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RAKE FREE POKER

crow01crow01
edited March 2010 in Poker Chat
joined a competitors site recently because they had really easy 100 euro freerolls with only 100 entrants and at least half of them were "away", after grinding the tables for a bit, it was time to make my withdrawel (i didnt realise at this time it was rake free lol). and what they did was take 10% of my withdrawel for their fees.

has anyone had a similar experience?

thoughts on rake free poker?

also read on another forum skypoker may offer rakeback deals soon.....
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s
    edited March 2010
    This sounds awful, Lets say they did that here. That would mean that i enter the open and instead of paying £11 (10 + 1 for the rake) I pay £10. I then go on to win £2k in it and upon withdrawing my £2k i pay £200 for a "Processing Fee"????

    I don't know what other peoples opinion on this is and i don't personally know the site but my advice is don't ever, ever, ever deposit any money here and get anything you have won off the site asap

    I wouldn't trust this as far as i could throw a small cow
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2010

    Really, Mr Crow, you should know that there is no such thing as "rake-free poker". Equally, there is no such thing in these "networked skins" as "ring-fenced" players money. Trust me, I know, & I can prove it.

    Stick to sites you can trust, if you go chasing dreams, you will find their promises are hollow, & you'll get bitten.

    The provision of poker is never free.
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  • crow01crow01
    edited March 2010
    well they dont have tournaments over 300 euro garaunteed, and i have never seen more than 100 people sat at the tables at any 1 time.... it actualy tells you in the lobby lol.

    i dont know if i'm allowed to write the name of it....
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited March 2010
    isnt there a site that you dont pay rake at because they make money elsewhere? if you google it you can find it. ive nvr looked into it myself.
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    well they dont have tournaments over 300 euro garaunteed, and i have never seen more than 100 people sat at the tables at any 1 time.... it actualy tells you in the lobby lol. i dont know if i'm allowed to write the name of it....
    Posted by crow01
    let us know the name then i can avoid like the plague thanks
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    well they dont have tournaments over 300 euro garaunteed, and i have never seen more than 100 people sat at the tables at any 1 time.... it actualy tells you in the lobby lol. i dont know if i'm allowed to write the name of it....
    Posted by crow01

    Well what would be the point, with respect?

    Stick to reputable sites, those who don't will get fleeced. Sky Poker is reputable, & so are many others, & they all have well-known brand names.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER : let us know the name then i can avoid like the plague thanks
    Posted by spornybol
    It's easy. Avoid ANY site that offers unsustainable offers.

    If a Bank offers you 10% when Bank Rate is 5%, would you accept it? Or would you say "that's not possible, it must be a scam"?
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER : It's easy. Avoid ANY site that offers unsustainable offers. If a Bank offers you 10% when Bank Rate is 5%, would you accept it? Or would you say "that's not possible, it must be a scam"?
    Posted by Tikay10
    Come on Tikay, You know banks only ever take 10% not give lol
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER : It's easy. Avoid ANY site that offers unsustainable offers. If a Bank offers you 10% when Bank Rate is 5%, would you accept it? Or would you say "that's not possible, it must be a scam"?
    Posted by Tikay10
    i just stick with what i lke and thats sky, i go on other sites but only go on freeplay.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER : Come on Tikay, You know banks only ever take 10% not give lol
    Posted by ACESOVER8s
    Yup. Case proven. ;)

    It's just greed that gets people into these spots, when some two-bit site says "we offer up to 100% rakeback & a $5,000 sign-up bonus", we all know it's just not possible. I bet I could name 100 poker sites that have tried this. All have gone belly-up, no surprise there, the surprise is that players fall for it time & time again.

    You cannot buy a new Rolls-Royce or Bentley for £5,000, & if you do, you deserve all the grief you get!
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited March 2010
    it's not really greed to want the best deal out there. If i saw an offer for 100% rakeback and $5k sign up bonus i would definitely look into it... i wouldn't jump at it though because i would expect there to be some stringent terms, but definitely worth looking into. People say if its too good to be true then it probably is... imo thats a bit negative, this attitude may cause you to miss out on some brilliant opportunities, nothing wrong with simply enquiring into a deal etc. just have to be cautious.
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  • crow01crow01
    edited March 2010

    update!!!!!! upon requesting my withdrawel

    From: Support
    Subject: Multiple accounts
    Dear, *********

    We care about the safety of our players, so therefore we are conducting a random check of players. During the check we noticed that you have more than one playing account, which is in violation of ***raiser rules. Please send a scanned copy of your ID with your name and also the page with your address indicated. Until we are able to verify your identity, your playing account will be closed for all poker games.

