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Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?

BlackFish3BlackFish3
edited February 2010 in Poker Chat
LAZLO1 Small blind   100.00 100.00 2575.00
BlackFish3 Big blind   200.00 300.00 1280.00
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • K
     
Pilcon Raise   400.00 700.00 4940.00
eudydude Fold        
clivein17 Fold        
LAZLO1 Fold
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    Ok so 5 handed in a dym... pilcon is the monster stack and is the sort of player that wants to knock players out and has just min raised UTG, i think his range here is fairly loose... what do i do? im next to act.

    Call? call with the plan to check fold if i dont hit top pair or a monster draw leaving myself with 5BB if i miss the flop, but could be outkicked if i do hit top pair.

    Fold? fold with such a small stack, shoving in the next decent situation.

    Shove? could be ahead of his range but shoving is the same as calling a shove and i wouldnt want to call a shove with KJ if you assume he is calling a shove 100% (which im pretty sure is the case).

    btw there are 2 stacks under 10BB and 1 stack with like 13BB, me and the monster stack.
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  • ACBRO67ACBRO67
    edited February 2010

    love...a feeling you feel when  you are feeling a feeling you have never felt before...


    how confusing do you want to make this hand??? shove..he shoves but...and then maybe...but then....

    You are low ,he is high.....KJ suited...shove it and hope,,,,IF YOU WANT TO...depends on his 'range'...FFS!!!!!!

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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited February 2010

    IMO I fold this.
     Calling is wrong, as your calling 16% of your stack to hit a flop that you could be crushed on. Shove is wrong as hes not folding so your effectivly calling. Utg min raise is usually strengh and alot of his range crushes you. Just fold. Find a better spot and try to shove a smaller stack with any 2. GET YOUR CHIPS IN FIRST! Hope that helps.

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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    love...a feeling you feel when  you are feeling a feeling you have never felt before... how confusing do you want to make this hand??? shove..he shoves but...and then maybe...but then.... You are low ,he is high.....KJ suited...shove it and hope,,,,IF YOU WANT TO...depends on his 'range'...FFS!!!!!!
    Posted by ACBRO67
    i was trying to be as informative as possible so sorry if its a little bit confusing. thanks for the clarity of your reply...
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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited February 2010
    Push.  Be crushed by AA.  Play cash.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    Push.  Be crushed by AA.  Play cash.
    Posted by scotty77
    haha! im still aiming to convert to cash...
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  • philmenowphilmenow
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    LAZLO1 Small blind   100.00 100.00 2575.00 BlackFish3 Big blind   200.00 300.00 1280.00   Your hole cards J K       Pilcon Raise   400.00 700.00 4940.00 eudydude Fold         clivein17 Fold         LAZLO1 Fold
    Posted by BlackFish3
    think you have to call,see flop,take it from there...yes he may be well ahead or even dominating ur KJ,but then again he may not...and if you hit the right flop...happy days.
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  • webby234webby234
    edited February 2010
    to be honest you should put this in the strategy section and stop trying to be the center of attention all the time

    hope this helps
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    to be honest you should put this in the strategy section and stop trying to be the center of attention all the time hope this helps
    Posted by webby234
    no

    i think id just shove mate as your stack was low.

    what was the outcome anyway?
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  • sara36dd08sara36dd08
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    to be honest you should put this in the strategy section and stop trying to be the center of attention all the time hope this helps
    Posted by webby234
    well said webby
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    to be honest you should put this in the strategy section and stop trying to be the center of attention all the time hope this helps
    Posted by webby234
    your so pathetic... how is this trying to be the centre of attention? i wanted help in a difficult situation, i thought this was what the forum was for? Almost no one goes in the poker strategy section of the forum so its pointless posting the hand there. Thanks for your input, keep up the good work going to sky vegas and donking off your bankroll over and over again. And well done on the vote between me and you...
    hope this helps
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove? : well said webby
    Posted by sara36dd08
    what a surprise you are here to troll... you really not have anything better to do?
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  • KnackersYaKnackersYa
    edited February 2010
    It's a toughie but I'm leaning towards a fold here. I'd much rather be putting my money in first than dancing to the other guy's tune and, with three other guys in the danger zone, it's better to protect your stack.

    Shoving would me my next choice. Flatting? Never ever EVER in this situation.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    It's a toughie but I'm leaning towards a fold here. I'd much rather be putting my money in first than dancing to the other guy's tune and, with three other guys in the danger zone, it's better to protect your stack. Sheoving would me my next choice. Flatting? Never ever EVER in this situation.
    Posted by KnackersYa
    yea im thinking i should of folded now because if i hit top pair then i could be out kicked so easily, i really dont want to shove because i know hes not folding to my shove and if he shoved UTG i would never call with KJs... so that leaves folding... shame theres no time bank! thanks for your oppinion.
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  • IRISHROVERIRISHROVER
    edited February 2010
    flat call see can u slam dunk the flop ,

    but what do i know you is the master of the dym holdem lol !

    rover and outttttttttttttttt !

    god these knickers are tight !
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited February 2010

    I'm not sure what you should do, but I know what you should NOT do - CALL!

    Of the other two options, well it's close, but my default setting in these spots is to get my money in first with ANYTHING, rather than be second to act with a marginal. Let's be right, we do not have the faintest idea how strong the Raiser is, so we are whistling in the dark.

    It's a fold for me, but the next open spot I'm jamming with ATC.

