs, or BB calls and either doubles them up, busts them or splits for a small gain. UTGs range would be ahead of the caller here.

As played you had 40% equity vs two players with 30% so got your chips in good. You would have had 60% equity v UTG only had BB folded making it a good call.

I would have thought your hand v UTG range is even better equity than that, UTG could have worse to shove with on there are not many hands in the deck that have you dominated, especially with your AK3 blockers.

You would think quite a likely scenario if you call is BB folds and leaves you two to it which is good for you.

Generally on the bubble with blinds that big we have to take more chances, our ranges open considerably and our shoving ranges widen quicker than our calling ranges. Stack dynamics v BB are so important. Notes on players ranges in these spots and personal history make a big difference too as there is a relatively small PLO8 pool so you see the same players more often.

There are some BB who would fold every hand there whether you called or not. There are others who would call every time whether you called or not. 

There is an added dimension to knowing who UTG and BB are but it's only fair to them (and my own efforts on note taking) to not discuss that here.

pompeynic

Hi Chris

I wish I could figure out how to post hands, so well done with that to start.

I will give you my view, not that I know if others will agree or disagree, but I would like to discuss more hands with the ploppers , so here goes.

I would be folding here, you still have fourteen hundred chips and even if it gets folded behind by the big stack, that is still playable. As Barney states, Tikay's raises are normally going to be very well balanced with an ace suited and or both high and low covered, normally not always, we all have to push a little light occasionally, but here he has 1800 chips, so, I would be surprised if he turns up with spanners. Tony also says that it is better to be a raiser rather than a caller but all situations are different.

 I am not up with odds etc, I wish I was, but I would be hoping the big stack will call and not trying to be smart after the fact, but I would think he would be for two reasons, even if he looses he will still have five thousand chips and with the chance of knocking the other player out and therefore winning the game he is likely to call with any four cards within reason.

Now I would also add that you have had to make this decision in a pressure situation, when the clock seems to run out so quickly compared to the earlier levels and this is something I need to get better at.

I will be interested to read what others think.

Nick

Chris_Mc

some great advive, thank you for gettin back,

didnt think the names through, prob should have edited them, wasnt thinking as it was my own play at interest, so apologies for leaving them in and mentioning them.  hope you dont mind.

Chris_Mc

As with the hands nic, i had to remind myself,

as long as you do it through internet explorer you should be ok,  so i open up 2 skypoker pages, one for forum and the other for hand histories. if you copy and paste through I/E OR EDGE  its called now i think you should be ok.

Phantom66

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some great advive, thank you for gettin back, didnt think the names through, prob should have edited them, wasnt thinking as it was my own play at interest, so apologies for leaving them in and mentioning them.  hope you dont mind.
Posted by Chris_Mc

I dont mind and doubt Tikay/Churchy would either tbh.

I just didnt want to elaborate on how my thinking would change knowing who they were and to illustrate the point that especially in marginal spots like this it really does depend on what you think UTG shoving range is and BB calling range as to whether the fold is the better option.

Of course in a dym the mentality is about survival, no added prizes for the biggest stack so less need to take risks calling.

A fold is not a big mistake here, Still a debate to be had as to whether it is a mistake at all. I would also factor in the fact that big stack is to your left making it harder for you to get your shoves through.

PS Welcome to Ploppsville and GL with the diary.

Chris_Mc

In Response to Re: ----Highs Lows & Scoopio's----:

In Response to Re: ----Highs Lows & Scoopio's---- : I dont mind and doubt Tikay/Churchy would either tbh. I just didnt want to elaborate on how my thinking would change knowing who they were and to illustrate the point that especially in marginal spots like this it really does depend on what you think UTG shoving range is and BB calling range as to whether the fold is the better option. Of course in a dym the mentality is about survival, no added prizes for the biggest stack so less need to take risks calling. A fold is not a big mistake here, Still a debate to be had as to whether it is a mistake at all. I would also factor in the fact that big stack is to your left making it harder for you to get your shoves through. PS Welcome to Ploppsville and GL with the diary.
Posted by Phantom66

I think im going to like it ploppsville, seem to be doing quite well.... alot better than nlh thats is for sure. i dont ever remember having a run like this on them,,, mabye because i played all different varients of it im not sure.

i think the majority of the plo8 players are on the forum and seem to be very easy to get on with, very rarely seen any bother in the chatbox. so for now ill definatley be sticking around fore plo8 and probally only plo8.

