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Pretending to be "away"
I have just come out of a DYM £11 buy in, where two players pretended to be away on several occasions and waited until people had made their move then suddenly became active when it was their turn.
I feel this is totally wrong, but what do you all think ??
1st guy doing this went out 1st, but the 2nd guy went on to knock out the two other people fair enough i cashed, but he was away when the 2nd player to leave was short stacked and went all in to a guys bb who was "away".
so ultimately is this against the rules or just bad etiquette ??
I feel this is totally wrong, but what do you all think ??
1st guy doing this went out 1st, but the 2nd guy went on to knock out the two other people fair enough i cashed, but he was away when the 2nd player to leave was short stacked and went all in to a guys bb who was "away".
so ultimately is this against the rules or just bad etiquette ??
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you got the link to that thread ? because i'd like a read.
If it's not against the rules (it's not)... then you is if you find it advantageous.
i understand that being away/sitting out is part of the game.
my point was the pretending to be away and then acting, i mean tbh it did kind of effect my play but was just me wanting to knock out the guy playing the hands like this etc.
one person, said well done to the guy doing the "pretending" for what i saw as pretending to catch the shortys all in and called to knock him out.
the guy who said "well done" was the player who he knocked out next.
I have nothing against players who sit out/ away status, but i do have a problem with people playing in the way to trick people into thinking they are away, when they are their waiting and trying to catch others.
I couldn't do something like that, i'd feel like i was being dishonest.
I'd feel it's like cheating and tbh i would say would mark me as dishonest and unhonorable player.
surely you can see what i mean ??
Pretending to be away is exactly the same as bluffing someone.
pretending to be away is like saying, i am not taking part in this hand so go ahead do what you want.... oh wait i have AA i am going take you all the way.
it's not that i am "too nice" i just feel playing fair and by fair i mean using fairplay and not rubbing people up the wrong way etc.
most people will accept a bluff raise, but how many would be happy about someone calling over an over when by all means are not meant to be there.
and rightly so
I have come across this practice as well and used to think it is bad etiquette but on reflection if a player is away you would quite happily raise with anything to steal it (is that etiquette), so I think it works both ways you will steal it if thay are away but then they are entitled to jump back in if they have a hand and perhaps resteal,
poker has so much to offer it is fantastic and thats why we play
On a more serious note i get frozen out a lot due to the poor quality of my dongle lol. It says i am 'away' and i am left looking at my hole cards and cant bet, which if they are good i am frantically trying to get my connection back and sometimes if i manage it its a split second away from auto folding me and i catch it right in the nick of time. When this happens it is genuine and i wouldn't like other players to think that i was employing this kind of sneaky tactic.
If someone does it deliberately then i suppose its legal but imo diiiirty.
To clarify what happens in Live Poker.
There are no univeral rules, but in almost ALL reputable establishments a players hand is deemed to be dead if.....
a) He is not seated when the hand is dealt.
b) If he leaves the table at any point during the hand.
Online, of course, this does not apply, & players can legitimately absent themselves & re-appear as they wish.
why pretend to be away, your on the site to play poker because you like to play poker, unless your one of the big hitters who actually make good money out of playing poker,the rest of us are probably just here cos we just like to play the game,if doubling up is so important to you go on the roulette tables and pick red or black, players sitting out in DYM games does actually spoil my enjoyment of the game im in whether i win or lose.
Enjoy your game and allow others to play using whatever strategy the decide..... The trick is to play your own strategy to counteract whatever the other players on the tables are doing, The game is about adjustment so if you think someone is sitting out to trap the min raise don't shove, that way you can walk away if they come over the top of you
i understand the genuine aways like drinks/food/toilets etc,its the ones who are out from the start then keep popping up shoving all in then sitting out again,so you dont know when they are there or not, or the type of hands they play,like i said i play for the enjoyment of the game,if i was that desperate to only win money i would try and find a game i was good at,haha.
To be honest though, the software needs a re-write so that the away hands are folded at the outset of the hand. Much fairer to everyone.
As you say, the tactic of min-raising and folding if you get resistance is a simple and effective method of combating this style of play.
If "away hands" were folded at the outset of each hand people would just click "back" after every hand and time would be lost in the game since the clock would be likely to run down when they fold instead of the "insta-fold" that you get when they are away from the table.
In terms of game play there is no difference between people being "away" and only clicking "back" when they have a hand and a tight player being present at the table and folding the vast majority of his hands in the early stages of a game. This is deemed good strategy by many successful STT players.
Since they are saving game time by not deliberating over each hand before folding many people would prefer these types of opponents.
Next case.