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Announcement Groupies.

edited June 2017 in Poker Chat
I find it amusing, as there seems to be a group of players that compete in a race to every new announcement on the forum, to try to get their approval posted first. It doesnt seem to make any difference as to how trivial the announcement is, they want to be first and they will approve wholeheartedly. They will never disagree with anything.
Its Thursday today, Wow thankyou Sky, I love you Sky you never let me down.
"Any player not getting 2,000 points next month will have their left leg amputated." Wow thank you Sky, we dont need two legs to play poker. Ive always wanted to walk with a limp. I will never have to buy a pair of shoes again. I will be able to nick the one I will need from outside the shoe shops.
On a more realistic example Sky couldnt have come up with more ridiculous starting times for the SPT if they had tried. Yet there they are. Wow thankyou Sky, we love you, its a great idea to start playing in the middle of the night, I wont get tired and fall asleep. Well done Sky. I will be getting to Manchester the night before, but I dont mind hanging about all day, I will go to the Zoo. I love Zoos.
When Tikay announced that there was going to be a Viva Last Vegas, without publishing the details of the ridiculous points qualification requirements, there they were Wow  We love you etc. etc.in massive print, and +1s evertwhere. Yet when the targets came out they couldnt qualify.
This obsequiosness doesnt accomplish anything other than giving the suits the wrong impression. 
Sometimes improvement can be gained through debate. The only thing that can be gained through praising the ridiculous is more ridiculousness.
I think that the suits from Sky just dont seem to get involved in some threads where their input would be of value, and appreciated.
When Tikay posted in January that there was to be a long overdue overhaul of the mtt programme, I was a little bit excited. I am not sure what I was expecting, but a change is as good as a rest. There was no substantial change to any of the tournaments I play which was disappointing.
To finish off I would like to say a couple of things regarding the SPT starting times.
Firstly, on tbhis occasion Sky have at least not attempted to defend the indefencible, and are changing the starting times.
Secondly, this was done by listening to the more sensible players, rather than the groupies.
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  • edited June 2017

    love that post, just love it.


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    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    love that post, just love it.
    Posted by aussie09
    Thank you, its true.

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    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    love that post, just love it.
    Posted by aussie09
    Only a non groupie could say that.

  • edited June 2017
    The casino chose the start times not us. We all agree an earlier start/finish would be better so have pushed for this. The tournament schedule was only revamped last October so I doubt Tikay promised an overhaul in January.
  • edited June 2017
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    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : Only a non groupie could say that.
    Posted by HAYSIE
    +1
  • edited June 2017
    Exclusive photo of Haysie mid post



  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    The casino chose the start times not us. We all agree an earlier start/finish would be better so have pushed for this. The tournament schedule was only revamped last October so I doubt Tikay promised an overhaul in January.
    Posted by Sky__James
    Changing the starting times is good, and I am sure will be appreciated by most of the players, as the original ones were not very good.
    He definitely did and we had a completely different schedule in January, with the new schedule kicking in in February. I thought my memory was bad.
    Didnt we have a £110 bounty hunter every night?
  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    The casino chose the start times not us. We all agree an earlier start/finish would be better so have pushed for this. The tournament schedule was only revamped last October so I doubt Tikay promised an overhaul in January.
    Posted by Sky__James
    Tikay10
    Posts: 35448
    First: 20/5/2009
    Last: 23/6/2017

    Morning all.

    As most of you know by now, Sky Poker are revamping the MTT Schedule. It's well overdue, & has to be done, & once it is all sorted, the MTT schedule here will be better, more logically arranged & timed, & better presented.

    So if you have ANY questions, observations as & when changes happen, or, Heaven forbid, complaints, please post them on this thread. The Suits WILL read this thread daily, & if anything major arises during the changes, & you guys let us know, I'll send it straight upstairs.
     
    Doing it this way will be far more efficient for both sides of the table, & help us all - players & business alike - get through the MTT Revamp more comfortably, & I'll happily explain why any particular MTT has been moved, changed, re-packaged or dropped.
     
    It's a 2 way process - the players & The Business, Working together, we CAN make it better. And we will.  
       
  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : Changing the starting times is good, and I am sure will be appreciated by most of the players, as the original ones were not very good. He definitely did and we had a completely different schedule in January, with the new schedule kicking in in February. I thought my memory was bad. Didnt we have a £110 bounty hunter every night?
    Posted by HAYSIE
    That was a specific promotion in January called Bounty Hunter Champion which replaced the main schedule for 4 weeks. The main schedule returned in February although there have been plenty of changes this year too.
  • edited June 2017
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    Exclusive photo of Haysie mid post
    Posted by TommyD
    If you only knew how slowly I type.

