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Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester)

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    Lambert180Lambert180
    edited July 2017
    Great tips for new live players Tikay. 

    The only one I'd add, from personal experience, is at showdown NEVER muck your hand until you've been shown a better one. You'd be amazed how many times someone will assume they're beat on the river cos they got called and then find out their A high/bottom pair (or in some cases K high lol) is good.
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    unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited July 2017
    i mentioned this in a previous thread for a live UKPC and its nothing to do with playing , if you take a friend(s)/partner make sure they take ID so that they can get into the casino , the palava i had with the missus cuz she didn,t have adequate ID at DTD worked out in the end tho
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    gazza127gazza127
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    Great tips for new live players Tikay.  The only one I'd add, from personal experience, is at showdown NEVER muck your hand until you've been shown a better one. You'd be amazed how many times someone will assume they're beat on the river cos they got called and then find out their A high/bottom pair (or in some cases K high lol) is good.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Lol I did this a couple of weeks ago in Lille.

    I tried to bluff raise someone in a cash pot on the turn.

    The river brought the V card (yeah i know. I had to google it also).

    I gave up the bluff on the river and checked.  Opposition player checked behind and I just instantly mucked as I had like 5 high.

    Lo and behold the board actually had the straight on it.  The V card (a Jack) had conterfeit his two pair.

    I had mucked a split pot.

    To be fair, I was tired at about 3am in the morning.  But yeah - always a good idea to show your cards.  Just in case.
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    jimb0d1jimb0d1
    edited July 2017
    Are you allowed to ask the dealer how much is in the pot? Do I have to give other players a count of my stack if they ask?
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    EvilPinguEvilPingu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    "String Betting" is the daftest rule in the word (& oddly, does not exist in the USA), but beware of it, as poker players are a bit silly with this one, & if you string bet they will all jump up in the air like little kids excitedly saying STRING BET. I've yet to see a string bet which was an angle shoot, but rules are rules.
    Posted by Tikay10
    I was playing live cash at UKIPT Bristol a few years back. I had £105 back including £1 on top of my cards to protect them.

    Pushed my stack in on the river (Pot was like £110ish), forgot the £1 chip on top of my cards and tried to throw it in.

    Old guy not even in the hand starts pointing at my £1 chip like "STRING BET!!! STRING BET!!!", which it obviously was. So I apologise and place my £1 back on top of my cards. I knew the rule but it didn't stop me spending the next orbit getting lectured about the string betting rules by this old bloke, then him constantly making string bet and online player jokes the rest of the night, which was rather tedious.
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    Lambert180Lambert180
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    Are you allowed to ask the dealer how much is in the pot? Do I have to give other players a count of my stack if they ask?
    Posted by jimb0d1
    The dealer won't tell you what's in the pot, the best you can do is ask him to spread the chips out for you and then you can make a rough count yourself.

    If someone asks how much is in your stack you don't have to say anything. You'd have to move your hands away (if you're covering your stack) so they can see it themselves and try to count/guess but you can stay silent.
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    gazza127gazza127
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    Are you allowed to ask the dealer how much is in the pot? Do I have to give other players a count of my stack if they ask?
    Posted by jimb0d1

    Dealer cannot count the pot for you.  Thats up to you im afraid.

    Dealer will announce bet sizes but can only count an opponents stack if they are all in (effectively a bet).

    You have to do the majority of the counting yourself :)
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    EvilPinguEvilPingu
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    Are you allowed to ask the dealer how much is in the pot? Do I have to give other players a count of my stack if they ask?
    Posted by jimb0d1
    1) In NL games, you can ask the dealer to spread the pot so you can count it yourself, but you can't ask how much is in the pot.

    In PL I think you're allowed to ask how much a "Pot" bet is (Whatever happened to players being able to do arithmetic? Should ALWAYS know that in PL without having to ask, IMO).

    2) You don't have to reply, although the villain can ask the dealer to count your stack.
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    glencoeladglencoelad
    edited July 2017
    Not all players are on the level....beware of " Strokes "  I was caught out in a big live game on the flop when a player put in 3 chips as a call, but one was a 5.000 chip, pulls it back and says sorry...dealer makes it a re-raise , and im sucked into someone that has flopped the nuts !
        I have seen players in late position lift cards as if to muck, only to re-raise , but most players are on the level, so
     go and enjoy !
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    Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    Great tips for new live players Tikay.  The only one I'd add, from personal experience, is at showdown NEVER muck your hand until you've been shown a better one. You'd be amazed how many times someone will assume they're beat on the river cos they got called and then find out their A high/bottom pair (or in some cases K high lol) is good.
    Posted by Lambert180

    I remember it well.......