    random eh? funny how it just happened to be when i made my withdrawel......
    oh and i only have 1 account....
    and yes i only tried this site for the freerolls, would never deposit here, oh and you can only withdraw through moneybookers, something smells fishy wishy
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    it's not really greed to want the best deal out there. If i saw an offer for 100% rakeback and $5k sign up bonus i would definitely look into it... i wouldn't jump at it though because i would expect there to be some stringent terms, but definitely worth looking into. People say if its too good to be true then it probably is... imo thats a bit negative, this attitude may cause you to miss out on some brilliant opportunities, nothing wrong with simply enquiring into a deal etc. just have to be cautious.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    No, no, no. No. No no. No.

    It's not negative, it's fact, based on experience. As recently as this year. And they will - can, & have - steal your deposits.

    You need to bear in mind something which I think you may have not taken into account.

    Most of the Sites which offer these unsustainable carrots are "regulated" in places like Belize, (where?) Mauritius, Antigua, & other such places where are completely beyond any reasonable legal jurisdiction. You have no legal redress, their offers are worthless, & then can scam you at will. And DO.

    But thry keep popping up, & gullible souls keep falling for it. It's very sad, but all I can do is warn people.

    Stick to reputable sites - & I'm not just saying Sky Poker, there are many. They do not offer unsustainable offers because it makes no sense, & is not do-able.

    Much of Internet Poker is un-regulated.

    I hope everybody understands that, but if they want to go the route you are suggesting, well gg them.
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  • NoseyBonkNoseyBonk
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER : Well what would be the point, with respect? Stick to reputable sites, those who don't will get fleeced. Sky Poker is reputable, & so are many others, & they all have well-known brand names.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Well except for the "fixed RnG / River Bad Beat Deliverer" which the regulators keep missing.... ;-)
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    update!!!!!! upon requesting my withdrawel From : Support Subject : Multiple accounts Dear, ********* We care about the safety of our players, so therefore we are conducting a random check of players. During the check we noticed that you have more than one playing account, which is in violation of ***raiser rules. Please send a scanned copy of your ID with your name and also the page with your address indicated. Until we are able to verify your identity, your playing account will be closed for all poker games. random eh? funny how it just happened to be when i made my withdrawel...... oh and i only have 1 account.... and yes i only tried this site for the freerolls, would never deposit here, oh and you can only withdraw through moneybookers, something smells fishy wishy
    Posted by crow01

    I give up!
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  • flushandoflushando
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    update!!!!!! upon requesting my withdrawel From : Support Subject : Multiple accounts Dear, ********* We care about the safety of our players, so therefore we are conducting a random check of players. During the check we noticed that you have more than one playing account, which is in violation of ***raiser rules. Please send a scanned copy of your ID with your name and also the page with your address indicated. Until we are able to verify your identity, your playing account will be closed for all poker games. random eh? funny how it just happened to be when i made my withdrawel...... oh and i only have 1 account.... and yes i only tried this site for the freerolls, would never deposit here, oh and you can only withdraw through moneybookers, something smells fishy wishy
    Posted by crow01
    sounds mad to me ha i played on a site that did the exact same asked me to send over id. I sent it bout four times and they kept sayin they hadnt recieved it which i new they had it went on for 3 weeks so good luck tryin to get ya money n when you do get off that site thats wot i did gl m8
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER : Well except for the "fixed RnG / River Bad Beat Deliverer" which the regulators keep missing.... ;-)
    Posted by NoseyBonk
    Lol, that's the extraordinary thing! Sky Poker is owned by a trusted brand like Sky, & is regulated to the hilt - & yet people still go to fly-by-night sites & are then surprised that they have been shafted!
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  • barnsiebarnsie
    edited March 2010
    to be fair its not unusual to request identification on the majority of sites these days (excluding sky)

    there are sites which are reputable and offer better rkback deals than sky do (presently) however you have to balance this with the fact these sites dont generally attract as many recreational players and are often table after table full of grinders playing tight abc poker.