  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : Tikay10 Posts: 35448 First: 20/5/2009 Last: 23/6/2017 Morning all. As most of you know by now, Sky Poker are revamping the MTT Schedule. It's well overdue, & has to be done, & once it is all sorted, the MTT schedule here will be better, more logically arranged & timed, & better presented. So if you have ANY questions, observations as & when changes happen, or, Heaven forbid, complaints, please post them on this thread. The Suits WILL read this thread daily, & if anything major arises during the changes, & you guys let us know, I'll send it straight upstairs.   Doing it this way will be far more efficient for both sides of the table, & help us all - players & business alike - get through the MTT Revamp more comfortably, & I'll happily explain why any particular MTT has been moved, changed, re-packaged or dropped.   It's a 2 way process - the players & The Business, Working together, we CAN make it better. And we will.      
    Posted by HAYSIE
    Tikay posted that on 23rd September. If you want correcting on anything else it will have to wait til Monday.
  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : That was a specific promotion in January called Bounty Hunter Champion which replaced the main schedule for 4 weeks. The main schedule returned in February although there have been plenty of changes this year too.
    Posted by Sky__James
    The Bounty Hunter thing was to run and allow the mtt schedule to be revamped. I domt think any of the tournaments I play regularly have changed in any significant way.
    Perhaps I read much more into the" long overdue revamp" than I should have.

  • edited June 2017
    Sounds like a very happy person ....lol
  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : Tikay posted that on 23rd September. If you want correcting on anything else it will have to wait til Monday.
    Posted by Sky__James
    My apologies.
    I didnt see this thread until January. I didnt look at the date of the fist post, and assumed it was a recent post when I first saw it. I have posted on this thread from January onwards. The thread ran until the end of May.
    There was nothing in the thread telling me that a review was not going on. In fact there were many posts discuussing whether various tournaments were coming back in February or not. These discussions could only support my impression, that a review was taking place. I have copied a post which I made on the 17th January which confirms this.
    So I was mistaken and must apologise.
    Having said that I am not sure that there have been any sinificant changes made to the tournaments I usually play, since October. I couldnt swear to it, but I dont think so. Perhaps you could be so kind as to correct me on Monday if that is not the case.
    I didnt appreciate your reply, as throughout my working life I was encouraged to treat my customers with courtesy and respect. This advice proved invaluable to me.
    Nobody appreciates a smartarse.


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    Re: MTT changes & discussion thread

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    HAYSIE
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    First: 20/6/2009
    Last: 23/6/2017
    In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread:
    What do you think the reason is for Sky having to reduce the guarantees on a regular basis now? I get that in the Summer people play less but the winter months are generally acknowledged as the best times for UK based online poker. Not trolling. It's just that i'm surprised as we hear often enough that Sky is having year on year growth. Is Poker itself growing on Sky or is it that figure across all platforms?
    Posted by Jac35
    Perhaps they will come up with some more attractive tournaments during this review, and maybe more satellites for the bigger buy ins.
  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : My apologies. I didnt see this thread until January. I didnt look at the date of the fist post, and assumed it was a recent post when I first saw it. I have posted on this thread from January onwards. The thread ran until the end of May. There was nothing in the thread telling me that a review was not going on. In fact there were many posts discuussing whether various tournaments were coming back in February or not. These discussions could only support my impression, that a review was taking place. I have copied a post which I made on the 17th January which confirms this. So I was mistaken and must apologise. Having said that I am not sure that there have been any sinificant changes made to the tournaments I usually play, since October. I couldnt swear to it, but I dont think so. Perhaps you could be so kind as to correct me on Monday if that is not the case. I didnt appreciate your reply, as throughout my working life I was encouraged to treat my customers with courtesy and respect. This advice proved invaluable to me. Nobody appreciates a smartarse.
    Posted by HAYSIE
    I really hope this post is a level. If it is, wp
    If not, if this is your "apology", I'm siding with the "smartarse" :)
  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I really hope this post is a level. If it is, wp If not, if this is your "apology", I'm siding with the "smartarse" :)
    Posted by Essexphil
    Don't understand. You keep forgetting I am Welsh.
  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : Don't understand. You keep forgetting I am Welsh.
    Posted by HAYSIE
    Sky James points out your mistake. Let's look at the last 3 lines of your "apology" at 6:13

    I didnt appreciate your reply, as throughout my working life I was encouraged to treat my customers with courtesy and respect. This advice proved invaluable to me.
    Nobody appreciates a smartarse.