     
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    Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester) : I was playing live cash at UKIPT Bristol a few years back. I had £105 back including £1 on top of my cards to protect them. Pushed my stack in on the river (Pot was like £110ish), forgot the £1 chip on top of my cards and tried to throw it in. Old guy not even in the hand starts pointing at my £1 chip like "STRING BET!!! STRING BET!!!", which it obviously was. So I apologise and place my £1 back on top of my cards. I knew the rule but it didn't stop me spending the next orbit getting lectured about the string betting rules by this old bloke, then him constantly making string bet and online player jokes the rest of the night, which was rather tedious.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    Ha, great story.

    I'm not quite sure which is the dafter - the rule, or the fact that ALWAYS, every chuffing time, everyone jumps up and shouts STRING BET.

     
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    Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    i mentioned this in a previous thread for a live UKPC and its nothing to do with playing , if you take a friend(s)/partner make sure they take ID so that they can get into the casino , the palava i had with the missus cuz she didn,t have adequate ID at DTD worked out in the end tho
    Posted by stokefc
    As far as I am aware, Manchester235 does NOT require ID to enable you enter.

    In fact no Licensed Casino HAS to, but most insist you do. Usually so they can capture your e-mail details to spam you, that sort of thing.

    You coming up Stokey? Be great to see you mate.   
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    Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017


    Your Chip Stack

    One of the replies above reminded me of this, which is very important.

    ALL your chips must be clearly visible to the other players at all times.
     
    Specifically, your "big" chips must be at the FRONT or ON TOP of your stack, so that everyone can see them.

    You cannot hide the big chips at the back or under your stack.

    It's cheating if you "hide" your big chips. I know several "name" players who do it all the time, but I'd hope we don't see that sort of nonsense next week.  

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    unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester) : As far as I am aware, Manchester235 does NOT require ID to enable you enter. In fact no Licensed Casino HAS to, but most insist you do. Usually so they can capture your e-mail details to spam you, that sort of thing. You coming up Stokey? Be great to see you mate.   
    Posted by Tikay10
    im in London that w/e unfortunaly :( will try to get to the next one , Manchester would of been ideal for me too 
    i hope everybody has a great time , harry ftw :)
    Edit: if he,s playing it that is
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    Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017

    Asking the dealer the pot size - this was correctly answered by several respondents.

    Note, though, that that rule only applies to No Limit games.

    In Pot Limit games (be they Hold Em or Omaha variants) the Dealer IS required to tell you the pot size if you ask.
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    unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester) : As far as I am aware, Manchester235 does NOT require ID to enable you enter. In fact no Licensed Casino HAS to, but most insist you do. Usually so they can capture your e-mail details to spam you, that sort of thing. You coming up Stokey? Be great to see you mate.   
    Posted by Tikay10

    I have been told that any payouts over £500 require I.D.

    So it's best to have it.

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    Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester) : I have been told that any payouts over £500 require I.D. So it's best to have it.
    Posted by mumsie
    Yes, that makes sense.
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    craigcu12craigcu12
    edited July 2017
    will someone come and ask players for a drink or will I need to go to the bar myself?
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    unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    will someone come and ask players for a drink or will I need to go to the bar myself?
    Posted by craigcu12


    Would you like a drink Craig ?

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    hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    will someone come and ask players for a drink or will I need to go to the bar myself?
    Posted by craigcu12

    Finally, an important question!

    Guessing they will have servers and valets, but this will be my first time in this particular casino so can't say for definite.

    Some excellent tips and assistance. Just enjoy it though, if its your first time it might take an orbit or 2 to feel relaxed but it will soon become 2nd nature. And don't worry if you do make an etiquette error, can happen to even the most experienced live players.