Chris_Mc

Again only a few games played tonight, gonna head off and sort some stuff for tomorrow,

More than happy the way things are going still. BR is going up everynight, albeit slightly but im not caring. only a few days ago i was down to £12, its now hit over £50 mark, and thats just on the DYM'S only.

I never thought id say it but i have no intention of reging a NLH game and its weird to type that as i love the game, but having so much fun with this and seems to be going well im just going to keep plodding along hoopefully with same results coming in.

I would like to play some mtts, but think ill stick with £1.10 ones and just keep with the one table as i think 2 will throw me off.

hopwfully the BR will increae and ill mabye start playing 1 or 2 £5.50 games but dont have a target in mind yet to really think about bashing anything higher than the £3.30's seem to be having a good run in them as i will post the table below.

well ill mabye see some of you at the tables tomorrow or mabye get 1 game in before bed.

PLO8 DYM	WON	LOST	PLAYED
0.60	1		1
1.15	1		1
2.25	6	1	7
3.30	26	9	35
5.50		1	1
TOTAL	34	11	45

HENDRIK62

Great to see some new diaries popping up. 

As you may or may not know Chris I have a real love hate relationship with Hi Lo :-) 

At the moment I am on one of my regular sabbaticals :-)

I think I am pretty much echoing the thoughts of Phantom here TBH, however;

I will try and be objective here, but knowing both players styles its difficult.

UTG is about to be in the blinds and that costs him a 1/3rd of his stack.

You have good equity against his range, at this stage it should be relatively wide.

Fly in the ointment is BB, he has chips to spare and should call if he has any equity.

You are in a tough spot as you will have little to no fold equity if you lay this down, so you will need to find a hand or get lucky before you hit the blinds.

If we know the BB will call, maybe you can fold here but I am not sure it is the correct play.

I think I would have played it the same way, closed my eyes and crossed my fingers.

ajmilton

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Great to see some new diaries popping up.  As you may or may not know Chris I have a real love hate relationship with Hi Lo :-)  At the moment I am on one of my regular sabbaticals :-) I think I am pretty much echoing the thoughts of Phantom here TBH, however; I will try and be objective here, but knowing both players styles its difficult. UTG is about to be in the blinds and that costs him a 1/3rd of his stack. You have good equity against his range, at this stage it should be relatively wide. Fly in the ointment is BB, he has chips to spare and should call if he has any equity. You are in a tough spot as you will have little to no fold equity if you lay this down, so you will need to find a hand or get lucky before you hit the blinds. If we know the BB will call, maybe you can fold here but I am not sure it is the correct play. I think I would have played it the same way, closed my eyes and crossed my fingers.
Posted by HENDRIK62

Ha Ha, Hendo lad, your plo8 strategy revealed. Knew it.

( just make a note of that, eyes and fingers crossed)

Hi Chris, welcome back to plo8

glad to hear you are enjoying it.

The hand in question ...you did nothing wrong

got your chips in good, just unlucky with BB coming in with chips to spare.

You could have folded, and hoped to hit a bigger hand later. (or blind out, big no no )

or the flop could have been Q Q K (then you would not have posted HH)

Don't sweat it, carry on enjoying the game, your doing ok mate.

I may even start my own diary, just to keep myself on track.

I've been a bad boy br wise, the last couple of months.

I'll give myself till Sunday, if the thread's not up by then, it won't happen.

Regards Alan (plo8 champ)

Tikay10

I thought the hand that Chris posted was really very interesting, as were the various replies. I remember the hand vividly, more than any other hand I've played in the last 3 or 4 days, & I play some 30 to 35 games per night, but not for the reasons you might think. More on that later.

As it happens, I think both Chris & myself played the hand correctly. Remember, when we are short stacked, & the blinds are big, the parameters & ranges change significantly.

The dynamic was quite odd - one player had half the chips, the other 3 of us - Ger (who wisely got out of the way) Chris & I had the other 6,000 chips between us.
 
Blinds were 300-600, & within 1 minute of going 400-800. 

I had 1,815 chips I think , & was in the blinds the next 2 hands. So I'm ALMOST forced to jam here, & my range can be, literally, anything. I happened to have a nice balanced hand, A-Q-7-4. It's VERY unlikely I can turn up with a hand this strong in this spot. It's a complete no-brainer for me to shove here, & I'm loving life.
 
Chris had 1,395 behind, plus his 300 in the SB. He had A-K-Q-3 with a suit. Again, a complete & utter no-brainer. He MUST get it in here.
 