    swings and roundabouts really
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  • crow01crow01
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    to be fair its not unusual to request identification on the majority of sites these days (excluding sky) there are sites which are reputable and offer better rkback deals than sky do (presently) however you have to balance this with the fact these sites dont generally attract as many recreational players and are often table after table full of grinders playing tight abc poker. swings and roundabouts really
    Posted by barnsie
    i havnt found one yet that you need to provide id before depositing lol
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  • barnsiebarnsie
    edited March 2010
    plenty of sportsbooks will require this now
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    to be fair its not unusual to request identification on the majority of sites these days (excluding sky) there are sites which are reputable and offer better rkback deals than sky do (presently) however you have to balance this with the fact these sites dont generally attract as many recreational players and are often table after table full of grinders playing tight abc poker. swings and roundabouts really
    Posted by barnsie
    Correct........but in this case, the Player never Deposited any money on the Site! (Thank God).
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  • crow01crow01
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    plenty of sportsbooks will require this now
    Posted by barnsie
    whats a sportsbook? betting exchange?
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  • 35suited35suited
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    to be fair its not unusual to request identification on the majority of sites these days (excluding sky) there are sites which are reputable and offer better rkback deals than sky do (presently) however you have to balance this with the fact these sites dont generally attract as many recreational players and are often table after table full of grinders playing tight abc poker. swings and roundabouts really
    Posted by barnsie
    Including sky, they asked me to photocopy both sides of my bank card and send it into them, as well as some other details
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  • crow01crow01
    edited March 2010
    here is what the site says about it....

    When players add funds to their gaming account ***Cruise covers any commissions charged by the payment system.

    During a withdrawal of funds from the gambling portal to third-party payments systems, a 10% house fee will be taken from the player's net winnings. There is no house fee on winnings from casino games that do not offer equal odds. Players can gamble for a long time on equal odds casino games and rake free poker, or make sports bets without any house fee. The house fee will only be charged on a withdrawal of net winnings.

    During a withdrawal of funds, first the sum of the deposit is returned, and then the winnings, from which a house fee will be taken.

    Example: a player makes a €100 deposit, wins €50 and then requests a withdrawal of €120. Under this scenario, the net winnings exceed the deposit by €20, i.e. a 10% house fee equals €2.

    confused.com

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  • barnsiebarnsie
    edited March 2010
    sorry i misread post ok fair to say before you deposited is a bit weird, however would have to be sent in the end anyway

    if anybody is in doubt to the validity of any of these sites there are a couple of sites that "rate" the sites on secureness e.t.c

    and as tikay says if it looks to good to be true it probably is
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    sorry i misread post ok fair to say before you deposited is a bit weird, however would have to be sent in the end anyway if anybody is in doubt to the validity of any of these sites there are a couple of sites that "rate" the sites on secureness e.t.c and as tikay says if it looks to good to be true it probably is
    Posted by barnsie
    THIS!
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    here is what the site says about it.... When players add funds to their gaming account ***Cruise covers any commissions charged by the payment system. During a withdrawal of funds from the gambling portal to third-party payments systems, a 10% house fee will be taken from the player's net winnings. There is no house fee on winnings from casino games that do not offer equal odds. Players can gamble for a long time on equal odds casino games and rake free poker, or make sports bets without any house fee. The house fee will only be charged on a withdrawal of net winnings. During a withdrawal of funds, first the sum of the deposit is returned, and then the winnings, from which a house fee will be taken. Example: a player makes a €100 deposit, wins €50 and then requests a withdrawal of €120. Under this scenario, the net winnings exceed the deposit by €20, i.e. a 10% house fee equals €2. confused.com
    Posted by crow01
    So.......................it is NOT Rake-Free Poker!
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  • crow01crow01
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER : So.......................it is NOT Rake-Free Poker!
    Posted by Tikay10
    yes and no.... i explained this on the first post :p
    you dont pay rake at the table, you pay a fee upon withdrawel

    either way they are still making the money....
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER:
    In Response to Re: RAKE FREE POKER : yes and no.... i explained this on the first post :p you dont pay rake at the table, you pay a fee upon withdrawel either way they are still making the money....
    Posted by crow01
    It does not matter WHAT you call it - Rake, "Commission" (lol!), or "skim". It comes to the same thing.

    You cannot get something for nothing in many things, & deffo not in Online poker. Most especially on a poker site "regulated" in Belize, or Mauritius.
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  • crow01crow01
    edited March 2010
    Our internet gambling portal is licensed by the government of the Netherland Antilles. ***Cruise uses software developed by Gamesys N.V. in cooperation with an international assortment of companies. In conjunction with the hardware random number generator, our online casino uses unique Randomness Control technology based on the SHA-256 algorithm (the Secure Hsh Algorithm family).

    netherland antilles and an assortment of companies lol, i wouldnt trust them with my piggy bank.....

    i have an account with probably 90% of the major poker rooms, and it is amazing how much free money i have had/made through bonuses

    the only ones to look out for are the "instant match" bonus', that you normaly need to earn a million points before a dollar of the bonus is released

    but there is a lot of free money out there.....
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