    Stoke, I'm not playing but I'm going over on Friday to have a beverage or 2 and see some friends.
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    Jac35Jac35
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester) : Finally, an important question! Guessing they will have servers and valets, but this will be my first time in this particular casino so can't say for definite. Some excellent tips and assistance. Just enjoy it though, if its your first time it might take an orbit or 2 to feel relaxed but it will soon become 2nd nature. And don't worry if you do make an etiquette error, can happen to even the most experienced live players. Stoke, I'm not playing but I'm going over on Friday to have a beverage or 2 and see some friends.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    Call
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    EnutEnut
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester) : Call
    Posted by Jac35
    I wondered who would pick up on the blatant brag post.
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    craigcu12craigcu12
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester) : Would you like a drink Craig ?
    Posted by mumsie

    would I ever, now I can be a chocoholic and still safe from diabetes.
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    craigcu12craigcu12
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester) : Yes, a bad error by the dealer, but the primary blame sits with the player. If she had protected her hand it would never have happened, so she has to accept the responsibility for the error.
    Posted by Tikay10
    If you want to know a really bad dealer then here's one.

    I myself bet 20bb on the turn, a player min raised then a second player shoves his short stack 35bb. I then decides to min reraise to 60bb  and the other raiser goes all in. This is where things get interesting.

    Rather than allow me to make a decision on whether or not to put other 120BB worth of chips into the middle he assumed from my face that I was going to call therefore dealing the river card before I've actually put the rest of my chips into the pot. Once the hands are revealed myself and the other raiser get into an arguement, stating that I should give him the other 120BB worth of chips I have whilst I'm arguing that I thought his all in matched my current bet and I wouldn't have called. The dealer himself tells me he could see from my grin that I was going to call that's why he dealt the river card.

    The manager was brought over and sorted it out stating the only chips the opponent can win are chips already in the middle. The opponent himself was still annoyed stating my hand was a set and therefore would have called anyday but it's the dealers fault really because he shouldn't have dealt the river card until the final call or fold is made.
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    wynne1938wynne1938
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    A Bet and a Raise are different things So many folks get confused by this. If you are first to act, you can fold, call or bet, but you cannot raise - you are BETTING. This is not a raise, it's a bet. If the next player wants to re-raise, this is a RAISE not a bet.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Hi Tikay,this is new to me.
    If I am first to bet and I want to bet more than the big blind,I have always said "RAISE" and nobody has ever corrected me.
    Thanks for the tip.
    We live and learn,look forward to meeting you again at an SPT.
    Good old times.
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    wynne1938wynne1938
    edited July 2017
    Some information I would like to share with all who are going there for the first time,like myself!

    Manchester Main Reception (MRF1) <Reception@Manchester235.com> Good Morning Mr Gibson, From Manchester Piccadilly train station to our casino is about 20 min walk or a 5 to 10 Minutes taxi ride, our main taxi firm is Street Cars (01612287878). Manchester235 operates an open door policy however we do enforce a challenge 21 Policy i.e. anyone aged 18 to 21 must produce valid ID such as Passport or Driving Licence and sign up for our Total Rewards Scheme. Failure to provide ID when challenged will result in refused entry. There are many benefits to joining our Total Rewar
    4 Jul at 7:34 AM

    Good Morning Mr Gibson,

     

    From Manchester Piccadilly train station to our casino is about 20 min walk or a 5 to 10 Minutes taxi ride, our main taxi firm is Street Cars (01612287878). Manchester235 operates an open door policy however we do enforce a challenge 21 Policy i.e. anyone aged 18 to 21 must produce valid ID such as Passport or Driving Licence and sign up for our Total Rewards Scheme. Failure to provide ID when challenged will result in refused entry. 

     

    There are many benefits to joining our Total Rewards Scheme. To join you would have to provide valid photographic ID such as Passport or Driving Licence. Our friendly reception team will then sign you up. On the day you join, you will receive a welcome voucher which entitles you to a free drink valid for the day you join and a free £5 bet voucher valid for your second visit.

     

    As for hotels close the Casino:-

     

    Radisson Blu Edwardian Manchester

    The Midland

    Hilton Manchester Deansgate Premier Inn,innside Manchester  Hotels Closer to the train Station :- Macdonalds Manchester Hotel & SpaStaycity AparthotelsMotel OneDouble Tree by the HiltonAbode Hotel  I Have also added some additional information regarding our Casino.
     