    Do you really think that was called for? Do you not think you are being abusive to James? What's not to understand? Would you be happy if Sky James referred to you in those terms? And what has being Welsh got to do with it?
  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : Sky James points out your mistake. Let's look at the last 3 lines of your "apology" at 6:13 I didnt appreciate your reply, as throughout my working life I was encouraged to treat my customers with courtesy and respect. This advice proved invaluable to me. Nobody appreciates a smartarse. Do you really think that was called for? Do you not think you are being abusive to James? What's not to understand? Would you be happy if Sky James referred to you in those terms? And what has being Welsh got to do with it?
    Posted by Essexphil

    Big + 1

    His posts are becoming more & more annoying/out of order

  • edited June 2017
    he's allowed to post absolute bulls**t on every thread he enters, *****

    No wonder the forum is in decline.
  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I really hope this post is a level. If it is, wp If not, if this is your "apology", I'm siding with the "smartarse" :)
    Posted by Essexphil
    I do not have a clue what this post means. When does a post become a level? What is well played? I am not being obtuse, I just don't understand what it means. I was suggesting that maybe I don't understand it because I am Welsh. This was obviously a joke.
    Please feel free to side with whoever you wish to side with. that is your right.
  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : Sky James points out your mistake. Let's look at the last 3 lines of your "apology" at 6:13 I didnt appreciate your reply, as throughout my working life I was encouraged to treat my customers with courtesy and respect. This advice proved invaluable to me. Nobody appreciates a smartarse. Do you really think that was called for? Do you not think you are being abusive to James? What's not to understand? Would you be happy if Sky James referred to you in those terms? And what has being Welsh got to do with it?
    Posted by Essexphil
    I made a genuine mistake regarding when Tikays post was made. This was a genuine mistake, I wasnt being underhanded, or dishonest. 
    I was quite happy to apologise for this mistake. However I wasnt happy with the "clever"response I received. I felt it only right and proper to point this out.
    My view is that anyone that views being called a smartarse as abuse needs to get a life.
    That is my view, yours is obviously different.
    This forum is choc full of differences of opinion.
  • edited June 2017
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    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : Big + 1 His posts are becoming more & more annoying/out of order
    Posted by goldnballz
    Another difference of opinion. You could adopt the not reading them option.
  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    he's allowed to post absolute bulls**t on every thread he enters, ***** No wonder the forum is in decline.
    Posted by goldnballz
    Never thought I would get accused of singlehandedly declining the forum.
    I will have to start reading your posts to find out what qualities you bring to the forum, and maybe learn from you.

  • edited June 2017
    RE The OP I am not sure I agree with you.

    Most "offical announcement" threads if generally positive and non-contraversial receive tumbleweed.

    Anything that maybe favours one type of player over another (high v low stakes, high v low volume, cash v MTTs v SNGs) gets a volley of moans from those not favoured by that particular promotion.

    The negative posts usually far outweigh the positive in these threads.

    If I like something because it is good for the site overall or for me in particular I will try and comment positively. Imagine working hard as part of a team to come up with a promotion, or get SPTs back, announcing it and either getting no response or team moan filling the thread.

    I am not a Sky sycophant though, I have complained about stuff too, but I do try and give constructive feedback and with reasons and suggestions.


  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    This forum is choc full of differences of opinion.
    Posted by HAYSIE
    I think you have answered your own OP question Haysie, with the above quote, as to why there are not a load of folk ready to bash any details they may see wrong with a Sky announcement.

    I see plenty things I would like to be done differently. As an example... the OH8 BH's have done well (relatively speaking) since their introduction. I feel there is room to have quite a few more spread throughout the day and a weekly affair with a bigger buy in etc etc. It seems like a slight mistake to me not to pounce on the current momentum and have a load more.

    That said... I realise the majority of the forum and site are NLHE players. A load of people might play the odd one so don't care too much. I realise the Sky staff will have their own ideas and they have been employed in these positions because someone feels they are well positioned to make these calls. I realise some SNG players will have concerns about traffic/liquidity. And I realise that some people just wont give a [insert expletive here]. So maybe more will be introduced in line with my personal preferences, maybe they won't. I just have to realise that not everyone sees things the way I do. I will still politely give an odd nudge and hope it works out but there are bigger things to worry about and the things I really like about Sky drastically outweigh the things I do not.

