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serious advice

edited March 2010 in Poker Chat

when reading the thread that DTW started it got me thinking about my cash game and mtt game, now everyone knows i just love my sit and go's, but i decided to take my cash game and mtt game to the next level, so played a few cash games on the 2/4 p levels and was both profitable sessions but if i am honest i dont think cash is the best way forward for me, so today decided to enter for the £3.30 £50 GTD, 36 entries so prize money of around £108, just finished the tournament and to be honest i have hacked to the win, suffered one bad beat when my AQ got cracked by A8 when we were 3 handed but all in all i thought it was pretty easy, so decided to check my stats on sharkscope and am very surprised that they look ok (i think) i am now totally thinking about leaving the stt's behind and may just concentrate on mtt's. are these stats good enough for me to cope in the mtt's? you can see that i am not a big spender and cant afford to play the big tournaments on sky so will only be playing the low levels around the £5 and £10 mark. shall i gibve this a serious shot or stick to what i am good at on the DYM?

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  • edited March 2010
    MTTS are the hardest part of poker by a country mile.The variance in these tournys is huge to say the least especially if it has runners of several hundred.I know you are not a fan of me but i play cash to finance my tournament play and it works for me.All the best and a nice win mate.dav
  • edited March 2010
    i think at least 3 of the main events are a tenner to play webby......

    My attitude is if you are a good player, no matter what discipline, u will be a good player at them all (HU being the exception as its a specialist game)

    I wouldn't give up on cash - u shudnt be playing nl4 either ur better than that - get on nl20/30 and play some proper stuff.

    gl, DOHH

  • edited March 2010
    thanks dav, maybe i should play DYM to finance my mtt play?
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: serious advice:
    thanks dav, maybe i should play DYM to finance my mtt play?
    Posted by webby234
    YES for defo cause you know you are very good at these also as dohhhhhhh says do noy give up on cash.dav
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: serious advice:
    i think at least 3 of the main events are a tenner to play webby...... My attitude is if you are a good player, no matter what discipline, u will be a good player at them all (HU being the exception as its a specialist game) I wouldn't give up on cash - u shudnt be playing nl4 either ur better than that - get on nl20/30 and play some proper stuff. gl, DOHH
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    i was referring to the primo and the 4k deepstack that i cant afford to play regularly dohh but would love the chance. a couple of years ago on skypoker i played on the £1.50/£3 tables, never again though, knowing you could lose £500 in one hand was a bit too crazy for me, the crazy thing was at the time i was a bit superstitious and felt invincible at night time but shocking through the day, 3 days on the trot i lost £250 through the day but won £500 through the night lol, i had no cares in the world then so was crazy, now have a family so playing cash just isnt the right game for me at this moment. am gonna take a break from the stt's and concentrate on my mtt's, hopefully it will pay off, change is good?
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: serious advice:
    In Response to Re: serious advice : i was referring to the primo and the 4k deepstack that i cant afford to play regularly dohh but would love the chance. a couple of years ago on skypoker i played on the £1.50/£3 tables, never again though, knowing you could lose £500 in one hand was a bit too crazy for me, the crazy thing was at the time i was a bit superstitious and felt invincible at night time but shocking through the day, 3 days on the trot i lost £250 through the day but won £500 through the night lol, i had no cares in the world then so was crazy, now have a family so playing cash just isnt the right game for me at this moment. am gonna take a break from the stt's and concentrate on my mtt's, hopefully it will pay off, change is good?
    Posted by webby234
    Can see where ure coming from with nasty losses like that and totally respect you have a family to look after (got 4 myself 3yrs,5yrs,15 yrs and my eldest 22yrs old).I still feel though bankroll permitting you are defo at the level of at least 15/30.dav
  • edited March 2010
    U obviously know what you are doing webby, as dohhhhhhh says, you could easily play NL20 or NL30.

    As you are a successful dym player i would say play those to make money, and use them to finance the mtt's.

    It is very tough to solely earn a decent amount from mtt's as someone mentioned above due to variance, but when you do have a nice win like the one u mention above its a huge boost to your bankroll.