    Dress Code
    Manchester235 dress code is smart casual.
    Unfortunately we cannot allow tracksuit bottoms, football shirts, sports shorts, work clothes.
    We also kindly ask that you leave any long coats, umbrellas and bags at our cloak room.
     
    Free Car Parking
    Car parking is free for all Total Reward card holders at both the NCP Great Northern car parks. Simply take your car park ticket to reception when you come in and the cash desk will validate this as you leave. This offer is only valid for time spent enjoying our facilities. T&Cs apply.
     
    We look  forward to seen you in August.

     

    Kind regards,

    Caroline
    Customer Service Team

    Manch235ter Casino
    2 Watson Street
    Manchester
    M3 4LP.
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    percival09percival09
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    Some information I would like to share with all who are going there for the first time,like myself! Manchester Main Reception (MRF1) <Reception@Manchester235.com /> Good Morning Mr Gibson, From Manchester Piccadilly train station to our casino is about 20 min walk or a 5 to 10 Minutes taxi ride, our main taxi firm is Street Cars (01612287878). Manchester235 operates an open door policy however we do enforce a challenge 21 Policy i.e. anyone aged 18 to 21 must produce valid ID such as Passport or Driving Licence and sign up for our Total Rewards Scheme. Failure to provide ID when challenged will result in refused entry. There are many benefits to joining our Total Rewar To wynne.gibson@sky.com 4 Jul at 7:34 AM Good Morning Mr Gibson,   From Manchester Piccadilly train station to our casino is about 20 min walk or a 5 to 10 Minutes taxi ride, our main taxi firm is Street Cars (01612287878). Manchester235 operates an open door policy however we do enforce a challenge 21 Policy i.e. anyone aged 18 to 21 must produce valid ID such as Passport or Driving Licence and sign up for our Total Rewards Scheme. Failure to provide ID when challenged will result in refused entry.    There are many benefits to joining our Total Rewards Scheme. To join you would have to provide valid photographic ID such as Passport or Driving Licence. Our friendly reception team will then sign you up. On the day you join, you will receive a welcome voucher which entitles you to a free drink valid for the day you join and a free £5 bet voucher valid for your second visit.   As for hotels close the Casino:-   Radisson Blu Edwardian Manchester The Midland Hilton Manchester Deansgate Premier Inn, innside Manchester   Hotels Closer to the train Station :-   Macdonalds Manchester Hotel & Spa Staycity Aparthotels Motel One Double Tree by the Hilton Abode Hotel   I Have also added some additional information regarding our Casino.   Dress Code Manchester235 dress code is smart casual. Unfortunately we cannot allow tracksuit bottoms, football shirts, sports shorts, work clothes. We also kindly ask that you leave any long coats, umbrellas and bags at our cloak room.   Free Car Parking Car parking is free for all Total Reward card holders at both the NCP Great Northern car parks. Simply take your car park ticket to reception when you come in and the cash desk will validate this as you leave. This offer is only valid for time spent enjoying our facilities. T&Cs apply.   We look  forward to seen you in August.   Kind regards, Caroline Customer Service Team Manch235ter Casino 2 Watson Street Manchester M3 4LP.
    Posted by wynne1938
    Batesy, stick some trousers on.

    In all seriousness, my work clothes are my life clothes. Or do they mean proper work? 
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    MattBatesMattBates
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    Your Chip Stack One of the replies above reminded me of this, which is very important. ALL your chips must be clearly visible to the other players at all times.   Specifically, your "big" chips must be at the FRONT or ON TOP of your stack, so that everyone can see them. You cannot hide the big chips at the back or under your stack. It's cheating if you "hide" your big chips. I know several "name" players who do it all the time, but I'd hope we don't see that sort of nonsense next week.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    What about if you are left handed?
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    cpfc_2010cpfc_2010
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester) : What about if you are left handed?
    Posted by MattBates
    Very subtle Mr Bates, I've always thought Torelli come across a little shady, In the instance you're referring to I'm definite it was an angle.
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    Tikay10Tikay10
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester):
    In Response to Re: Hints & tips for those who have not played "Live" before. (SPT Manchester) : Very subtle Mr Bates, I've always thought Torelli come across a little shady, In the instance you're referring to I'm definite it was an angle.
    Posted by cpfc_2010
    Angle? I'd call it cheating.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HpSRXssFqo
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