    It is like this with many of the suggestions you make. Some would love your ideas to be implemented, some would not and the majority couldn't give a [expletive here]. I don't think you mean any harm whatsoever and I thoroughly enjoyed meeting you in Vegas last year and hopefully we can catch up on a future trip and share a couple of beers. That said I think it might just be the correct approach to realise that there are so many opinions to cater for (most of whom are somewhere in the middle and do not really care). Also Sky and the Sky staff will have their reasons (whether they are always correct or not). It is their baby so to speak, and while they should, and IMO definitely do listen to our feedback. The final decisions rest with them.

    It is not like they are sitting in the office getting smashed on Buckfast, don't give a [expletive here], and are coming up with this stuff by joting the first thing that comes into their heads on the back of a ciggy packet. I mean look at the start time issue you mentioned. It wasn't because they hadn't considered it. There were restrictions with the venue and despite these restrictions they have listened to the feedback and are still trying to see if anything can be done. I personally just feel it is a great move to have the SPT stuff back at all. 

    Some of the stuff they come up with I will love, some I will hate and the vast majority will be somewhere in the middle. While I might voice my concerns on some points, I hope I do so in a way that demonstrates that I realise they are doing their best to do their job well, are receptive to feedback, and cannot possibly please us all. 

    As mentioned I personally think the positives drastically outweigh the negatives on Sky. I am guessing that you feel exactly the same way and that is why you play here. It just doesn't always come across like that when you pull the Sky folks up over several issues. They are just folks trying their best to do their jobs, listening to our feedback and making the final calls on such issues with those and many other points bore in mind. It looks to me like you intend your suggestions to be 'constructive feedback' but the choice of words means it doesn't always come across like this (I am not trying to be a smartass, just glancing at the OP title should show the negative spin I am alluding to).


  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    RE The OP I am not sure I agree with you. Most "offical announcement" threads if generally positive and non-contraversial receive tumbleweed. Anything that maybe favours one type of player over another (high v low stakes, high v low volume, cash v MTTs v SNGs) gets a volley of moans from those not favoured by that particular promotion. The negative posts usually far outweigh the positive in these threads. If I like something because it is good for the site overall or for me in particular I will try and comment positively. Imagine working hard as part of a team to come up with a promotion, or get SPTs back, announcing it and either getting no response or team moan filling the thread. I am not a Sky sycophant though, I have complained about stuff too, but I do try and give constructive feedback and with reasons and suggestions.
    Posted by Phantom66
    I respect your views, and if we all had the same opinion life would be pretty boring.
    However I have seen many instances on the forum where there is a simple problem. Someone from Sky posts that the minor problem is sorted. Then some players that had no interest in, and nothing to do with the problem, will be posting wow thank you Sky, we love you etc etc, like someones life had been saved.
    If playing poker til 4am was everybodys cup of tea then perhaps the WSOP will be changing the World Series next year. I think every SPT I have been to in the past has started at 2pm, and therefore finished at a reasonable time. How could you applaud a 4am finish? This looks like it will change, but with no thanks to the groupies.
    Lastly,to qualify for the Last Vegas freeroll, the volume players were asked to get 4,000 points. That means spending £4,000 on the week. An extra £1500 above their norm, giving Sky an extra £150 per player. To qualify for a freeroll. Some players thought this was fair. Unbelievable. How deluded can you possibly be?
    My working life was spent in sales, where it is imperative to have a positive attitude. However I see the importance of debate as a means to change things that are wrong.
    In a small way all the players on the SPT can be thankful for getting a much better nights sleep, due to one of these debates. Yet if nothing was said, then it would have remained the same.


  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I respect your views, and if we all had the same opinion life would be pretty boring. However I have seen many instances on the forum where there is a simple problem. Someone from Sky posts that the minor problem is sorted. Then some players that had no interest in, and nothing to do with the problem, will be posting wow thank you Sky, we love you etc etc, like someones life had been saved. If playing poker til 4am was everybodys cup of tea then perhaps the WSOP will be changing the World Series next year. I think every SPT I have been to in the past has started at 2pm, and therefore finished at a reasonable time. How could you applaud a 4am finish? This looks like it will change, but with no thanks to the groupies. Lastly,to qualify for the Last Vegas freeroll, the volume players were asked to get 4,000 points. That means spending £4,000 on the week. An extra £1500 above their norm, giving Sky an extra £150 per player. To qualify for a freeroll. Some players thought this was fair. Unbelievable. How deluded can you possibly be? My working life was spent in sales, where it is imperative to have a positive attitude. However I see the importance of debate as a means to change things that are wrong. In a small way all the players on the SPT can be thankful for getting a much better nights sleep, due to one of these debates. Yet if nothing was said, then it would have remained the same.
    Posted by HAYSIE

    Irony?