    I agree - it is a difficult one.
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  • webby234webby234
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove? : your so pathetic... how is this trying to be the centre of attention? i wanted help in a difficult situation, i thought this was what the forum was for? Almost no one goes in the poker strategy section of the forum so its pointless posting the hand there. Thanks for your input, keep up the good work going to sky vegas and donking off your bankroll over and over again. And well done on the vote between me and you... hope this helps
    Posted by BlackFish3
    the reason nobody goes to the strategy section is because people like you keep posting it in the general poker part of the forum, which imo should result in a ticking off from the mods or be removed to that part of the forum, you will get your reply's in due course but no you wanted immediate reply's and to be the center of attention all the time as usual, really are laughable!!

    on the subject of what you should do here, its an instant fold and why you would even need advice here is just crazy considering your a specialist double your money player. and as for me donking my winnings in vegas, not happened for a long time and am running quite well on the tables, came 2nd in the £300 bounty hunter and cashed in my last 8/9 £11 DYM's roughly.

    but if you think your game is better than mine in that format then i will take you on in a money challenge, play say 50 £11 DYM over a couple of week or maybe less and lets see who cashes in the most money?
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  • barnsiebarnsie
    edited February 2010
    anything is fine

    just dont call
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop
    edited February 2010

    it would be good fun to watch and rail some webby vs blackfish hu games now that would be entertaining!

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  • beanehbeaneh
    edited February 2010
    fooold
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  • acebarry10acebarry10
    edited February 2010
    Has to be fold or shove.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove? : the reason nobody goes to the strategy section is because people like you keep posting it in the general poker part of the forum, which imo should result in a ticking off from the mods or be removed to that part of the forum, you will get your reply's in due course but no you wanted immediate reply's and to be the center of attention all the time as usual, really are laughable!! on the subject of what you should do here, its an instant fold and why you would even need advice here is just crazy considering your a specialist double your money player. and as for me donking my winnings in vegas, not happened for a long time and am running quite well on the tables, came 2nd in the £300 bounty hunter and cashed in my last 8/9 £11 DYM's roughly. but if you think your game is better than mine in that format then i will take you on in a money challenge, play say 50 £11 DYM over a couple of week or maybe less and lets see who cashes in the most money?
    Posted by webby234
    ahhh this thread has nothing to do with wanting attention! i wanted to discuss a tough spot jeeez, so instead of trash talking why dont you write out your oppinion and arguments for and against each possible decision like others have kindly spent the time to do? 50 games is a ridiculous sample to have a challenge over. It would need to be at least like 100, and i would only do the challenge at the £3.30 stake atm. But if you are up for it (i doubt you will be considering you play £11 dym) then it would be fun. Lol i dont think im a better player than you, i know you have had success at the tables but how can i judge myself against you when ive never seen you play!
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    Im pretty sure the majority view is fold and thank you everyone for contributing and offering your oppinions. Any more oppinions/advice most welcome.
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  • Seagull158Seagull158
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    LAZLO1 Small blind   100.00 100.00 2575.00 BlackFish3 Big blind   200.00 300.00 1280.00   Your hole cards J K       Pilcon Raise   400.00 700.00 4940.00 eudydude Fold         clivein17 Fold         LAZLO1 Fold
    Posted by BlackFish3
    This should be in the strategy section.
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  • Seagull158Seagull158
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    Im pretty sure the majority view is fold and thank you everyone for contributing and offering your oppinions. Any more oppinions/advice most welcome.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    Post in the strategy section if you want advice on the hand. If you want advice on where you should post you now have it.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited February 2010
    Do the challenge!!!!

    Id love to watch it, well I would if it was any other format than DYM - theres as much action in 50 dyms as there is a half hour of cash! lol

    There's the YY challenge, which will be fun to watch, but Id love to watch some lower stakes battles, Id find that probably more interesting!

    Get it on!!
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  • IRISHROVERIRISHROVER
    edited February 2010
    that other poker site may have durr and atoninous hu challenge ,

    but hey we at skypoker have even better ,

    the blackfish and webby dym challenge ,

    bring it on guys !
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  • philmenowphilmenow
    edited February 2010
    CANT understand the logic in 'shoving',hes min raised so either hes got 'a hand' or hes stealing,with that stack hes probly callin even if u shove and then its in the lap of the poker gods(he cud have 72 and u cud still lose).KJs has such potential,you call and see what happens ,or you fold. at worst uv lost another 200chpz but are STILL IN,at best you hit BIG and double up..if ur worried about hitting top pair and havin a worse kikka,o well ..? you could wait til the others knokk em selves out or double themselves up..? and find urself in a better/worse situation..hes likely to be raising evry hand so what situation do you wait for.?
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    In Response to Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove? : This should be in the strategy section.
    Posted by Seagull158
    oh thank you so much for that. I guess you didnt see the other posts offering advice on the hand? Would it have really been discussed as much in the poker strategy section? i highly doubt it... but once again thanks.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Difficult DYM situation... call, fold or shove?:
    CANT understand the logic in 'shoving',hes min raised so either hes got 'a hand' or hes stealing,with that stack hes probly callin even if u shove and then its in the lap of the poker gods(he cud have 72 and u cud still lose).KJs has such potential,you call and see what happens ,or you fold. at worst uv lost another 200chpz but are STILL IN,at best you hit BIG and double up..if ur worried about hitting top pair and havin a worse kikka,o well ..? you could wait til the others knokk em selves out or double themselves up..? and find urself in a better/worse situation..hes likely to be raising evry hand so what situation do you wait for.?
    Posted by philmenow
    wait for me to act first so i can shove? remember raising and seeing everyone fold is always more fun to a psycho big stack when you know you have the potential to make everyone fold than calling a shove where you know you have to suck out.
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