As it happens, we both lost, but that's irrelevant. What we must try to do is the best thing in any specific situation. Just because we win or lose does not make it right or wrong. If we do the right thing in the right spots every time we'll be just fine in the long run, & losing this one does not change that. Over the course (in my case) of 30 games per night, or around 200 games per week, I'll make this play every single time if it arises, & I'll be +ev. Ditto Chris. 

I think Chris & I BOTH did exactly the right thing.
 
All IMO of course.

  

Tikay10

Now, the reason I so vividly remember this hand.

(Note these are my personal observations, 100% not a criticism of anyone, but it's always good to talk, & all of us PLO8-ers are trying to improve collectively).
 
If we play enough of these, especially against the same sub-group of experienced PLO8 players, we can pretty well forecast what will happen in any given spot. We KNOW who will do what with what.
 
My hand (imo) played itself.

When Chris got it in behind me, before I even saw his hand, I knew I was in trouble - he MUST have a similar, probably better, balanced hand. So I now knew I was in a bit of trouble, & I was almost certainly on the wrong end of a 60-40 flip. No prob, it happens, & I might get lucky. 

What happened next made my eyeballs pop out - the Big Stack came along. This really really shocked me. And I'm thinking, "sheesh, he must have good aces, but even so, I'd fold in his spot". 

In fact, he had the very odd K-10-2-3. And he must KNOW that at least 2 of the Aces are out. 

At this point, most would argue "he had the odds". And they would be perfectly & 100% correct - he did. But that completely misses the point.

Let's look at the upside & downside of his play. 

What upside does he have? Very little, imo. He folds, & I bust Chris or Chris busts me. Either way, game over. oioi. That's it - fold to victory.
 
But what if Chris takes the low, & I take the high? Suddenly I have 2,700, Chris has the same, & Brian has around 4,000. 

How much has Brian's chance of winning this improved or reduced now? He was a "lock" before this hand, now he's back in the mix, & it's anyone's game. His chances of winning are substantially reduced. And there was no upside, as he was near guaranteed the win already.
 
I also try very hard NEVER to double up a competent player un-necessarily. And both Chris & I are "competent". Give us a 2xUp at your peril.
 
What I'm saying is that I just see a lot more downside than upside here. When we have half the chips 4 handed, if we ever lose from here we should shoot ourselves. We are locked, we don't need to do anything. We just let the shorties fight amongst themselves, whilst we anticipate our guaranteed win & concentrate on other games. It's NOT an MTT, it's a DYM. 1st, 2nd & 3rd all get the same. Why expose ourselves to the risk of losing a game we have locked?

We all play the game our own way, & that's great. Me, I'm never getting involved here in a month of wet Sundays. I'm actually folding bad aces, too. I don't need to do anything, or expose my lovely stack to any risk.
 
I'd be interested in what others think about this - not to diss Brian, not at all - but just to learn from each other.  

Tikay10

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Again only a few games played tonight, gonna head off and sort some stuff for tomorrow, More than happy the way things are going still. BR is going up everynight, albeit slightly but im not caring. only a few days ago i was down to £12, its now hit over £50 mark, and thats just on the DYM'S only. I never thought id say it but i have no intention of reging a NLH game and its weird to type that as i love the game, but having so much fun with this and seems to be going well im just going to keep plodding along hoopefully with same results coming in. I would like to play some mtts, but think ill stick with £1.10 ones and just keep with the one table as i think 2 will throw me off. hopwfully the BR will increae and ill mabye start playing 1 or 2 £5.50 games but dont have a target in mind yet to really think about bashing anything higher than the £3.30's seem to be having a good run in them as i will post the table below. well ill mabye see some of you at the tables tomorrow or mabye get 1 game in before bed. PLO8 DYM WON LOST PLAYED 0.60 1   1 1.15 1   1 2.25 6 1 7 3.30 26 9 35 5.50   1 1 TOTAL 34 11 45
Posted by Chris_Mc

Tremendous results, Chris, & it looks like we have another convert to the fun game. And it is definitely easier to win, or not lose as much, in PLO8 compared to NLH.
 
Word of warning though - you can't expect that win rate to hold up long term - if you can, then you are a phenom.

If you can maintain a 60% win rate (at level stakes) you'll win plenty of dough.
 