    So if your dyms gives you guaranteed profit, you can use this to fund your mtt's without your bankroll dwindilling and adding pressure on you to get that big result if this was your only poker income.
  • edited March 2010

    i think the key here webby is the variance,you proberly well capable of playing mtts but you can go 10,20 even 30 mtts without having a sniff of the cash,then you can cash in say 3 or 4 outta ten and everything looks rosy.what i do is play cash,get so your not a losing player(which you will)build your BR up so when the variance kicks in on your mtts it don,t affect you or your mindset then when you hit a hot streak it will start to show in your BR.thats my view anyway m8 gl in your play

    EDIT:dammit dan got there before me

  • edited March 2010
    yes....im not talking 300 quid webby! haha! I bet if u played 2 tables at nl20 even if u got kk v aa first hand on one of them and bust, ud still break even. Cash is really slow and steady, and with ur DYM background, I cant see you making too many mistakes. 

    I play wellllll below my broll in cash, because its easier to make money. Why make it hard for yourself? - go where the money is at.....

    The double stack on Weds, the open on Tuesday and the BH on Mon re all £10 to enter I think...and maybe even the open on sat? Im not sure....The doublestak on fri is £16....so just play a £5 dym half hour before it starts then that pays for itself too. 

    Neway gl with it, cya on NL20 tomorrow afternoon ;)

    DOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
  • edited March 2010
    If you want a big win from a small amount then MTT's are the only way to go. If you play tight most MTTs on here are pretty easy to cash and win as long as your running good. You need to play for the win though, like i said to some1 on the strategy section if you win a tournament its around 20 buyins worth of prize, so winning an MTT will pay for your next 20 tournaments rather than limping into the cash and getting your buyin back or paying for 1 more tournament
  • edited March 2010
    thanks for all the advice and comments guys, i know that mtt wins are gonna be few and far between but hopefully some cashes along the way and i can be successful at it, am thinking of playing the 8 o clock tournie tonight, gonna check the entry fee and hopefully i can enter and do ok. in the mean time may try the cash level dohhhh suggested
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: serious advice:
    thanks for all the advice and comments guys, i know that mtt wins are gonna be few and far between but hopefully some cashes along the way and i can be successful at it, am thinking of playing the 8 o clock tournie tonight, gonna check the entry fee and hopefully i can enter and do ok. in the mean time may try the cash level dohhhh suggested
    Posted by webby234
    lol its £22 2nite m8, give it a miss til its £11.
  • edited March 2010
    lol £22 buy in for the 12k bounty hunter, am seriously thinking about entering this because i generally take a couple of heads and get at least my money back!!

    lets go for it i am in, innit!!!!
  • edited March 2010
    well 53 minutes in andf crashed out, was upto 3k early on but lost a big pot with the horrible AK, have emailed the show so hopefully they can show, its still doing my nut in now
  • edited March 2010
    post the hand on here... i was trying to rail you but my internet was being c rappy and then you had busted out :(
  • edited March 2010
    karlluke Small blind   15.00 15.00 2682.50
    charlsef Big blind   30.00 45.00 1815.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
         
    HAYSIE Raise   90.00 135.00 2635.00
    zomg Call   90.00 225.00 1380.00
    AIRWAVE Fold        
    webby234 Raise   360.00 585.00 2520.00
    karlluke Fold        
    charlsef Fold        
    HAYSIE Fold        
    zomg Call   270.00 855.00 1110.00
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 7
    • 4
         