    The promo wasn't aimed towards you/volume players. You had had your chance via all the normal sat routes, of which by your own admission you played them all with no joy.

    So they geared it towards a different market, and if you wanted in on it then you really had to earn it. Purposely making the points target large for volume players was probably to deter them and try and ensure the freeroll had more of their target audience.

    Fair? I'd say it was totally fair.

  • edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I think you have answered your own OP question Haysie, with the above quote, as to why there are not a load of folk ready to bash any details they may see wrong with a Sky announcement. I see plenty things I would like to be done differently. As an example... the OH8 BH's have done well (relatively speaking) since their introduction. I feel there is room to have quite a few more spread throughout the day and a weekly affair with a bigger buy in etc etc. It seems like a slight mistake to me not to pounce on the current momentum and have a load more. That said... I realise the majority of the forum and site are NLHE players. A load of people might play the odd one so don't care too much. I realise the Sky staff will have their own ideas and they have been employed in these positions because someone feels they are well positioned to make these calls. I realise some SNG players will have concerns about traffic/liquidity. And I realise that some people just wont give a [insert expletive here]. So maybe more will be introduced in line with my personal preferences, maybe they won't. I just have to realise that not everyone sees things the way I do. I will still politely give an odd nudge and hope it works out but there are bigger things to worry about and the things I really like about Sky drastically outweigh the things I do not. It is like this with many of the suggestions you make. Some would love your ideas to be implemented, some would not and the majority couldn't give a [expletive here]. I don't think you mean any harm whatsoever and I thoroughly enjoyed meeting you in Vegas last year and hopefully we can catch up on a future trip and share a couple of beers. That said I think it might just be the correct approach to realise that there are so many opinions to cater for (most of whom are somewhere in the middle and do not really care). Also Sky and the Sky staff will have their reasons (whether they are always correct or not). It is their baby so to speak, and while they should, and IMO definitely do listen to our feedback. The final decisions rest with them. It is not like they are sitting in the office getting smashed on Buckfast, don't give a [expletive here], and are coming up with this stuff by joting the first thing that comes into their heads on the back of a ciggy packet. I mean look at the start time issue you mentioned. It wasn't because they hadn't considered it. There were restrictions with the venue and despite these restrictions they have listened to the feedback and are still trying to see if anything can be done. I personally just feel it is a great move to have the SPT stuff back at all.  Some of the stuff they come up with I will love, some I will hate and the vast majority will be somewhere in the middle. While I might voice my concerns on some points, I hope I do so in a way that demonstrates that I realise they are doing their best to do their job well, are receptive to feedback, and cannot possibly please us all.  As mentioned I personally think the positives drastically outweigh the negatives on Sky. I am guessing that you feel exactly the same way and that is why you play here. It just doesn't always come across like that when you pull the Sky folks up over several issues. They are just folks trying their best to do their jobs, listening to our feedback and making the final calls on such issues with those and many other points bore in mind. It looks to me like you intend your suggestions to be 'constructive feedback' but the choice of words means it doesn't always come across like this (I am not trying to be a smartass, just glancing at the OP title should show the negative spin I am alluding to).
    Posted by markycash

    I visited Buckfast Abbey a few years ago, for some reason I was expecting it to look like Motherwell town centre, but lo and behold, not an adidas tracksuit in site, never heard 'gonnae geez some cally fur ra bucky' never saw one fight, ended up buying some buckfast honey and had a lovely cream tea........every day is a schoolday. 
  • edited June 2017
    I was talking generally as I thought the OP was.

    WRT to SPT start times I was prepared to take whatever I am given if I qualify, doesn't mean I wouldnt prefer an earlier finish and in my case I could also make an earlier start. 

    As Sky have made clear though they can only request an earlier start time, it is up to the Casino hosting to set times.

    Sky seemed to have prioritised a good struture over finish time which I would agree with.

    If the start can be moved earler I am sure more people will be happy (although it may incovenience some on the Friday)


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    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies.:
    In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I visited Buckfast Abbey a few years ago, for some reason I was expecting it to look like Motherwell town centre, but lo and behold, not an adidas tracksuit in site, never heard 'gonnae geez some cally fur ra bucky' never saw one fight, ended up buying some buckfast honey and had a lovely cream tea........every day is a schoolday. 
    Posted by HENDRIK62

    ... and oblivious to everyone else there looking at you Hendrik and thinking, "ah, buckfast. everything is true after all".



    ;-)



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