Good luck mate.  

weecheez1

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Now, the reason I so vividly remember this hand. (Note these are my personal observations, 100% not a criticism of anyone, but it's always good to talk, & all of us PLO8-ers are trying to improve collectively).   If we play enough of these, especially against the same sub-group of experienced PLO8 players, we can pretty well forecast what will happen in any given spot. We KNOW who will do what with what.   My hand (imo) played itself. When Chris got it in behind me, before I even saw his hand, I knew I was in trouble - he MUST have a similar, probably better, balanced hand. So I now knew I was in a bit of trouble, & I was almost certainly on the wrong end of a 60-40 flip. No prob, it happens, & I might get lucky.  What happened next made my eyeballs pop out - the Big Stack came along. This really really shocked me. And I'm thinking, "sheesh, he must have good aces, but even so, I'd fold in his spot".  In fact, he had the very odd K-10-2-3. And he must KNOW that at least 2 of the Aces are out.  At this point, most would argue "he had the odds". And they would be perfectly & 100% correct - he did. But that completely misses the point. Let's look at the upside & downside of his play.  What upside does he have? Very little, imo. He folds, & I bust Chris or Chris busts me. Either way, game over. oioi. That's it - fold to victory.   But what if Chris takes the low, & I take the high? Suddenly I have 2,700, Chris has the same, & Brian has around 4,000.  How much has Brian's chance of winning this improved or reduced now? He was a "lock" before this hand, now he's back in the mix, & it's anyone's game. His chances of winning are substantially reduced. And there was no upside, as he was near guaranteed the win already.   I also try very hard NEVER to double up a competent player un-necessarily. And both Chris & I are "competent". Give us a 2xUp at your peril.   What I'm saying is that I just see a lot more downside than upside here. When we have half the chips 4 handed, if we ever lose from here we should shoot ourselves. We are locked, we don't need to do anything. We just let the shorties fight amongst themselves, whilst we anticipate our guaranteed win & concentrate on other games. It's NOT an MTT, it's a DYM . 1st, 2nd & 3rd all get the same. Why expose ourselves to the risk of losing a game we have locked? We all play the game our own way, & that's great. Me, I'm never getting involved here in a month of wet Sundays. I'm actually folding bad aces, too. I don't need to do anything, or expose my lovely stack to any risk.   I'd be interested in what others think about this - not to diss Brian, not at all - but just to learn from each other.  
Posted by Tikay10

sometimes players do strange things just played in the lunchtime £3er down to four players and one has been away for a while gentleman 4 has the chance to destroy the away player who has one bb + 80 chips he runs the clock down and checks loses to the away player then gentleman 4 plays against the chippy and loses three get paid morally i dont think he would of done anything wrong raising the away player but fair play to him

Macacgirl1

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I certainly wouldn't be calling one of Tikay's all-ins with that hand, I'd need at least the ace to be suited or the 3 to be a 2 to call him.
Posted by FCHD

I would!
Actually, I would have broken land speed records in calling!
Then, I would have looked at my hand!
!

ps. !!!

Chris_Mc

So, a losing night last night, and i suspect i will have many more only played the 6, won 2 lost 4.  Still happy with my stats and the way i played...i think lol.

Apart from the first game where i donated a good part of my stack which could have been very easily avoided. CURIOSITY!!

2nd game got it in 3 times with ACES.. but poor ACES. and was up against better ACEA on the 3 of them.  Still loving it though.. just hoped my losing night wasn't going to appear for at least another 2-3 years.   not a massive loss by any means as the game ive played in 2 weeks peopla play nearly  per night, but i just cant commit to that much.

bearing in mind i am only playing the 1 table at a tim for now, as i feel one need 100% attention whilst i have some TV on in the backround.....

now onto the TV on THE BACKROUND

COSMOS

A SPACETIME ODYSSEY

This show is currently on netflix and available on youtube, will post some links at the end.

I have seen this series a few times now and still love every minute and seem to learn more every episode,  It is based on the origanal series by carl segan. Cosmos a personal voyage, It is show about u got it the cosmos... the universe... life .....anything and everything.. how why ...what lol  stars planets, atoms cells and much much much more. 

The new show is presented by Neil deGrasse Tyson, (the modern day carl segan) and can watch this guy for hours on end about how he explains just about everything. 

Now if your into this sort of thing or have any interest in the universe i reccommend u watch this show ASAP, I sit glued to this show and prob not the best thing while playing my plo8 but the stuff u learn about is mind boggling. 