    zomg Check        
    webby234 Bet   480.00 1335.00 2040.00
    zomg All-in   1110.00 2445.00 0.00
    webby234 Fold        
    zomg Muck        
    zomg Win   2445.00   2445.00
  • edited March 2010
    ida called that, pot commited imo,poss 6 outs b/d st8 in a b/h anyway
  • edited March 2010
    i was so close to calling but think he had a small set, decided to keep the 600 and put it to good use, that backfired lol
  • edited March 2010
    like you say webby, its feel and you felt you were beat. had to fold. bigish pair i reckon
  • edited March 2010
    webby you c bet 56% of the pot... that looks very weak imo on that sort of flop... although you are probably beat, you did open yourself up to the check raise bluff by advertising your weakness. I don't know how you could contemplate calling with just 2 overs though... you have 44.5BBs left!!!
  • edited March 2010
    its a bounty hunter blackfish, tend  to play different, he was small stack, if he had qq or kk i think he shoves them in pre flop, must have had 777 or 444 imo or a worse ace and got lucky, nothing wrong with the bet after flop
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: serious advice:
    its a bounty hunter blackfish, tend  to play different, he was small stack, if he had qq or kk i think he shoves them in pre flop, must have had 777 or 444 imo or a worse ace and got lucky, nothing wrong with the bet after flop
    Posted by webby234
    yes there was... it was too small imo... you do that to me and i find it difficult not to shove you.
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: serious advice:
    webby you c bet 56% of the pot... that looks very weak imo on that sort of flop... although you are probably beat, you did open yourself up to the check raise bluff by advertising your weakness. I don't know how you could contemplate calling with just 2 overs though... you have 44.5BBs left!!!
    Posted by BlackFish3
    yeah but them 44.5 bbs dont look that good when somebody is shoving every other hand imho
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: serious advice:
    In Response to Re: serious advice : yeah but them 44.5 bbs dont look that good when somebody is shoving every other hand imho
    Posted by stokefc
    I would love to have someone shoving every hand on my table... with 44BBs you have soooo much time to wait for a hand to call them with, just gota be patient. When you get below 20BBs it starts to go downhill imo... anything over that and there is no need to worry.
  • edited March 2010
    blackfish give over now mate, with the bet i put in i defo got the information i needed, he only had 1100, so when he shoves the lot in i now know i am behind, never realised you were a mtt expert though mate, well done
  • edited March 2010
    I think your oppo definatly had a big part of that. I have to disagree with you here blackfish m8. If the pot is 800ish and he has 1100 left, there is no way an check raise is a bluff, he would be expecting webby to bet around 600 which then commits him to having to call the 1100 shove. If oppo bets out on flop he has a risk of losing his opponent if he hasn't hit, so to me it looks like he has left the rope there for webby to hang himself.... That being said, the 1/2 pot bet is good because its 1/3 of your oppo's stack to call and there is no way he can call without a big hand... Think you both played it right.
  • edited March 2010
    Webby, playing mtts has huge fluctuations in win/lose ratios. Like you I'm married with a job and (here comes the scary bit) kids. I don't play cash for two reasons. 1. It's very time consuming. 2. I'm rubbish at cash. If you want to have an interest that might be profitable as well as enjoyable then mtt's are great, and as you say the returns for a relatively small outlay can be huge. If you want to make a living from your poker then forget mtts.

    I don't have the time, commitment or ability to make a living at poker so I enjoy my nightly mtts. You need to determine first of all what you want from poker. If, as with me, it's something to run second to your family etc. then mtts are fine. Making a living means playing predominantly cash and takes a massive amount of dedication and commitment.

    From what I've seen, you have a lot of ability, you just need to decide what you want from that ability.
  • edited March 2010
    May I ask a foolish Question,  Why change the habit of a life time I hear you say.

    When you guys are talking about "NL20"  or "NL30",  what value are you talking about here.  are you taking about tables with BB of 20p or 30p  OR  £20 or £30.  I am assuming the former but just wanted to check.  I see a lot of posts talking about, for example NL30, and just wanted to be clear about it

    Hope this isn't too stupid.

    Cheers
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: serious advice:
    May I ask a foolish Question,  Why change the habit of a life time I hear you say. When you guys are talking about "NL20"  or "NL30",  what value are you talking about here.  are you taking about tables with BB of 20p or 30p  OR  £20 or £30.  I am assuming the former but just wanted to check.  I see a lot of posts talking about, for example NL30, and just wanted to be clear about it Hope this isn't too stupid. Cheers
    Posted by JockBMW
    Assuming some1 sits with the maximum every time then that means what the table sitdown is... i.e NL30 = 15p/30 as max sitdown is £30 NL = No Limit I presume
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: serious advice:
    May I ask a foolish Question,  Why change the habit of a life time I hear you say. When you guys are talking about "NL20"  or "NL30",  what value are you talking about here.  are you taking about tables with BB of 20p or 30p  OR  £20 or £30.  I am assuming the former but just wanted to check.  I see a lot of posts talking about, for example NL30, and just wanted to be clear about it Hope this isn't too stupid. Cheers
    Posted by JockBMW
    Not stupid at all.
    NL30 has a BB of 30p on this site.

    The slight problem when comparing with posts on other forums about levels is that generally the standard unit of currency is US$ as opposed to pounds sterling so Sky Poker levels are not quite the same as other sites.
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