In the first episode he explains just how long the univers is been around, he sqeezes the universe into a calender year (cosmic callender). Big Bang jan 1st 00:01 to the modern day today dec 31st 00:00...... humans only evolved in the last hour of the last day... All of recorded history about us... is only in the last 14 seconds !!!! 14 seconds lol !!!!  There is light still hitting earth that when it started its travel  our galaxy wasnt even around !!! and we have been using science in the last 1 second!!!!!

i love the show, it shows how inventors, isaac newton, just one person mentioned and the things he done in his time is unbelievable... AND MANY MANY MORE...

tardigrades (water bear)...... another thing i had never heard of. and animal thats survived all mass extinctions.... the only animal to do so, can survive in space also....

the show is full of amazing facts and urge you to have a look if you have sort of interest in this sort of "star stuff" as its called. ill leave a couple of links below and see what you think....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3K4cct90HE

and this is cool......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5se2xEWw6o

little more.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfPdtfbPsRw

Anyway the full season of cosmos is on netflix now, if your bored or looking for something.. give it a try!!!

Tikay10

In Response to Re: ----Highs Lows & Scoopio's----:

In Response to Re: ----Highs Lows & Scoopio's---- : I would! Actually, I would have broken land speed records in calling! Then, I would have looked at my hand! ! ps. !!!
Posted by Macacgirl1

GO AWAY

chilling

Can i just say chris, it did make me laugh.Tikay was out the door soon after.

Chris_Mc

not many highs... but plenty LOWS

So, on a poor streak at the minute... deep breaths, chilling mentioned above...

i tend to say gl to all at table every game every night, just one of those things, nice and friendly and try not to let things bother me. even this little losing streak at the minute, it was going to happen. but mianly and importantly... i still look forward to reging the next game.

two hands below whcih have bothered me tonight,

hand 1

1st off, i say gd lk in chat box... with the added part..... mainly to me.. as things havent went that smooth lol. Get dealt the ACES ok there not the greatest but hey its aces... i have this gut feeling im losing after the flop and with thje flush draw as well i make the call and BOSH.... out first hand.

HAND 2

This one here.. well ... i feel its not bad, not a suited ace... but i still minclick it, then the re-raise... im pretty sure im normally calling here.. but just thought im losing.. little voices saying, "you're losing, even if your ahead.. you're still losing." theres been a few hands like this tonight laid down, even bette than this and just feel thats the way its been going. anyway.. still smiling just got one back there and in the middle of the other.

so will continue soldiering on and get myself back on track, going back to type gl in the chatbox now, havent done it yet.. plus ajmilton (plo8 champ is here) so have to go concentrate.

oh and................................... GL ALL!!!!!!

Hand History #1062606936 (19:27 28/07/2016)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
chilling	Small blind		10.00	10.00	1990.00
Chris_Mc	Big blind		20.00	30.00	1980.00
	Your hole cards	9 8 A A
bearace	Call		20.00	50.00	1980.00
55013	Fold
tikay1	Fold
tulley	Call		20.00	70.00	1980.00
chilling	Call		10.00	80.00	1980.00
Chris_Mc	Raise		80.00	160.00	1900.00
bearace	Call		80.00	240.00	1900.00
tulley	Call		80.00	320.00	1900.00
chilling	Fold
Flop
		J K 7
Chris_Mc	Bet		160.00	480.00	1740.00
bearace	Fold
tulley	Raise		800.00	1280.00	1100.00
Chris_Mc	All-in		1740.00	3020.00	0.00
tulley	All-in		1100.00	4120.00	0.00
Chris_Mc	Show	9 8 A A
tulley	Show	K 8 K 7
Turn
		5
River
		9
tulley	Win high	Three Kings	4120.00		4120.00
	No qualifying low hand

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Chris_Mc	Small blind		75.00	75.00	2697.50
Redmeat2	Big blind		150.00	225.00	2330.00
	Your hole cards	4 2 A Q
alvarez03	Fold
tikay1	Fold
Enut	Fold
its-a-fix	Fold
Chris_Mc	Raise		225.00	450.00	2472.50
Redmeat2	Raise		750.00	1200.00	1580.00
Chris_Mc	Fold
Redmeat2	Muck
Redmeat2	Win		600.00		2180.00
Redmeat2	Return		600.00	0.00	2780.00

gerardirl

Im a tad slow on this just reading the previous hand now. I think you were right to call Chris, the blinds were too big to wait for a better hand. Its not a straight forward call but because the blinds are so big Tikay could shove with a widish range here. The other thing to consider is churchys possibilities of calling which I think are quite high considering his style of play (certainly not a criticism as it is different styles that make the game so interesting). Also you would think the chances of churchy calling after you did would significantly reduce. 

Anyhow I would have called because if your gonna lose at least lose with a good hand, nothing worse than blinding out and being forced all in with rubbish.

Ger